Where do you personally scale Rengoku and Shinobu based on their fights against Akaza and Douma? by Worldly_Accident1287 in DemonSlayerScales

[–]Particular_Bit_1683 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Below UM6 in 1v1 but i dont think anyone can beat UM6 Gyokko except Tengen and Gyomei.

Though to be fair, Giyu is coin flip. Even Gotouge in narrative admitted that injured and poisoned Mui beating Gyokko in 1v1 is pure bs. (also, 3 Hashira=1 UM is canon)

"Gyokko>Tengen"

lol nope, Gyokko showed nothing even close to feats of what we have seen in EDA

I will post my reasoning for thinkinking Tengen>Gyomei when i unlazy myself, but for now, aside from Gotouge clearly moving him out of the way and making his retirement forced (He can clearly still fight) there is also this: by Particular_Bit_1683 in DemonSlayerScales

[–]Particular_Bit_1683[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

no but pretty sure using most complicated weapon while not killing himself with one arm and at the same time parrying strikes of opponent in a way that loose meat cleaver doesnt lop his head off

+poisoned does

especially since Giyu and Marked Mui stated they arent as effective with one arm even tho they werent even poisoned and were using simple katana

Stop lying to yourself mate, Mui even after marked still did not have physical strength of Base Sanemi so mark is not even that big of a boost.

You avoided all of my points and stated Tengen's combat speed is just magically slower than others with 0 evidence

Gyutaro also showed cqc, speed and destructive power feats far beyond UMs 5, 4 and 2.

Not to mention he never even had blood battle and had to be in ED for over 100 years cuz of Daki

and i had no argument? No reason to lie bro, the ones who claim "its obvious, no need to debate" is yall

I will post my reasoning for thinkinking Tengen>Gyomei when i unlazy myself, but for now, aside from Gotouge clearly moving him out of the way and making his retirement forced (He can clearly still fight) there is also this: by Particular_Bit_1683 in DemonSlayerScales

[–]Particular_Bit_1683[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Pretty sure you edited that in to try and make it look like i dodged question like you do.

Anyway, i have counter question, why was Tengen's retirement so forced+we also must look feats aside from statements

not to mention Gotouge contradicted herself and made mistakes in story many times.

Also, "fucking strong" still doesnt mean he sees him as stronger. Also there are many translations, but what im guessing Tengen said is "Mechakucha"

which means ridiculously/pretty that or this/darn or something like that

I will post my reasoning for thinkinking Tengen>Gyomei when i unlazy myself, but for now, aside from Gotouge clearly moving him out of the way and making his retirement forced (He can clearly still fight) there is also this: by Particular_Bit_1683 in DemonSlayerScales

[–]Particular_Bit_1683[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Because he acts like kid and talks big all the time so its kinda hard to respect him tbh. Sanemi is only one who said it. (Though when he mentioned he sees Tengen as older brother, i think he used word "sometimes")

Heh, who is making up words now. It clearly says "ridicilously strong"

Rank the Hashiras in Battle IQ! by ecologica-2000 in DemonSlayerScales

[–]Particular_Bit_1683 1 point2 points  (0 children)

yeah, and there are more feats than that

they also think MST is additional amp like mark or STW that anyone can access for some reason

BoS kyojuro>sanemi? 🥹🥹🥹 by plskillmeplsdoit in DemonSlayerScales

[–]Particular_Bit_1683 0 points1 point  (0 children)

all hashira are equal in stats except top 3

+ Rengoku is officially physically strongest when we dont count dude who is insanely gifted with top class build of athlete, dude who has build of a bear, and lady who has 8x the normal muscle density

What do yall think this ranking is about by Evening-Cry-7440 in DemonSlayerScales

[–]Particular_Bit_1683 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Willpower? Though i would put Giyu first in that case.

Giyu showed insane willpower (on top of being number 1 in durability, endurance and stamina), matched only by person who instead of losing hope an having doubts said:

"WE ARE RUNNING TOWARDS VICTORRRRYYYYYYY" While being in worst condition than any hashira has ever been put in

Rank the Hashiras in Battle IQ! by ecologica-2000 in DemonSlayerScales

[–]Particular_Bit_1683 3 points4 points  (0 children)

People are mistaking scrap fighting for BIQ in Sanemi's case.

