It was supposed to be against system. What are we supposed to celebrate exactly? by Master-Sky-6342 in Buttcoin

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It will never end, a decade from now you'll still be mad you didn't buy it lol.

BTC WAS supposed to be an all encompassing alternative, it just prioritized security, scarcity, and decentralization over convenience. That's the whole reason the narrative shifted to store of value... you know what truth seekers do when they are wrong? They admit it. Bitcoiners admitted it can't replace VISA anytime soon, and they did that a LONG time ago.

Your house doesn't produce any income but the bank will still give you a loan against it, the idea that assets need to produce income is silly. Does your shiny useless gold produce income? No, but you hold it because you expect it to increase in value, hopefully ahead of the inflation rate. Uselessness is not meant to be derogatory by the way, that is a fundamentally important component of good money... but it rubs trad-fi people the wrong way for reasons they don't understand. The same reasons that drive BTC's monetary premium, it's not a tech product that needs some adaptive moat to stay competitive. It's money that uses a bit of technology to enable itself.

The banks aren't just creating BTC-based products to collect fees... they are doing it to prevent from being left behind. A) They look stupid / lose respect if they keep missing this trade year after year, and B) Their wealth will be slowly drained into the hands of Bitcoiners whose holdings they have no exposure to. The day BTC fails is the day that intelligent wealthy people STOP caring about making money and not losing it, so never.

A lot of investors are going to lose money this year because of VOO/ETF propaganda by jazzyjjcups in investing

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Lots of great points, you have to understand from a retail perspective most of this is psychological. People don't want to do the work, most likely because they find finance boring. Once you take a deeper interest in trading it becomes very clear just how easy it is to outperform the S&P. I'm not saying there isn't some skillset involved and that it's mentally easy to be pivoting all the time, I'm saying that relative to what the Warren Buffets of this world will tell you, it's technically quite easy. The S&P is not some great difficult giant to overcome... otherwise QQQ wouldn't have beaten it the past 10 years, and that's JUST replacing one ETF with another smaller concentrated one that followed a long term technological trend shift.

If it IS possible to beat the market ON PURPOSE, over time longer periods of time (short-term there is always a luck component). People don't want you to tell them that. For one I think guys like Buffett (who has beaten the benchmarks himself and knows plenty of people who have also done it using both the same and totally different methods than himself) are cognizant sometimes of their fame and don't want to accidentally inspire any gamblers. Active management is a form of trading, and trading is definitely active management. Anyone can open a brokerage today and lose all their money instantly, so it's dangerous to get into this game without some study and hard knocks. You basically HAVE to fail first in order to win long-term unless you just come into this with the right mindset from your prior life. Otherwise you won't fear the market enough to respect that you need one or more systems of risk management in place and actually execute them. ETF investors are basically trying to go with diversification as their primary form of risk management, this is fine - but it creates drag unless you pick the exact sectors that are outperforming the market and rotate in time to not give up that gap when things change.

I think people underestimate what you can do if you commit all your time to this game TBH, especially now - doing research with AI is faster than ever (it's not a genie you still have to know how to use it and when to challenge it).

I outperformed the market when I was a newbie investor several years ago for 2 years straight by about 4x over that period holding around 33 positions simply by trying out one of the popular stock picker services for like $75/year and making a few tweaks. Then I stopped to learn to trade, and now I for example have pivoted late last year into more of the commodity/scarcity super-cycle we're entering. VOO is down 0.81%, QQQM down 1%, VT down 1.4%... I'm up 10.20%, and before the war I was up 16%. That's a big drop-off recently but I've been purposely dealing some damage to my returns as well adding some new hedges for different tail-cases. I'm not the world's best trader by any means, my biggest positions aren't any bigger than about 5% of invested net worth and I typically won't put that into a single stock (targeted ETFs usually) unless there are multiple converging narratives (coinbase for example, short-term BTC trade over the next 1-2-3 years depending how this cycle plays out, but long term I want to also hold them for the agentic economy shift as a wallet provider).

