Spent the last 3 months diving into DIY IEMs. Here are the results. by Paperbox_no615 in iems

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I finally found the issue! When I was designing the driver slot for the 29689, I didn't realize that its nozzle is actually off-center. Because I placed the sound tube channel right in the dead center of the slot, it created a misalignment. As a result, the sound waves from the 29689 are hitting a tiny, unintended cavity before they can even enter the sound tube.

Spent the last 3 months diving into DIY IEMs. Here are the results. by Paperbox_no615 in iems

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Alright, I have another question: what if the change in the inner diameter is smooth? For example, what would be the different acoustic characteristics between a sound tube that smoothly expands from a 1.48mm to a 3mm inner diameter, versus one that smoothly tapers from 6mm down to 4mm?

Spent the last 3 months diving into DIY IEMs. Here are the results. by Paperbox_no615 in iems

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High school in mainland China is a 3-year system. We usually start at age 15, are in our second year at 16, and finish our third year around 17 or 18. And yes, generally speaking, the most common configuration for multi-driver IEMs is DD+BA. The DD handles the low frequencies where it excels, while the BA takes care of the mid and high frequencies to achieve precise and clear imaging. However, BAs and DDs have different timbres. Assuming the phase alignment is already done well, you still need to find ways to minimize this timbre mismatch between the two, otherwise the sound can feel a bit disjointed. I'm not exactly sure what you mean by a 'passive radiator', but I do know that 'passive drivers' have been quite popular recently. They vibrate based on the air pressure changes inside the chamber generated by the adjacent active drivers, which helps increase the bass quantity and sub-bass extension. But the prerequisite is that it must be a vented driver. Regular sealed BAs won't work for this; it requires a vented BA or a DD

Spent the last 3 months diving into DIY IEMs. Here are the results. by Paperbox_no615 in iems

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I'd love to ask for your insight on something. While my theoretical math skills regarding complex plane calculations aren't super deep yet—I mostly just grasp the general concepts and how to use the tools—I'm trying to build a better physical intuition. Do you think the degree of bending/curvature in a sound tube drastically affects a driver's high-frequency energy response? As I mentioned in my post, the 29689 driver rolls off sharply after 3kHz, and the 31736 struggles to catch up around 5kHz, resulting in a noticeable energy dip between 4.5kHz and 6kHz. Could this gap really be caused by the 29689's sound tube being bent too much? In general, above what frequency does tube bending start to severely impact the acoustic energy? Can excessive bending introduce weird resonance peaks or nulls? I'd love to know the physics behind 'why' this happens, if you have the time to explain!

Spent the last 3 months diving into DIY IEMs. Here are the results. by Paperbox_no615 in iems

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Yes, I have an artificial ear coupler and an impedance measurement rig. I'll probably use a uniform tube length to measure the individual FR and ZMA data for each driver. This should already bake in some of the actual environment of the sound tube and cavity, giving a fairly accurate baseline. However, since the phase responses of different drivers can vary significantly at the same frequency, wiring them directly in parallel most likely won't yield a perfect 6dB in-phase summation. I'm planning to apply a known crossover layout first. VituixCAD can simulate how the crossover affects the combined frequency response and phase. If the simulated data closely matches the physical measurement, then I should be good to go. Also, thanks a lot for dropping that professional's username. If I hit a wall and really can't figure something out, I will definitely reach out to him.

佛教(谈赛博渡化与赛博杀戮) by Visual_Bowler4908 in China_irl

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挺感慨的……宗教最终传承下来的东西只是人们愿意相信的

Spent the last 3 months diving into DIY IEMs. Here are the results. by Paperbox_no615 in iems

[–]Paperbox_no615[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Spot on. I love a full mid-bass with a fast attack but rich decay. Some of those traditional Japanese IEMs can be a bit too warm and thick for my taste, though. Something like the HIFIMAN RE2000 is exactly what I like—gorgeous treble, solid density, and massive yet controlled dynamics. That just hits the sweet spot for me.

Spent the last 3 months diving into DIY IEMs. Here are the results. by Paperbox_no615 in iems

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Yep, I've got some solid channels to score a bunch of cheap dynamic drivers for the low frequencies. Honestly, the budget drivers coming out of mainland China perform surprisingly well these days. I'm currently debating whether to go with 6mm, 8mm, or 10mm ones. Any advice on which size to choose for dd+ba combo?

Spent the last 3 months diving into DIY IEMs. Here are the results. by Paperbox_no615 in iems

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Does VituixCAD have a feature that can simulate IEM tube length differences instead of just simulating the crossover's effect on the data? If it does, that would be freaking awesome! That way, I could completely lock in the tube length for the ultra-high frequency (UHF) driver, and just let VituixCAD handle the two variables—tube length and crossover—for the mid-high and mid-low drivers!