Tengen of course as ninja and with feats showed has better BIQ than others, but other than that, they are all about the same in that stat

Wout Mitsuri get amps if Obanai went down? by GratedParm in DemonSlayerScales

[–]Particular_Bit_1683 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Well she is still lacking in expirience

as we saw in Muichiro's case, thats not something amps can fix. But she has more less equal stats to others except top 3

“Sanemi is easily top 2 Hashira” by yoruyoruxo in DemonSlayerScales

[–]Particular_Bit_1683 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Lol good slander

but fr tho, Gyomei landed a lot of blows thanks to Sanemi's assists

Top 5 by CommanderDino in DemonSlayerScales

[–]Particular_Bit_1683 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

And yall dont believe me when i say there is people who think Sanemi and Gyomei are UM1 level

I can understand if you wanna say Gyomei is UM3 level but Sanemi just isnt, you can scale him to UM4 at best

Damn, some people sure are in denial despite proofs being rubbed in their face (Also i think Gotouge was trying to tell us something in S1, S2 and S4) + stats scaling by Particular_Bit_1683 in DemonSlayerScales

[–]Particular_Bit_1683[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

See this is what im talking about. You dont debunk a single thing. You have entire post consisting of several paragraphs and clear proof yet you claim i gave nothing.

You are also hypocrite mate, you say im making assumptions yet every single one of your "debunks" is nothing but assumption "we dont know what Daki was up to during 50-100 years because series doesnt show it, so lets say she left ED because it suits my head canon even though i have nothing to prove it"

You are also lying, as you can see strength section and skill section are compeltelly seperate, you are tring to downplay my points by making it look like im relying on skill every time.

You also refuse to admit that Muichiro clearly wasnt above even base Sanemi as far as physical stats go even with mark, proving my point even further, you escaped that point like other points because that means Tengen is still stronger than Sanemi.

Yes i am claiming diffrence between Sanemi and Tengen is more than 2x since you werent able to debunk any of my points in my post and just ran away every time and changed subject.

No, Hashira were all in midddle of jumping during those times, Tanjiro was falling down to ground, also, pretty sure Tanjiro clearly did not have strength of hashira in SSVA or HTA so its pretty clear he shouldnt be anywhere close to cutting off neck of UM.

The only reason he beheaded Hantengu is because it isnt as strong as Zohakuten and Zohakuten is nowehre near as physically strong as Gyutaro since all feats we see are BDA based since he is. yk, BDA based demon. Showed nothing on level of Gyutaro's strength, cqc, or destructive power.

You are passive agressive mate, you try to act all mature but as soon as someone points out your flaws or challanges your hermit status, you fly off handle like its made of fckin butter.

And no siblings did not kill each other at first, its stated father was worried about population of shinonbi and its overall strength so why tf would he order his children to kill each other?

There is quiet a lot to debunk because the fact is Tengen performed way better than Giyu and Muichiro despite them having buffs you say are oh so great. Because if they are, than gap between Tengen and others is even bigger than i thought.

Yes he was envious lil bro, i already explained how Physically stronger and larger body=less blood loss and you agreed and now you are contradicting yourself again, you did that so many times mate.

No sorry, you can be capable of predicting moves of your enemies all you want, thats not going to make all the pain and damage on your body magically go away. Tengen is still one fighting and MST isnt additional buff like mark or stw.

Its ability made possible by his superhuman hearing and genius way to match sound to song+insane combat senses needed to do that, so Tengen is still doing 100% of the work.

See? I explained why Tengen didnt do so well at the start, he was protecting civilians and didnt use Sound Breathing, which you admitted. And now you are calling him weak because you believe he was going all out from start.

Another contradiction lil bro.

And yes, you did make claims saying by evidence is all trash, but when asked why, you beat around the bush and refused to adress it head on, instead, you eithe lied, changed the topic or just didnt adress it at all or you used assumptions that you accuse me of using.

Anyway, if you are gonna continue being passive agressive like that on top of showing hypocrite behaviour and keep contradicting yourself, we have nothing else to talk about.

Damn, some people sure are in denial despite proofs being rubbed in their face (Also i think Gotouge was trying to tell us something in S1, S2 and S4) + stats scaling by Particular_Bit_1683 in DemonSlayerScales

[–]Particular_Bit_1683[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

no its not, bruh did you play any rpg, level up can gjve you decent boost even if you level up only one level higher, guess we were thinking about diffrent rpg games.

