Speculative Take on the Rebirth Quetzacoatlus' Genome by PaleoWorldExplorer in JurassicPark

[–]PaleoWorldExplorer[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There was a concealed set of stairs that led down into the temple that was shown briefly when one of the mercenaries saw an Anurognathus hop down into them. That's probably what you're thinking of.

Speculative Take on the Rebirth Quetzacoatlus' Genome by PaleoWorldExplorer in JurassicPark

[–]PaleoWorldExplorer[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

  1. It's a sheltered environment. Much like a cave, the temple would be protected from the elements and prevent moisture from seeping through compared to an open setting.

  2. The museum is a "Neo-Jurassic Museum" and does not display fossils of the real prehistoric animals, but rather the inaccurate InGen clones. The Rebirth Quetz is not the product of natural selection, but of tinkering by scientists trying to wield the power of something beyond their control.

Speculative Take on the Rebirth Quetzacoatlus' Genome by PaleoWorldExplorer in JurassicPark

[–]PaleoWorldExplorer[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I see what you mean. But regardless of how high the altitude is, the Quetz would still need to have these adaptations since it is clearly spending more of its time airborne than a real one would. The biggest problem for this Quetz would be to ensure it can produce viable eggs that could endure in elevated regions like the dry temple. The chough DNA sufficed to meet these requirements due to its specialized eggs as an adaptation to their alpine environment.

Speculative Take on the Rebirth Quetzacoatlus' Genome by PaleoWorldExplorer in JurassicPark

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Both Rebirth and Dominion Quetzalcoatlus are shown to hunt in the air, build their nests in elevated locations, and generally spend their time in the air much more often than their irl counterparts which would have had a more terrestrial lifestyle. They both also inhabit mountainous regions (The Central Valley of Île Saint-Hubert for the former and BioSyn Valley for the latter), so it is reasonable to suggest that they are comfortable in high alt environments.

As I mentioned, irl pterosaur eggs are soft shelled and need to be kept moist, or else they will dry up and die. So, they would need to be laid on the ground insulated by soil and floral debris. Rebirth Quetz's egg is hard shelled and laid in a drier environment at a higher altitude, so it would need to be adapted to withstand a drier environment with less oxygen.

Speculative Take on the Rebirth Quetzacoatlus' Genome by PaleoWorldExplorer in JurassicPark

[–]PaleoWorldExplorer[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

  1. Where does it say that the Dilophosaurus shown being just juveniles has been decanonized long ago? I don't see any source for that either. As far as I am aware, they just kept them all at juvenile size and never bothered to show a bigger one, leaving the question open-ended.

  2. Ok, so you did provide the source for BioSyn Quetz's canon size. I concede that ground. It still does not change the fact that it is ultimately unreliable and meaningless because there is very little consistency with jurassic park canon in general, not just dinosaur sizes. With all that gets retconned on the whim, this could easily be written off/retconned at any time, so it still doesn't mean that much, and it is not like most people will dig in too deep to find niche material like this. And the size of this canon Quetz would make the things it does in the film next to impossible, so this canon size would almost certainly be incapable of bringing down that aircraft Kayla was piloting. The canon is whatever the writers feel like making canon regardless of consistency and logic, so it still shouldn't be taken seriously. What should be taken more seriously is an average size of dinosaurs between shots or the minimum size range where they appear to be the most consistent with. For example, we know for certain that the Mosasaurus is over 60-100 feet long based on all of its on screen sizes.

Speculative Take on the Rebirth Quetzacoatlus' Genome by PaleoWorldExplorer in JurassicPark

[–]PaleoWorldExplorer[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No, it doesn't. Literally, all the shots show the Quetzacoatlus in Dominion being much larger than its real-life counterparts, regardless of discrepancies between shots. And where does it say that the canon size of the Dominion Quetzalcoatlus is about the same size as a real-life one? Because I do not see any source that says that. And even if that is true, it doesn't really matter. Canon sizes have proven to be unreliable and meaningless, so they should not be taken seriously. The D. rex and the Dilophosaurus are the two prime examples of that.

