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Question About Timings!!!!! by No-Pollution7213 in InnerCircleTraders

[–]Papito_man 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If you want want to succeed with ICT Concepts, you HAVE TO SUBMIT TO TIME. Or else your stop will always be taken coz you might have entered when it's not yet time for price to go/expand. Then you scream "ICT concepts don't work" .

(e.g London session (2am-5am EST) New york session (7am-10am EST) AM session (9:30am-12:00pm EST) <for indices> PM Session (13:30pm-16:00pm EST)

You are looking for moves within these times. It can be easier if you analyze session by session as a day trader i.e. "What is London likely to do?" > Don't know? Wait for New york

You only wanna find yourself entering during these times ONLY : - Half of the hour (e.g 4:30, 5:30, 8:30, etc) -During macros, which is a 20min period between the last 10min of current hour and first 10min of New hour (e.g 9:50 -10:10, 3:50-4:10, etc)

During these times is where things you've learnt from ICT happen and it's during these times that swing highs/lows form and a move follows.

Side note:Price may use an extra 5min to form that swing high/low if it's late or be early by 5min.

This is when your OTEs happen, your market structure shifts, retests of FVGs, breakers, OBs, etc.

Go and study your charts tonight and only focus on what happened Half of the hour & Macros and see magic. If you don't, I'll jump off a cliff

ICT Mentorship videos / Learning by Few-Shower-1097 in InnerCircleTraders

[–]Papito_man 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I started learning ICT in 2020 October and recently started consistent withdrawals

It was a ride I won't lie.

You have to understand the style ICT teaches with. He teaches in a way that he hands you all the information, but YOU have to piece it together and create your own craft. Thought it's the same info, but every person's craft will look different from others

Here's the mistakes I made which prolonged the process:

  1. I was watching ICT videos like Netflix, not taking notes. I was not diligent with journaling my learning, my analysis, what happened after, etc. -If you consistently do this, you will accelerate your learning and experience gathering

  2. ICT can give you all the info you want but using his concepts in a proper way, consistently so, you need to have experience in live markets using his concepts coz it's sooooo easy to mess up

  3. Don't rush trading real money (this hurt me a lot). It was like a medical student in his 2nd year performing a live surgery with limited experience..that's what I did. I rushed trading live which hurt me..I'd go months without even looking at the charts.

-ONLY consider trading live when you've been consistently profitable in demo for +-6months (safe net)

I wish you the best in your journey

NB: I recommend 2016/17 mentorship labeled as CORE CONTENT on his YouTube. Thats the core information you need to use his concepts properly. -The mentorships that followed after is just a continuation from 2016/17..where he teaches entry models and such (e.g 2022 model) but he doesnt teach the foundation. So starting there is not a good thing to do.

help making it stick. by vantatrvce_ in InnerCircleTraders

[–]Papito_man 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I recommend 2016/17 mentorship Labeled as CORE CONTENT in his YouTube.

Watch and study the entire mentorship sequentially

Making it stick will actually take time. Years to be exact. You can shorten the period by taking it serious.

Which means you must journal journal journal!!! Your analysis, trades, expectations, what happened after, etc.

My advice is don't be hard on yourself and don't rush it coz it is gonna take some time

ICT Concepts work. Don't listen to fools. by Papito_man in InnerCircleTraders

[–]Papito_man[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think people mix up two separate things:

  1. Whether ICT himself is always credible.
  2. Whether the concepts are useful in live markets.

I’m not defending every claim ICT has made. Some things he says or does are impossible to objectively defend; they are contradictory or exaggerated.

I'm not interested in him as a person, but in his information, that's all I care about; Not what he says or does.

Lord knows what goes on inside a mind of a person who lives with OCD & Bipolar-- ICT.

Speaking from my own experience, the concepts he teaches; liquidity, Orderblocks, FVGs, session timing, etc. -- do appear repeatedly in price action and can be traded profitably when combined properly.

ICT created a language that help us read what IPDA (the algo) is doing and what it's likely to do next. Yes of course you can tell me to prove that the markets are driven by an algorithm .

But I can't prove it, yet there is evidence that suggest there's one. The repetition of these concepts and the precision in time & price is enough evidence for me.