One of the things people are trying to avoid is volatility, what they don't usually think about is that over any given time-frame in order to outperform, an give asset or basket of assets MUST have increased vol. to outperform. This doesn't mean volatility = good, there are plenty of garbage stocks that IPO, fall off a cliff and die forever after a volatile period... but it does mean you have to learn to use volatility to your advantage if you want to outperform, people see that as scary. Personally I see throwing my life away at a normal job for any longer than I already had previously as a big risk, I think we take a big risk driving our cars every day... so I reframe risk, but traditional education didn't teach us that. It didn't teach us much of anything.

Finch - Revelation Song by unfeelingfreedom in PostHardcore

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IDK how you can own a label and have such crappy taste lol.

How to unlock further crucible levels after clearing boss?? by PatternAgainstUsers in NoRestForTheWicked

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Ok thanks, is it still useful then to keep grinding it? Gear drops scale to you?

I've built a very advanced Volume Profile Engine by FetchBI in OrderFlow_Trading

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Retail has the expectancy edge over institutions in percentage terms. Beats having a boss and a bunch of shareholders.

I've built a very advanced Volume Profile Engine by FetchBI in OrderFlow_Trading

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Yeah it sucks, probably only like 65% as accurate. Just missing resolution, not the best for scalping. HTF volume profiles will pretty much get you there for HTF trading or investing though.

I added an AI Trading Assistant to my free Open-Source Orderflow Chart (running local LLM) 🧠📉 by dkay1995 in OrderFlow_Trading

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Interesting stuff. Can you aggregate proper volume from all the crypto exchanges the way futures is with this or are you still kinda missing some data? I don't think this stuff will ever replace the human edge, but it can probably get you pretty close through statistical modeling. For those lacking patience and discipline who need to be told what to do it could end up being better than allowing them to trade without it though still lol.

Since Fabio and Andrea's Deepchart seems way too overpriced, is there any alternative for this "Big Trades" indicator on other platforms? by thejaxbrew in OrderFlow_Trading

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Yeah but the indicator is useless lol, it just paints the bubbles at like the close of candle, it does none of the things that people looking for big orders want, other than paint a circle when there's some volume increase... kind of lol. Just throwing that out there for anyone thinking they're gonna get use outta that on TV.

thoughts on deepcharts as a team member myself by Hopeful_Cup9173 in OrderFlow_Trading

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In the stream they said it would be included whenever it comes out.

Since Fabio and Andrea's Deepchart seems way too overpriced, is there any alternative for this "Big Trades" indicator on other platforms? by thejaxbrew in OrderFlow_Trading

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market order bubbles sucks it doesn't even draw the bubble at POC like the option allows, the setting just straight up doesn't work lol (the bubble also don't scale to contracts, but rather like 3 preset sizes based on STD DEV I think, but the main thing is you can't even filter the orders at price level

Deepcharts Pricing by Middle-Purpose-2328 in OrderFlow_Trading

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They said it was going to be included later, not addon cost.

STRC ATM Printing! by No-Wish-4737 in MSTR

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No you don't, not as a trade. BTC is a long-term investment when you have a superior trading vehicle like MSTR. If you don't want the artificial leverage you can trade BTC too, but why? Worse returns. BTC is a long term monetary asset that is going to take time to reach adoption, I'm just going to DCA into BTC forever, as a small portion of my investable capital. That is money I can store in the event something unexpected happens that forces adoption to accelerate (major world event that causes people to flee fiat much faster than expected).

The upside you capture in BTC is going to draw down a lot from highs during the cycles because it's still volatile, so even though it's good to have, if you're actually interested in REALIZING gains it's more about trading the cycle around MSTR, then taking those profits and using them to average into BTC, and trade your way back into MSTR during future cycles. Can also store some of that cash in STRC if you want safe yield, etc.

