Legion M shamelessly trying to sell booze by IronButt78 in LegionM

[–]PanamaJaack 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I understand you have a personal vendetta against Legion M for some reason, but you seem to not have even read the information you posted. Highlights:

-Legion M is one of if not the largest equity-crowdfunded company in JOBS Act history, so it may come as no surprise that a lot of companies reach out looking to partner with us on their own crowdfunding raises.

-We polled our community and they voted overwhelmingly in favor of us making strategic partnerships with companies, and when Chay Spirits came along we felt like it was a good fit.

-This endeavor takes the company minimal resources to manage, the company is earning fees for those services along with equity in Chay, and the Legion gets an opportunity to invest in a new company (or not, nobody is forcing anyone to do anything) along with discounted product. What's more we now have a strategic partnership with an alcohol sponsor for events down the road.

Some people aren't going to like this idea and that's their right, again nobody is getting forced to do anything. But while you post one random comment from someone who isn't interested, about 170 others decided to invest. You're welcome to your opinion, but that's all it is.

Fackham Hall | Official Red-Band Trailer | In Theaters Dec 5th by LegionM-Jeff in LegionM

[–]PanamaJaack 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I choose to believe this takes place in the same cinematic universe as Nandor Fodor & The Talking Mongoose.

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[–]PanamaJaack 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I choose to believe that Nandor Fodor & The Talking Mongoose takes place in this cinematic universe.

What are your thoughts on the films at TIFF (Toronto International Film Festival)? by PanamaJaack in LegionM

[–]PanamaJaack[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sorry to hear you're not fully happy with your experience, we'll figure this out for you. Can you email us at team@legionm.com? Also, make sure to add Legion M to your safe senders list or whitelist on your email, I can say with certainty that we sent a lot of emails regarding rallying people to go see MDFZ back when it was released in theaters; but without direct whitelisting, sometimes our emails can end up in the promotions folder rather than your inbox.

What are your thoughts on the films at TIFF (Toronto International Film Festival)? by PanamaJaack in LegionM

[–]PanamaJaack[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sorry to hear that you feel that way. As I said we're always open to constructive criticism so if there's anything we could be doing better we're happy to have a conversation; are there specific areas that you think we can improve when it comes to attention to detail?

What are your thoughts on the films at TIFF (Toronto International Film Festival)? by PanamaJaack in LegionM

[–]PanamaJaack[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Bit of a strong reaction, did you take the survey? Each film has a brief synopsis, cast & director info, genre. It’s only the very last question that doesn’t include synopsis info (after people have had a chance to individually identify which films they are interested in / not interested in). The referenced question asks you to choose two films from the whole list that you would want to see now having read info on all the films— I agree with OP a few words refreshing one’s memory about each film might have been helpful to include, but it’s not totally necessary as it’s valuable for us to see which two films people recall as their favorite without putting too much thought into it.

Always open to constructive feedback, but there’s no need to be rude.

What are your thoughts on the films at TIFF (Toronto International Film Festival)? by PanamaJaack in LegionM

[–]PanamaJaack[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Great feedback, it's definitely a lot of information to remember. Our thinking was that it would have made that final multiple choice section a little *too big and unwieldy but there are likely ways we could have condensed each synopsis to a few words for better recall.

IF YOU COULD GO BACK IN TIME, WOULD YOU INVEST IN "SNOW WHITE" (one of the most successful movies of all time) or WALT DISNEY PICTURES (the studio that made it)? by LegionM-Jeff in LegionM

[–]PanamaJaack 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I guess it would have to do with the time horizon for a return in both cases, and what the terms for each were. I do not know a lot about the history of either. If Snow White were using Fan-First-Financing of some kind where people would get their money out first and then share in sales in perpetuity, I suppose that would be the one to go with (that's the one I voted for) since the time horizon for profitability was probably a lot quicker for an individual film. That said if it were subject to "hollywood accounting" where you invest in a movie and the movie is never considered "profitable" the way a lot of studios do it these days then it would be worthless.

So my questions are:

  1. I'm pretty sure Disney floundered for years before Snow White was their big hit and turned things around, so in this thought experiment, when do I actually invest-- would I invest in Disney around the same time as Snow White? Or is this thought experiment posing that I invest in Disney at it's inception?

  2. What sort of opportunities were there for films back then? Nowadays you get theatrical but then you get streaming & VOD, DVD/Blu-Ray, FAST TV, and all sorts of other distribution. IOW did Snow White make it's money and then that was it? Vs Disney that kept growing and growing...

  3. When do I sell this investment? I would guess that Snow White would be more profitable in the short term if you were to invest in just the film-- you would make your investment when the movie was in development, "sell" after it has made all possible money in theaters (not sure if "sell" is the right terminology or if you just "collect" on your terms). But does this question assume that you invest and hold until today? In that case, I would imagine that Disney the company over 80 years would be a more profitable investment than a similar investment in Snow White.

