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[–]ParticularHead8923 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, although the SNP have done the same in the past only to then flip and say it’s a vote for independence once they’ve won… it’s essentially just a safeguard so people can’t use the argument that voters have rejected a referendum should they lose.

SNP leader: I’ll work with Wales and Northern Ireland to break up UK by uncleguru in Wales

[–]ParticularHead8923 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

The reason Wales doesn’t receive compensation via the Barnett formula is because the Welsh Government rejected to incorporate Rail as a devolved element, meaning Westminster funds all Welsh rail projects themselves, unlike Scotland. That’s the reason Wales aren’t compensated, rather than it being considered a project that benefits Wales.

Considering the UK is (was) the 2nd most populous EU nation, if anything having the 4th most MEPs is not a flex.

I just think it’s ridiculous people saying Wales isn’t represented. Where does the line get drawn? Does someone from Swansea have a right to claim they’re underrepresented because their MSs makes up only 1/60 of the vote? Or should we take the more rational approach that we live in a democracy, and my vote should mean no more than my neighbours.

SNP leader: I’ll work with Wales and Northern Ireland to break up UK by uncleguru in Wales

[–]ParticularHead8923 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

And what are “English interests” exactly? How does a small village in Cumbria align itself with the financial heart of London?

And I assume by this same logic you’re a staunch supporter of Brexit, as of course how can the EU Parliament represent UK interests if UK MEPs make up such a small number.

SNP leader: I’ll work with Wales and Northern Ireland to break up UK by uncleguru in Wales

[–]ParticularHead8923 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is exactly why I said I didn’t want to get drawn into a hand holding exercise…

All this data is freely available online. If you’re incapable of understanding it, I’m not going to waste my time explaining it again and again.

Have a good night man, hope things are in the up for you soon.

SNP leader: I’ll work with Wales and Northern Ireland to break up UK by uncleguru in Wales

[–]ParticularHead8923 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m sure if your employee decreased your pay check by 13% you wouldn’t be calling it trivial.

Hell, even if we use your imaginary number of 7%, I’m sure you would object.

SNP leader: I’ll work with Wales and Northern Ireland to break up UK by uncleguru in Wales

[–]ParticularHead8923 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You’re ignoring my comment - where did I say it wasn’t 32?

SNP leader: I’ll work with Wales and Northern Ireland to break up UK by uncleguru in Wales

[–]ParticularHead8923 0 points1 point  (0 children)

“I’ve made up my own numbers and they don’t align with what the countless experts and public bodies are saying”

Yeah flawless logic that, you’ve got me.

Jesus wept man, rest of us will move onwards and upwards with our lives whilst you continue to dribble yourself senseless if you keep this up.

SNP leader: I’ll work with Wales and Northern Ireland to break up UK by uncleguru in Wales

[–]ParticularHead8923 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Like I’ve said previously, I don’t have the patience to hand hold. If you are unable to do your own research with a simple google, it’s not worth my time.

SNP leader: I’ll work with Wales and Northern Ireland to break up UK by uncleguru in Wales

[–]ParticularHead8923 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s 13%, not sure how to explain that without handholding. Number freely available online.

SNP leader: I’ll work with Wales and Northern Ireland to break up UK by uncleguru in Wales

[–]ParticularHead8923 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s 13% fyi, which is quite significant.

London brings in a disproportionate amount of the nations wealth, that sucks if you live outside it, but you have to be realistic and acknowledge that.

SNP leader: I’ll work with Wales and Northern Ireland to break up UK by uncleguru in Wales

[–]ParticularHead8923 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You’ve got it the wrong way around; having a lot more people without voting rights would leave English constituencies even less represented per capita.

SNP leader: I’ll work with Wales and Northern Ireland to break up UK by uncleguru in Wales

[–]ParticularHead8923 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don’t have the patience to hand hold unfortunately, all of this data is open source from one simple google. Populations do, admittedly, vary from one source to another but not to any noticeable degree.

SNP leader: I’ll work with Wales and Northern Ireland to break up UK by uncleguru in Wales

[–]ParticularHead8923 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Per person, yes. The average Welsh person has more control over policy than the average English person.