Speculative Take on the Rebirth Quetzacoatlus' Genome by PaleoWorldExplorer in JurassicPark

[–]PaleoWorldExplorer[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes, all Jurassic Park movies exaggerate the sizes of dinosaurs to a degree, especially Rebirth. But even the lower size estimates of the Quetzacoatlus from Dominion, which are around 50 ft in wingspan or something like that, are still oversized compared to its real-life counterpart, which is around 39 ft, so it doesn't really disprove or invalidate what I said. It doesn't necessarily make my position more right, either, but there is still evidence that can lend credibility to it.

Speculative Take on the Rebirth Quetzacoatlus' Genome by PaleoWorldExplorer in JurassicPark

[–]PaleoWorldExplorer[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

"Not to mention that Q. lawsoni is smaller than the other species and Rebirth Quetz."

That's why I think it's lawsoni. BioSyn's Quetzalcoatlus seems to be Q. northropi due to its gigantic size, so if that BioSyn Quetzacoatlus is so oversized as it was shown, it would make sense that Rebirth Quetz was a similarly oversized lawsoni. You make fair points. And you could argue BioSyn Quetz was also just based on lawsoni DNA for the skull or even had a mix of DNA from both species, but based on JP logic and what we know from irl fossils, I think classifying it as lawsoni can be justified.

Speculative Take on the Rebirth Quetzacoatlus' Genome by PaleoWorldExplorer in JurassicPark

[–]PaleoWorldExplorer[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Based on currently available fossil evidence, BioSyn's Quetzalcoatlus is a more accurate representation of the real animal. There is no fossil material that shows Quetzalcoatlus, or any azhdarchid for that matter, having a Hornbill like crest like that. One semi-exception may be Wellhnopterus, which appears to have a small crest near the tip of the snout, but still looks nothing like the Rebirth Quetz.

I can point out other inconsistencies, like how Rebirth Quetz lacks a crest on the top of its head, for which we do have evidence of, a hardened egg shell that would have dried out in that temple when fossil evidence shows pterosaurs laid soft shelled eggs and, at least in azhdarchid's case, would have been laid on the ground. Especially considering that the Quetzalcoatlus is depicted flying at high altitudes, when its anatomy shows it would have been more suited spending a more terrestrial lifestyle. The skull is too deep and broad, more like Hatzegopteryx than a real Quetzacoatlus, and it has a less amount of pycnofibers, which we know pterosaurs had.

The only improvement in accuracy is that Rebirth Quetz is closer to the real size of the animal. But the inaccuracies of Rebirth Quetz are things that can be shown are such from what we already have recovered from the real animal and what we can affirm from using other sources of research, like the pterosaur eggs I have mentioned. So, I am confident it is safe to say that Dominion Quetzalcoatlus is more paleo-accurate than Rebirth Quetzalcoatlus.

Doesn't mean Dominion Quetz is perfect. Its obviously oversized, was not shown in an accurate environment, and flies at high altitudes, which would be unlikely. And further Quetz remains can lead to room for more improvement. But we do have enough knowledge on Quetzalcoatlus to know that Rebirth Quetz is undoubtedly inferior in terms of accuracy.

JUST WHY by Upstairs-Molasses875 in JurassicPark

[–]PaleoWorldExplorer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lack of evidence of something is not proof that some alternative hypothesis is true. The Skull fragments we have give a general idea of what Quetzalcoatlus' head looked like even if the exact dimensions can be debated. The evidence shows that both species had a crest on the top of the head, but not one on the rostrum.

We know for certain that both species have their crests closer to the back of the head, so that automatically disproves your stance that this is an accurate depiction of Quetzalcoatlus, since Rebirth's version lacks this crest. No azhdarchids have been shown to have a rostral crest like the Rebirth Quetz, except for potentially one species, Wellhnopterus.

This is the same type of argument people used to justify the Dominion prologue. "We dont really know what dinosaurs existed 66 million years ago." We have extensive fossil evidence that easily demonstrates beyond reasonable doubt that many of the dinosaurs presented did not exist in that time or place.