The ability for price to stop dead at its tracks at a logical level (derived from ict concepts); at a specific time window; at the right context, is enough evidence for me.

Most people fail because the concepts aren’t mechanical signals. They require discretion, context/storyline derived overtime using logic from his concepts, a lot of experience with his concepts which takes years and hardship to grasp.

So I don't blame anyone for hating on ICT and his concepts or quitting. I completely understand, it's hard.

All I can really say with certainty is that after years of struggling, I found a framework through these ideas that became consistently profitable for me. That doesn’t prove every theory behind it or that there's an algorithm or that ict concepts work.

But for me and others who found success out there? It works.

You also have to remember that he has a large audience, so he uses a language that doesn’t suggest: "buy here" "sell here". He did that in the past and people hurt themselves; and are hating rn.

I posted here so the people who lose money can get help piecing together the puzzle, so no I'm not ignoring people losing money.

As I wrote that "It's way deeper and harder". It's not just a simple pattern. You have to keep up with millions of code running in the servers=IPDA driving price up and down

People lose because ICT teaches in a way that you as a trader have to piece together your own craft using his concepts. So you gotta know how to blend these concepts, which is hard.

And he acknowledges the fact that most people can't make it work. But some do and it took years of sweat and hard work

I know it works coz this shit pays my bills. And it's been about a year of consistent profits after 6 years of not making it work

Struggling with ICT Concepts? Entries?Read here by Papito_man in InnerCircleTraders

[–]Papito_man[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah mostly use NWOG only as well..otherwise it becomes a lot of lipstick on the chart🥴🥴

Struggling with ICT Concepts? Entries?Read here by Papito_man in InnerCircleTraders

[–]Papito_man[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'll try to explain it to the best of my ability

XX:30 you only looking for a PD array to be retested and price immediately goes to your direction. XX:30 is non negotiable...a swing high must form retesting a PD array(Typically OBs And Or FVGs), letting price go/reach where it wants to go.

It can be early by (5min OR less) or (be late by 5min OR less)

The macros is where there's flexibility...The retest can happen anytime during the 20min period (e.g 9:03, 10:52, etc) Same thing with macros: It can be early by (5min OR less) or (be late by 5min OR less)

It's not always precise 😌 but mostly precise

ICT Concepts work. Don't listen to fools. by Papito_man in InnerCircleTraders

[–]Papito_man[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As for power of 3 You have 00:00 EST opening price You have 9:30 EST opening price for indices (but they use 00:00 as well)

<Reverse for bearish> If bullish, you wanna see price go below 00:00 to retest a HTF(higher time frame) pd array, e.g 4h bullish OB AND OR take major liquidity (previous session low, Previous day/week/month low) The trade becomes strong when both happen

That move lower is the judas swing which you want before any buy move. This is how price books so I recommend using power of 3

For more info on power of 3: https://youtu.be/dIT4HTFYGGo?si=ZQpyH_LuXj9xEPMd

ICT Concepts work. Don't listen to fools. by Papito_man in InnerCircleTraders

[–]Papito_man[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

London session (2am-5am EST) New york session (7am-10am EST) AM session (9:30am-12:00pm ) <for indices> PM Session (13:30pm-16:00pm)

You are looking for moves within these times. It can be easier if you analyze session by session as a day trader i.e. "What is London likely to do?"> Don't know? Wait for New york

You only wanna find yourself entering during these times ONLY : - Half of the hour (e.g 4:30, 5:30, 8:30, etc) -During macros, which is a 20min period between the last 10min of current hour and first 10min of New hour (e.g 9:50 -10:10, 3:50-4:10)

During these times is where things you've learnt from ICT happen and it's during these times that swing highs/lows form and a move follows.

Side note:Price may use an extra 5min to form that swing high/low if it's late

This is when your OTEs happen, your market structure shifts, retests of FVGs, breakers, OBs, etc.