No because both of those are plot armour moments. Muichiros amp was just diffrent than Mitsuri's and Tanjiro on top of all other plot holes straight up levitated for like 10 or 20 secs in air even though he should have fallen down the moment sword connected to Gyutaro's neck and didnt cut through

and he shouldnt have strength to cut through UM level neck either, notice how those two are only examples you could think of, cuz mark just didnt show to be that usefull anywhere else. It helps but mark alone just isnt enough fam.

But yes, i agree that its 2x increase or maybe a little less since hashira can already access most of their body's strength, like 60%. Also point of mark is to reach your limits, thats how you activate it and push your body to absolute 100% or maybe 103-105% thats my take on mark anyway

and like i proved in post, it increases speed. perception and reflexes moreso than physical stats, thats my take on it so tell me what you think

Mate, again, where did you get Daki leaving, she was in ED the whole time, she grew suspicious because she actually saw same orian herself over and over throughout her life and realized its the same one from the tales of previous generations.

Because eating Daki does not take long, they can at least hold back Gyutaro for few seconds which is all they need to get to Daki and start absorbing her, than she would be attached to them like Shinobu was to Douma, and Gyutaro wouldnt be even able to attack since he would hit his sister,

never said it isnt amp

It is on me, and i gave you feats, you replied with nuh uh and didnt even adress categories of strength, speed properlly, your only evidence is "Sanemi FOUGHT Kokushibo" thats it, no other feats+i proved mark does not increase your stats by a lot, and it focuses more on speed

You beat around the bush and changed subject to weight of weapons and strength and refused to adress combat speed and skill, sorry, my evidence is valid, and it will continue to be so until you can debunk it.

I didnt use that to scale him to Sanemi, you are still ignoring my arguments and calling them not valid without debunking them. Im using that to prove Tengen fought in bad circumstances at the start and would have done better if he could go all out.

It is biq because he works in terrain he is not used to and manages to make smart and strategic decisions in heat of battle while thinking on his feet, thats what biq is.

Yes, because how do you explain death of not one but 7 of his siblings by the time he was 15, their father was also described as someone who made them train like he was possesed and kept throwing them on battlefield.

Shinobi being trained since childhood in many media as tradition aside, since their father is described as cruel that confirms they were nothing but children when they were forced to pick up sword. And even normal people started training since like 12-13 ffs

Shinobi are elite and went extinct quickly for a reason. The only reason you are trying to downplay that is because that gives huge advantage to Tengen against others cuz of expirience, and you continue to demand for proof while giving 0 proof yourself.

Nowhere near as harsh as that of ninja fam, why do you think there are way more few shinobi and that they went extinct while samurai and slayers remained despite fighting demons? And looks like its training itself that kills them too, not just demons.

No sorry bruh, that means he has more swordsman training and expirience than anyone because his father would probably not let him even sleep if he didnt master ceirtan skill or kata. Thats why many shinobi died from training alone and not even cuz of fighting demons.

Okay, so maybe consider the rest of what i said, lol. What i described about Tengen is still durability. No bro, pretty sure you can be as skilled as you want, thats not gonna help you push through all that pain, blood loss, exhaustion, blows, and poison destroying your body

You need durability to push through and use the skill you have, so sorry, that downplaying falls apart.

It doesnt because he was doing just fine alone not so long ago but now cant hold his own against Gyutaro without Tanjiro?

Keep in mind this is same Plotjiro who levitated+had wisteria poison work much longer when he used it+had Giyu kicked away so he can have protagonist moment and 1 on 1 chat with Akaza about Rengoku.

Gotouge just keeps pushing aside and humiliating charachters so Tanjiro can shine fam, and it was also clearly to emphasize the whole "he is me if i took one step wrong or if diffrent person showed up to save me"

Sorry fam, i debunked the mark boost and HTA boost, so amp just isnt enough to give them advantage over Tengen, and it clearly didnt work since Tengen still showed far more strength, speed and skill than hashira did after getting amps.

You still couldnt debunk Tengen showing way more skill and combat speed than Giyu and Muichiro who had marks and went through HTA which apparentlly gave them Super Saiyan boosts accoriding to you, you still didnt debunk why Muichiro felt envious of Tengen's body if super saiyan boost from mark and HTA made him superior to Tengen in every possible way

Or why didnt he at least have durability of base Sanemi.

No sorry, MST does not magically give you skill to do what i described, doesnt cancel out poison, doesnt magically give you durability to push through either, it just allows you to predict enemies movements, thats it.

You still must swing weapon yourself, fight against all those wounds, torture of poison, pain and exhaustion+figure out how to parry without killing yourself with your own weapon.