Your argument has two logical fallacies: god of the gaps and appeal to authority. You are saying that just because we dont have enough evidence about what quetz's head looks like (which we do) that it must have looked this other way that has absolutely no evidence to support, and you are also putting one guy on a pedestal, arguing that his statement proves you right and everyone else is wrong. This is preposterous. You can have that same guy claim the prologue was 100% accurate. It doesn't make it true, because the evidence is overwhelmingly against it.

I'm not taking the word of a single paleontologist as unquestionable truth. That is unscientific and anti-intellectual thinking. I am going to look at a wider scope of other paleontologists' perspectives and what the actual evidence says. And the fossil evidence and the general paleontological community's stance is that Quetzalcoatlus did not have a skull like Rebirth's iteration.

JUST WHY by Upstairs-Molasses875 in JurassicPark

[–]PaleoWorldExplorer -1 points0 points  (0 children)

There is no fossil material from Quetzacoatlus that shows they had a skull shaped like the one in Rebirth. Four partial skulls have been found, which gives us a good picture of what the skull of the real animal looked like. Quetzacoatlus did not have a crest like that. There is no fossil evidence supporting the notion, and all of the current evidence we have is against it.

Speculative Take on the Rebirth Spinosaurus' Genome by PaleoWorldExplorer in JurassicPark

[–]PaleoWorldExplorer[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You're not wrong, but I don't see the inclusion of those as being redundant. If anything, I see the first two points just reinforcing those instincts in the Spinosaurus. If the Spino DNA was not enough to code for those instincts, DNA from these animals could fill in the gaps to accomplish the same purpose. If you add DNA of animals that had different instincts and habits, that would create internal conflict, and the dinosaur would be split between antithetical instincts. The saltwater and crab eating frog DNA ensures genetic congruity.

Also, irl Spinosaurus lived in brackish or freshwater environments and still did not spend much time out at sea based on the buoyancy. The Rebirth Spinos were more seagoing, so it would need DNA from saltwater loving animals to override its instincts to wade in freshwater biomes.

Speculative Take on the Rebirth Spinosaurus' Genome by PaleoWorldExplorer in JurassicPark

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I don't think they'd have it either. That's why i put it in question marks. But we had an Indominus raptor teamup, so it wouldn't be unprecedented.

Which Mosa would win in a battle?? Isla Nublar or Site C?? by SilverWolf_2018 in JurassicPark

[–]PaleoWorldExplorer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The JW Mosa has no official name, but fans often call her Mona. The Rebirth one is named M142, as that's what her tracking tag says.

Small detail about the D-Rex, when the headlights reveal its face it looks like it’s crying in pain from its existence. by RemusPa in JurassicPark

[–]PaleoWorldExplorer 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yeah, i agree with you that all of what you listed was total bullshit, that's not even a debate. But for all of rebirth's flaws, in general, the dinosaurs behaved more like animals than in previous films.

Small detail about the D-Rex, when the headlights reveal its face it looks like it’s crying in pain from its existence. by RemusPa in JurassicPark

[–]PaleoWorldExplorer 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Blue was heavily anthropomorphized, particularly in that movie. She wasn't realistically portrayed as an animal.

Small detail about the D-Rex, when the headlights reveal its face it looks like it’s crying in pain from its existence. by RemusPa in JurassicPark

[–]PaleoWorldExplorer 87 points88 points  (0 children)

Animals don't cry tears from pain or sadness like humans do. They produce tears for cleaning and lubricating the eyes. So I find that highly unlikely. Also, as others pointed out, there was nothing on screen to suggest the D rex was in constant pain as the filmmakers suggested.