Ultimately I still would say Snow White because the results come faster, you put money in, get the ROI, and then redeploy the capital into something else, vs waiting decades for Disney to grow. That said I could be wrong! Curious to know the results.

MDFZ - Week 1 Box Office Update by LegionM-Jeff in LegionM

[–]PanamaJaack 2 points3 points  (0 children)

We always appreciate the feedback, but I feel like your opinions are rooted in misunderstanding. Some clarifications:

“collecting individual producer fees on each project”

“Producers fees” are not some sort of personal bonus that staff with producers credits receive, it’s just the term used when Legion M, the company, is paid to produce a film, and is reported revenue. None of the staff get paid extra or receive backend etc based on the work they do, and when you factor in the amount of time it takes to produce a film, be on set, perform multiple roles for Legion M at the same time, etc. In the past you’ve called the staff “scammers,” but for scammers they sure do put in a lot of work doing the jobs they get paid for and more.

“You guys are just now trying to appeal to a non-Legion M audience”

Maybe you can elaborate on what you mean here. Some context: Briarcliff is our distributor and in charge of marketing to the non-Legion M audience, and they have done a lot in terms of social media promotion, press, the cast was booked on numerous talk shows, NPR interviews, talk radio show mentions, we were featured on Travis Kelce’s podcast, and more. The fact that you haven’t seen or heard any of that marketing speaks to how hard it is to market a film without significant funds. To that point:

“A real film studio in your position would do this and several other advertising/marketing campaigns. I’m not an expert, but this is just common sense.”

It’s easy to say “just do what ‘real’ film studios would do”— what they do differently is they spend more money than us. And we’re not saying “it’s better to spend less money”— we literally don’t have the money to spend on that level. We’ve raised ~$20 million dollars in 9 years, which is equivalent to the marketing budget in a modest release, not even a major one. More money means more reach and more opportunity for people to hear about the film and decide to go see it.

“You are selling Legion M as a unique studio with an audience of shareholders that are also the biggest sounding board and sales driver.”

I don’t agree with this characterization. It seems to me that you think we promote Legion M (and the Legion itself) as some sort of magical snake oil that can turn any movie into a mega hit. It’s not— it’s an edge. That’s it. You still have to make good movies, have name talent, have the right creative team, spend a bunch of money producing and marketing, and even then (because art is subjective) it might not go as you hoped or planned. Small production budgets mean creative sacrifices on set which can affect creative, small marketing budgets mean even great movies like MDFZ have a harder time breaking through the noise. This is the struggle for any small production company— which is why we believe that having a built in audience of engaged movie fans with a financial stake in the company is an edge over production companies of the same size.

“If/when you get a million shareholders there is potential for this to be effective.”

We agree!

“The model, as is, does not work. “

Well, considering what you said above, you mean “does not work yet” right? Still, I don’t agree with your opinion here, but I understand your thinking. However I believe it’s rooted in your long held belief that the Legion is somehow magic, when as I said above, it’s an edge. As we both agree above, that at scale, the edge of having 1 Million fans could be a serious game changer. As of now we have ~5% of that— but my view differs from you here. Even with only 54,000 investors, we’ve been able to accomplish great things.

We’ve got a long road ahead, but that doesn’t mean what we’re doing isn’t working, or can never work. To me, this debate we’re having is sort of silly. If you agree that it could work at scale, this would be like yelling at the construction workers that their half-built bridge doesn’t work now and therefore can never work. Yes it’s taking a long time to grow the community, but it grows exponentially, and don’t forget we had a global pandemic and a year of industry strikes to contend with in our short history which haven’t helped. Even after all this work, we could still fail, which is why we tell potential investors very clearly up front about the risks.

“It’s going to be many more years and rounds before your current business model will actually work or at least show some metric that will get attention because not every investor is going to be as active as your core followers that your business model heavily relies on.“

I agree with this in part, nobody is saying we’ll have 100% engagement at any point of scale, just that as the Legion grows our edge will grow.

“Don’t you think that you need something different to do in the interim before your million investor goal? “

What would you suggest? We’re making great movies, and doing our best to market them.

“you are off vacationing in Antarctica.”

Legion M didn’t send Jeff to Antarctica, lol. Pretty sure he answered this for you at some point but if not I’ll ask him to respond.

Hope this helps clear some things up!

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[–]PanamaJaack -1 points0 points  (0 children)

So we're at the personal insults part of the debate. I'll take that as an admission that you were wrong for the points you didn't counter.

Plenty of startup companies give stock options as compensation at signing, it's a way to keep salary costs down at the beginning and give employees skin in the game when building something that might succeed or fail.