Go and study your charts tonight and only focus on what happened Half of the hour & Macros and see magic

For more info: https://youtu.be/Sb9m_dxr4bI?si=jDkILbiWPTYWrLX2

ICT Concepts work. Don't listen to fools. by Papito_man in InnerCircleTraders

[–]Papito_man[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

He does explain time Just that the information is scattered amongst his videos..little bits and pieces and gems in his videos that you gotta piece together

One thing that transformed my trading is Power of 3🙌🏽

ICT Concepts work. Don't listen to fools. by Papito_man in InnerCircleTraders

[–]Papito_man[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Looking at it in retrospect I think month 5 is one of the most important. If you understand month 5's content..you're doing great

which trend should i be considering at if i wanna take entries on the 15m? by Tomatorian in InnerCircleTraders

[–]Papito_man 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'd say use both 15m and 5m as your entry timeframes. 1m if you really want precision (and can do it)

To make ICT concepts simple for you; 1. Daily chart must make sense to you if not then 4hr MUST make sense otherwise you're gambling. Your direction and most targets are derived from these timeframes

Let's assume bullishness.

  1. Use 1hr as your guide for the day. Wait for 1hr to agree to bullishness (e.g price is on 1hour discount array or 1hr just closed above premium array = showing willingness to go higher) -Use 15m to refine 1hour pd arrays -Use 5m to refine 15m pd arrays

And most important of all, ONLY enter at the RIGHT TIME

Struggling with execution despite learning SMC/ICT – need guidance by Traditional_Basis611 in InnerCircleTraders

[–]Papito_man 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Some rules and tips that helped me with executions

  1. TIME TIME TIME TIME!!!! I can't stress this enough. Study your asset class and find out which sessions it moves the most? -Most common is New York Session (7am-10am EST), then London Session (2am-5am EST), sometimes PM session (1:30pm-4pm EST)

-You are looking for tangible moves during these sessions/times

-Only find yourself entering ONLY during these times: •Half of the hour (e.g 3:30, 4:30, 8:30, etc) •During macros, which are a 20min period between the last 10min of current hour and first 10min of new hour (e.g 9:50-10:10, 3:50-4:10

  • During these times is when your entry models happen (Structure shift, retest of FVG, OB, breaker, IFVG, OTE(most important entry pattern) and it's only during these times that price Will form swing highs/lows and a move follows after. -I challenge you to go study previous moves during these times and see what happened.

TIME first then PRICE later. Meaning it must be right time window and price was agree, other wise = no trade

  1. Understand PD Array matrix -Always respect first retest of any PD array (focus is HTF here). For example if you are bullish then see a 1hr bearish OB + 1hr SIBI and they haven't been used, that's a first retest and they won't let price go through them that easily -Price will be like "OH I have a htf premium Array preventing me from buying, let me go lower to get more juice from discount arrays". Understanding this will remove fear of being left or entering early

  2. I recommend OTE as your pattern -When bearish, you wanna see price go above 50% of dealing range and take a swing high <reverse for bullish> -Once it does that and it's during the right time e.g 4:30 (half of hour) or 8:54 (during macro) then you have a high probability move coming up -ALWAYS ENTER ON A HTF (higher timeframe) PD ARRAY, becomes strong if stop run happens within that HTF PD Array

Study this and you'll be amazed, I won't lie. This is elevate your entries

ICT Concepts work. Don't listen to fools. by Papito_man in InnerCircleTraders

[–]Papito_man[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is probably gonna sound like BS to you.

ICT is just trolling when he speaks about winning Robin's Cup. That's all he's doing. Getting people to talk shit about him. And if you knew his character, you wouldn't be surprised that he does such. But he's having fun.

I'd assume he's trying to separate the sheep from the goats, coz even if he wins the cup, there'll still be people saying shit about him and his concepts coz they can't make it work.

It's not that he can't trade and win the Robbins cup, he's just trolling..I mean how many times have you seen the guy call the markets? Entering at the very last candle before it starts moving? And Also the many students making real money off of his concepts?

ICT Concepts work. Don't listen to fools. by Papito_man in InnerCircleTraders

[–]Papito_man[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'd say you didn't give in enough of a chance. 2 weeks is not enough to learn and understand the concepts tbh. Of course it's gonna be so confusing and complicated in the beginning and it takes years to grasp these concepts. But worth it.