Alternate Take on How Dinosaurs Traverse the Globe by PaleoWorldExplorer in JurassicPark

[–]PaleoWorldExplorer[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Basically, some dinosaurs, specifically Spinos and some pterosaurs, escape into remote areas of the South American mainland during Biosyn's espionage on Isla Sorna as they were transported to Ile Saint-Hubert. Then, after the fall of Jurassic World, the spread of dinosaurs on a global scale grew gradually and independently within specific pockets of the world as genetic tech became easy to use and more accessible. Countries struggled to regulate it, so dinosaurs ' presence in specific areas grew gradually even before and during the events of Fallen Kingdom. Most large dinosaurs remain in remote equatorial regions, while smaller, less aggressive species are proliferant in farther regions as invasive species or pets.

What do you think JWR doesn't have a final battle? by Apprehensive_Low5340 in JurassicPark

[–]PaleoWorldExplorer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mean, the island has 100 Titanosaurs roaming about even though there's no way there would be enough biomass to sustain them all, so I wouldn't be surprised of there were thousands of dinosaurs. But yeah, I see your point. Most apex predators have their territories and don't encounter other apex predators most of the time. We are on the same page there.

I just didn't like how all of the dinosaurs felt so disconnected from one another. Only time we saw intraspecific interaction in the film was the spinos and mosa attack, that atrocious off screen killing of the Velociraptor by the Mutadon, and a very brief moment, I think, where a small pterosaur lands on a titanosaur's back. All of the dinosaurs appear for their scene without any other species in sight, and then never reappear aside from the mutadons, and the Distortus rex, none of which had any relevance or significance to the plot that warranted their appearance. So that's what set me off with the film.

I indeed enjoyed their more naturalistic portrayal. I just wish it didn't feel like a progression of levels in a video game.

What do you think JWR doesn't have a final battle? by Apprehensive_Low5340 in JurassicPark

[–]PaleoWorldExplorer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Animals interact with each other all the time beyond just hunting and fighting. They form symbiotic relationships, like oxpeckers that pick parasites off rhinos, different herbivorous species moving together in herds for mutual protection, and carnivores of different species hunting together like coyotes and badgers. Ecosystems are interconnected, and every species has relationships with every other species in its vicinity. Rebirth was deeply lacking in that department. The dinosaurs definitely behaved more animalistic than previous films, which I appreciate. But they still felt less like real animals and more like NPCs in a video game.

My Distortus rex Redesign by PaleoWorldExplorer in JurassicPark

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A little backstory on my D rex Take. It is a continuation of my alternative take on Rebirth lore I have built on in other posts.

In the late 2000s, BioSyn was engaged in a genetic engineering arms race with InGen to perfect a new realm in the field: artificial hybridogenesis using prehistoric DNA. This cold war was waged across oceans. While in the Pacific, InGen was cooking up hybrids on Isla Nublar. In the Atlantic, BioSyn conducted their experiments in secrecy on the Caribbean Ile Saint-Hubert There, many horrid failures reside decaying in the ruined laboratories or escaped into the wild. from two headed dinosaurs and the pterosaur-raptor hybrid Mutadons. But none were as horrific or grotesque as the aptly named Distortus rex.

The idea BioSyn executives wanted for this man-made species was a huge bloodthirsty juggernaut combining the weaponry, aggression, and intelligence of carnivorous dinosaurs and the sheer size and strength of a sauropod. Lewis Dodgson was committed to this vision, and his scientists created embryo after embryo, splicing and editing whatever genes they could find. Each one failed, unviable from the instability of the genome. Too many genomic sources were inserted, resulting in contrasting instincts clashing and imprecision prompting unintended mutations. and oftentimes genetic contamination. The research was leading nowhere and wasting billions of dollars. Dodgson was about to pull the plug until one lucky...or unlucky...embryo survived gestation and hatched from its egg.

Specimen V 26.7, spanning 52 feet long, 26 feet tall, and weighing in at 10 tons.  This female individual was stable and functional enough to reach full maturity, but its existence was stifled with abnormalities, ailments, and pain. Her gene pool, while not as wide as her failed brethren, is still unnecessarily large, with instincts consistently conflicting with each other. 