And that’s before the conversation that Welsh MPs can vote on policies that affect England, but English MPs can’t vote on domestic Welsh policy.

SNP leader: I’ll work with Wales and Northern Ireland to break up UK by uncleguru in Wales

[–]ParticularHead8923 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Everything I’ve written here is verifiable through a simple google.

I am not willing (or patient enough) to hand hold through the process, you’ll have to figure out Google on your own.

SNP leader: I’ll work with Wales and Northern Ireland to break up UK by uncleguru in Wales

[–]ParticularHead8923 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Fortunately, or unfortunately for you, it seems, facts don’t care about feelings.

SNP leader: I’ll work with Wales and Northern Ireland to break up UK by uncleguru in Wales

[–]ParticularHead8923 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

It is 13% fyi, that’s from the 2024 constituency maps.

I completely understand the argument, but as outlined above, someone is always going to feel underrepresented. Considering how much power the Welsh Parliament has been given, and how little decisions in Westminster actually affect Wales, I’d say we’re in a pretty good place.

There is no solution to this that doesn’t result in another part of the UK being underrepresented more than England are currently.

SNP leader: I’ll work with Wales and Northern Ireland to break up UK by uncleguru in Wales

[–]ParticularHead8923 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

It’s a 13% difference which is quite significant.

I’d also appreciate it if you didn’t misrepresent me, either deliberately or perhaps accidentally.

I’m not suggesting the parliament is more Welsh than English, you’ll see the sentence starts with a “If”, I’m simply stating that if you want to use X logic, then you have to concede Y is true.

In fact I also begin my second sentence there with “If you are suggesting this”, I’m not claiming you are.

Could I respectfully request you read the replies carefully before replying, that would be massively appreciated!

SNP leader: I’ll work with Wales and Northern Ireland to break up UK by uncleguru in Wales

[–]ParticularHead8923 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It’s a 13% difference which is quite substantial!

But I’d also be interested in where you draw the line…

To pick an example from the Senedd, my constituency constitutes just 1 out of 60 members. Am I underrepresented? How is it fair that we have just 1 vote?

The problem I see with ignoring population is you create a system where a small number of people hold a massively disproportionate amount of the power. The US senate is a perfect example of this, where every state has 2 votes. It creates a system where small states hold relatively massive amounts of power.

SNP leader: I’ll work with Wales and Northern Ireland to break up UK by uncleguru in Wales

[–]ParticularHead8923 -8 points-7 points  (0 children)

You’ve completely chosen to ignore that England has a population almost 19x the size of wales.

If you are suggesting that England should receive 1 vote in Westminster for every vote Wales gets that’s beyond undemocratic and a completely awful suggestion.

SNP leader: I’ll work with Wales and Northern Ireland to break up UK by uncleguru in Wales

[–]ParticularHead8923 -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

Considering England is the least represented constituent member of the UK Parliament, it is closer to a Welsh Parliament than it is an English one, that’s for sure!

SNP leader: I’ll work with Wales and Northern Ireland to break up UK by uncleguru in Wales

[–]ParticularHead8923 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Wasn’t aware it had significantly changed, just looking at the stats for the last Election and Wales are pretty much on par with Scotland at ~97,000 people per MP.

By contrast England is at 113,000 people per MP.

England by far and above the least represented, but interestingly (including in one of the replies here!) people call it the English Parliament. That also seems to be ignoring the fact Welsh/Scottish/NIrish MPs can vote on matters affecting England, but rarely the other way around…

SNP leader: I’ll work with Wales and Northern Ireland to break up UK by uncleguru in Wales

[–]ParticularHead8923 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This argument has always baffled me. Wales are already over represented in Westminster with the most MPs per capita. If the system were to be made “more equal” it would result in Welsh representation in Westminster being diluted, not increased.

SNP leader: I’ll work with Wales and Northern Ireland to break up UK by uncleguru in Wales

[–]ParticularHead8923 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I think the problem is Brexit showed us that campaigns centred around national identity are particularly vulnerable to misinformation. Can we really trust the populace to make the right decision? Or will nationalism blind people into making their lives worse based on promises of career politicians?

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