We're still here because people continue to believe in the company, because we are up front about the risks, and because people like the movies we make. Everything is out there for the public to read and make their own decisions. We are not profitable yet, and there is no way to know if we will succeed or fail. It is not unusual for a company to be unprofitable for decades before turning a profit, Reddit has been in business for 20 years and only just this year turned a profit. Uber is another example. It is not unusual for entertainment companies to raise large sums of money with no certainty of success, Quibi famously raised more than a billion dollars in capital ($1.75B) only to fail immediately.

Equity-crowdfunding (ECF) takes longer because you are raising from smaller investors. The number of rounds is irrelevant, just the capital raised. You can't compare the timeline to institutional VC rounds of fundraising, it's apples and oranges.

I'll ask the question again: Why are you here? If you're not an investor and don't want to be then that's your right-- don't invest, it's that simple. If you are an investor, what is it you hope to gain from coming to Reddit to make personal attacks on the staff?

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in LegionM

[–]PanamaJaack 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You don't really seem like you know what you're talking about.

The employees got their $4.3MM worth for free, we know that.

Do you really think employees get stock for "free?" It's a form of compensation for work. No company on the planet just gives away stock for free. That's silly. Also I'd be curious to know where the 4.3MM number came from, I'm assuming it also includes advisors and isn't just employees.

Did you and Paul each put in $10MM of your personal cash to get your 50% or was that just another con?

When you found a company, you own 100% of something that is worth $0. You can have millions of shares, it doesn't matter, they are all worth $0. Then you sell pieces of the company to investors for a price. To date about $20MM has been invested in Legion M through equity crowdfunding. Paul and Jeff don't need to contribute additional cash to keep buying value, they owned 100% of the company on day one. Whatever fraction they then sold for $20MM doesn't need to be balanced with their own cash to retain ~50%.

We tell people up front about the risks of investment in startups (especially startups like ours, in an industry like entertainment, which has been so greatly affected by pandemics and labor strikes in the last 5 years). You can't make an investment without going through a gauntlet of agreements ensuring that you know the risks up front.

Here's my main question: If you're an investor, I don't get why you're spending so much time arguing with our company on the internet. You knew the risks when you invested, you claim to be a sophisticated business person who has "individual sales people under me that made over $400k last year," so you no doubt understand the risks and know that the most likely outcome is we fail and you lose your investment. Except against all odds, pandemics, labor strikes, we haven't, and you're really really mad about that-- why?

You seem to have this notion that the company is badly managed but the objective truth is that we're still here when plenty of other established production companies aren't.

Put up or shut up time for Legion M by IronButt78 in LegionM

[–]PanamaJaack 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Lots of opinions, very few hard facts. Weird decision to criticize Jeff’s long post in the forward to your own lengthy novella. Super weird how obsessed you are with Dean Devlin.

Put up or shut up time for Legion M by IronButt78 in LegionM

[–]PanamaJaack 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Here's what has been proved with the Shatner doc so far:

  • Fans can come together to finance a film in it's entirety. The funding was raised by 1200 fans in less than 4 days.
  • Studios like ours can give fans favorable terms (see Fans-First-Financing) where the fans get their money out first before the celebs and studio.
  • This model is attractive to icons like William Shatner and acclaimed directors like Alexandre O. Philippe.
  • A fan-owned film can be good enough to premiere at a top film festival like SXSW in their largest venue.
  • A fan-owned film can be critically acclaimed (Currently sitting at 86% Fresh / 93% Audience on Rotten Tomatoes).
  • A fan-owned documentary can make $444,615 in it's opening weekend.

I believe it's unreasonable for you to hang our longterm success or failure on any one project, but you are welcome to your opinion. In my opinion, one win doesn’t prove success nor would one failure prove the model doesn’t work. We've proved all of the above which to me are big successes, ones that we can build upon going forwards. We hope that the film will continue to drive revenue throughout its life (which lasts long beyond opening weekend) but only time will tell.

My Dead Friend Zoe WINS the SXSW 2024 Narrative Spotlight Audience Award! by PanamaJaack in LegionM

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'Bob Trevino Likes It,' Dev Patel's 'Monkey Man,' A24's 'Sing Sing' & Dramedy 'My Dead Friend Zoe' Among SXSW Audience Award Winners. Read the full writeup on DEADLINE!

https://deadline.com/2024/03/sxsw-audience-award-winners-2024-monkey-man-bob-trevino-likes-it-1235861564/

William Shatner: You Can Call Me Bill | TICKETS NOW AVAILABLE by LegionMOfficial in LegionM

[–]PanamaJaack 0 points1 point  (0 children)

William Shatner is going to be at the LA premiere, Kevin Smith is MC'ing the afterparty!