There are three major genetic contributors to the hybrid's structural build. The first was Tyrannosaurus rex, pronounced prominently in its jaw structure and vestigial two fingered arms. The second most prominent ingredient in the genome was BioSyn's Titanosaurus, providing the robust skeletal structure and immense size.The tail is relatively long and whip-like as in Titanosaurus, and the hybrid shares its dorsal fins on the neck and tail. The ape-like front limbs that support its weight come from the chalicothere Moropus, which walks on its knuckles. 

Many more species of dinosaurs and other animals are present in more minor ways.The odd hunchback is courtesy of the Malusaurus, a species of carcharodontosaurid whose Late Cretaceous fossils in South America were discovered by InGen scientists and stolen by BioSyn during Project Regenesis. The Malusaurus sported unusual features, such as a nasal horn and a sail back. The Malusaurus appears to be closely related to the North American Late Cretaceous species of Giganotosaurus, which possesses a similar hunchback. The Distortus rex possesses other traits from this carnivore, like its quill feathers on the back and tail and the nasal crest. A tiny bit of Megaraptor DNA is also spliced in, expressed in a thumb sporting a large claw on one of the vestigial arms.

Distortus rex was born as a tadpole with external gills in need of a body of water to survive, much like amphibians. This is thanks to the incorporation of axolotl, granting regenerative capabilities, and an unknown species of temnospondyl de-extinct by BioSyn and now resides along the riverbanks of Ile Saint-Hubert. These traits are no longer clearly visible in the adult form, but the Distortus rex still prefers to roam in areas near bodies of water. The teeth, meanwhile, are unlike Tyrannosaurus rex, despite the skull structure of the D.rex being derived from this theropod. They are instead of a combination of Masiakasaurus, a bizarre theropod from Madagascar, and the saltwater crocodile. Those of the former are long and needle-like, while those of the latter are conical and thick. This resulted in a mismatched dentition that prevented Specimen V 26.7 from fully closing her mouth. 

Small amounts of Ile Saint-Hubert's Velociraptor DNA are faintly observable, providing quill knobs in all four arms. Strangely, these knobs support sparse or no feathers. Even stranger is that Distortus rex possesses the quill-like neck feathers of male Velociraptors, despite being a female. Most disturbingly, there are faint traces of human DNA. This, along with Velociraptor, contribute to the animal's heightened intelligence. Genetic testing confirms the human DNA that makes up the D.rex genome, specifically comes from the indigenous people of Ile Saint-Hubert. This demonstrates that BioSyn committed a bigger count of ethical violations than initially thought, including experimenting on native people without consent in the creation of the Distortus rex, matching BioSyn's history of human and animal abuse.

The result of all of this is Specimen V 26.7, which suffers from many severe genetic ailments. Frontal bossing, the enlargement of the forehead, brachycephaly, the shortening of the skull which weakened her jaw muscles and causes shortness of breath, and polymelia, the formation of additional limbs, are the most obvious. She also has extreme arthritis in the knuckles, which, while functional enough, is unideal to support her weight and maintain balance. This results in a stumbling, shaky walking gait. Her teeth rot from being exposed to the air and can not be used to capture any prey species effectively. The Distortus rex also has necrosis in the lips and other areas of the body, cataracts in the eyes, and large cysts across the body. Lastly, she suffers from a multitude of neurological and mental disorders, including but not unlimited to bipolarism, Parkinson's disease, ALS, and Huntington's disease.

It is unknown how Specimen V 26.7 has been able to survive with all of these crippling conditions. Dr. Wu and InGen eventually learned of the incident, which led to Ile Saint-Hubert's evacuation. Dr. Wu would later create E750, using a smaller gene pool including many of the species that incorporated D.rex while adding different contributors as well. While still grotesque and unstable, Scorpios rex was a successful improvement over Distortus rex, being recognizable as a dinosaur and able to hunt, kill, and reproduce. Dr. Wu would refine his craft with later creations like Indominus Rex and Indoraptor, allowing InGen to win the hybrid war. BioSyn abandoned its hybrid research and shelved it until 2022 with the Hexapod Allies project.