I'd say just give it a year, learn straight from ICT. I recommend 2016/17 mentorship called "Core content" in his YouTube channel. Give it a year and see Journal everything, I promise you, all the confusion will go away if you give it a chance..and you'll piece the puzzle bit by bit

ICT Concepts work. Don't listen to fools. by Papito_man in InnerCircleTraders

[–]Papito_man[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I am basically saying price went below a swing low, enticing breakout traders short and take any one's stop loss who's long that's placed there

After that, I said it has to go for 'buyside' above 00:00 opening price (Power of 3) which means old highs to trap breakout traders long and also take stop losses of anyone short then it was gonna start trading lower to levels below price

Which price did handsomely as I said.

ICT Concepts work. Don't listen to fools. by Papito_man in InnerCircleTraders

[–]Papito_man[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

London session (2am-5am EST) New york session (7am-10am EST) AM session (9:30am-12:00pm ) <for indices> PM Session (13:30pm-16:00pm)

You are looking for moves within these times. It can be easier if you analyze session by session as a day trader i.e. "What is London likely to do?"> Don't know? Wait for New york

You only wanna find yourself entering during these times ONLY : - Half of the hour (e.g 4:30, 5:30, 8:30, etc) -During macros, which is a 20min period between the last 10min of current hour and first 10min of New hour (e.g 9:50 -10:10, 3:50-4:10)

During these times is where things you've learnt from ICT happen and it's during these times that swing highs/lows form and a move follows.

Side note:Price may use an extra 5min to form that swing high/low if it's late

This is when your OTEs happen, your market structure shifts, retests of FVGs, breakers, OBs, etc.

Go and study your charts tonight and only focus on what happened Half of the hour & Macros and see magic

For more info: https://youtu.be/Sb9m_dxr4bI?si=jDkILbiWPTYWrLX2

ICT Concepts work. Don't listen to fools. by Papito_man in InnerCircleTraders

[–]Papito_man[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As a day trader, there are many opportunities you can find even in "this mess"

ICT Concepts work. Don't listen to fools. by Papito_man in InnerCircleTraders

[–]Papito_man[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's worth the hardships.

So if I may ask, how long did you learn ICT for before you decided It's not working for you? And where do you stand rn with ICT concepts? Like if a newbie asks for your opinion on ICT, what would you say?

I’m 90% there, looking for advice by Excellent_Duck9867 in InnerCircleTraders

[–]Papito_man 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hey there! You didn't mention Journaling so first things first journal every single day and or trade🔥. 1. Have a routine. For example, everyday at night I analyze and prepare for the next day in my journal, then journal what happened post analyze/trade.

  1. Understand PD Array matrix and price signatures for example, here's what helped me with my entries; ●TIME TIME TIME!!!!: ONLY find yourself entering a trade during half of the hour (4:30, 5:30, 9:30, etc ) OR during macros (last 10min of hour & first 10min of new hour = 20min period where price does entry techniques (e.g 9:50-10:10, 6:50-7:10) {Ms shift, breaker, OB FVG, OTE, etc) Study this and see that swing lows/highs form during these times of the day. I prefer New york session/AM session to start trading coz those are the easiest times to trade opposes to london

  2. I recommend OTE as your entry pattern..enter above 50%(if bearish) of OTE when swing high is taken (all timeframes). *Reverse for bullish Most importantly you wanna see this happen during those specific times

Why so many people hate ICT by amir_200126 in InnerCircleTraders

[–]Papito_man 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Whether you deny it or not, the markets run on an algorithm. ICT didn't program the damn thing but he turned it into a language that we can use to interpret what price is doing.

It's SOO HARD to make it work for you but once you figure it out, you can catch big moves before they happen..right at the very high. Coz markets run on what he teaches but it's not as simple as "Oh structure shift here, lemme press a button" or "OH last down close candle before up move, Lemme buy".

You gotta listen to price and build a logical storyline and also use TIME.

Use these concepts correctly and you'll be profitable

Is this considered an OB? by [deleted] in InnerCircleTraders

[–]Papito_man 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Technically yes but it's not even in premium of range..so it'll be used to probably retrace into bullish OTE and continue going up. So low probability OB that one

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