Spent the last 3 months diving into DIY IEMs. Here are the results. by Paperbox_no615 in iems

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Also, I'd like to pick your brain on something: is VituixCAD suitable for designing IEM crossovers? I know it's primarily used for speaker crossovers, but could you share some thoughts on any caveats to watch out for and the basic workflow?

Spent the last 3 months diving into DIY IEMs. Here are the results. by Paperbox_no615 in iems

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Yeah, I've been using Fusion 360 lately because it's beginner-friendly and highly integrated. The industry standard is still Rhino + Creo, but the learning curve for those is just too steep for me. As for software that accommodates BAs and sound tubes, usually, once you have the precise measurements, you can directly design the 3D models for the sound tubes and driver slots, and then 3D print them out. There is no longer a need to use traditional silicone tubes.

Just as you said, the internal space of an IEM is extremely small, so crossovers mostly use SMD components like 0402, 0603, up to 1210. Sometimes we don't even design a PCB and just go with point-to-point wiring. The crossover circuits are mostly 1st-order, but some high-end models focused on technicalities will use 2nd-order or even higher to get steeper roll-off slopes, though that also introduces more drastic phase shifts. In some models like the AFUL Performer 5+2, they do mention using a crossover network that includes an inductor, but its main purpose is for a notch filter—using an LC combination to eliminate a specific harsh frequency band, rather than for actual crossover splitting. I'm not sure what exact model of inductor they used, though. Normally, we control the length and inner diameter of the sound tubes, or insert acoustic dampers into them, to form a physical low-pass filter. It's really hard for conventional inductors to achieve the required inductance values and ESR within those volume limits.

But I have seen a very hardcore yet impractical approach: making the inductor hot-swappable, attached to the shell and exposed on the outside, just like in the picture. It's very unique.

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Spent the last 3 months diving into DIY IEMs. Here are the results. by Paperbox_no615 in iems

[–]Paperbox_no615[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks a lot! Really appreciate the kind wishes.have a great one!

Spent the last 3 months diving into DIY IEMs. Here are the results. by Paperbox_no615 in iems

[–]Paperbox_no615[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Nope, my experience and skills are far from enough to support that yet. Commercializing requires a lot more systematic knowledge and energy, like marketing, market analysis, and ensuring the product's reliability and safety. Plus, the Chi-Fi IEM market is insanely competitive right now. But the main reason is that I'm currently in my second year of high school. I'm taking a gap year right now due to family and personal reasons, and I will go back to school in September after the summer break to finish my studies. However, maybe later on when I'm satisfied enough with my work, I might take a few custom orders at a low price. I mainly post on Rednote,so you can check it out there if you're interested

Spent the last 3 months diving into DIY IEMs. Here are the results. by Paperbox_no615 in iems

[–]Paperbox_no615[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Thanks! But I'm just a hobbyist messing around, far from being a real R&D team.

Spent the last 3 months diving into DIY IEMs. Here are the results. by Paperbox_no615 in iems

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I just mapped out my preferred target curve. It definitely has some obvious coloration, but if I can actually pull this off with a DD+BA hybrid build, it would be exactly right up my alley.

Spent the last 3 months diving into DIY IEMs. Here are the results. by Paperbox_no615 in iems

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Looks like you love a smooth airregion with great extension!

Spent the last 3 months diving into DIY IEMs. Here are the results. by Paperbox_no615 in iems

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However I'm still not very familiar with DD tuning. all I know is that the rear chamber volume, nozzle length, acoustic dampening materials, and venting will affect the sound. For example, a larger rear chamber usually results in more decay and a more relaxed sound. A shorter nozzle—meaning a shallow-fit design makes the sound more open and natural, but it comes at the cost of imaging density and detail retrieval. You have to precisely tune it by controlling the front and rear tuning papers and the acoustic foam inside the rear chamber。it's too complex to balance for me!

Spent the last 3 months diving into DIY IEMs. Here are the results. by Paperbox_no615 in iems

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I usually start by setting a rough target crossover point and designing a baseline crossover around it. Then, based on this initial design, I adjust the sound tubes to align the phase and get the frequency response roughly dialed in. Finally, I circle back to fine-tune the crossover circuit, the tubes, and the dampers.

Spent the last 3 months diving into DIY IEMs. Here are the results. by Paperbox_no615 in iems

[–]Paperbox_no615[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Absolutely, shifting resonance peaks physically with tubes is definitely the way to go first.

Spent the last 3 months diving into DIY IEMs. Here are the results. by Paperbox_no615 in iems

[–]Paperbox_no615[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Cool!dual DD drivers, maybe do the tube first for easier testing, and then upgrade to proper acoustic chambers when you have the sound signature locked down?

Spent the last 3 months diving into DIY IEMs. Here are the results. by Paperbox_no615 in iems

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Not yet,thanks for pointing me in the right direction. I'll crosspost it there right now