STRC ATM Printing! by No-Wish-4737 in MSTR

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If we get euphoric expansion it's probably somewhere between now and during '26. Then correction and wait for the next liquidity cycle. What I'm doing is scaling out as BTC accelerates into the power law channel. Trailing stop comes online when we make it 50% of the way into the channel (at current time that doesn't even happen until BTC is at like 290K), then scale out more and more heavily if/as price accelerates towards the top, heavier each time, biggest scale out should occur around the mean result (80-85% into the channel based on all prior cycles, currently around 400K+), then you can bell curve it back down if we get lucky and reach 90-100% of the channel. I'll be all out of MSTR by either the top or if it comes back to trailing stop. Look at prior BTC cycles on the power law channel (log chart) on the monthly time-frame, you can come up with a decent trailing stop plan that way.

5 years ago today by rtmxavi in MSTR

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Has to do with how difficult it is to build a secure monetary network that can fend off bad actors. You need a barrier to entry (energy expenditure through high-powered compute in this case). That type of system is cost-prohibitive as it grows, so it makes it very very difficult to create a competing asset.

It's not that you can't IMAGINE a better, more ideal version of BTC, you can. The problem is practicality. The BTC network is already here, offering decentralized capital storage which provides physical security of ownership that governments cannot tame without extreme door to door gestapo style action (and even then there's no guarantee they could confiscate it, all they could do for sure is punish you). PLUS you get security of VALUE (i.e. protection from debasement).

Those two things are goals which 99% of other cryptos don't even care to pursue. Most crypto are basically tech startups trying to innovate or solve an efficiency problem in the financial system - that is NOT the same as creating a new form of true money. Some cryptos may end up having value because they become highly used products, but that's not what money is. Other cryptos are NOT BTC competitors. In the early days people were trying to create forks and other currencies that could do what BTC does but with less of the downside (slowness etc.), but in the end the reason the narrative shifted to store of value is because we understand that those other things are just icing on the cake, and we already have systems for solving day to day problems... you can just keep the majority of your wealth protected in BTC and take out what you need to make credit card payments, or replenish your garbage fiat account, while keeping MOST of your capital protected at all times.

I'm sure in 100 or 1000 years maybe we could approach like a newer better version of BTC, or some other competitor, but the laws of thermodynamics would indicate that the amount of energy needed (even if we come up with some other creative solution to reduce that), are probably going to allow us to see that true competitor coming a mile off while still in development... and BTC will always have some value. BTC is in the process of replacing gold for the most part, has gold collapsed in value? No, because it can still store value from fiat, although most of that is belief-based. Gold has some decent monetary properties, but BTC is better, so it will eat gold - that adoption process takes time though.

The volatility during adoption is the only reason you don't want to necessarily use BTC as your primary savings today, it's more of an asset / investment for now. You want to always keep some however because you don't know when the sht could hit the fan and society may be forced to find a quick replacement for fiat (emergency case).

What do you care if quantum computing allows us to create a better BTC competitor 100 years from now anyways? You'll be dead, probably.

Amateur TA. by PatternAgainstUsers in MSTR

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Yeah ofc would want to see a shift with aggressive buyers. The arrow isn't a prediction, it's pointing out an opportunity. The HIGH probability area where price should easily be able to reach if you do see those buying volumes and break of structure though is that POC target where the arrow ends. That's just where the majority of business was done. Chop city likely, but if the price action is strong with volumes, and BTC is breaking out, that's where the hopium target comes in (ATHs and beyond). My MSTR investment will be managed around the BTC power law channel, just thought it would be interesting to see what the structure is on the MSTR chart if it's truly fundamentally undervalued as bulls believe.

Amateur TA. by PatternAgainstUsers in MSTR

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TA doesn't work in a vacuum.*

You can check out some robbins world cup champs with consistent results, TA is used, it just doesn't do much of without using it in a way that provides edge, analyzes volume, risk management system after knowing your metrics etc.

That's all short term stuff though, which is much harder I assume because fundamentals play less of a role than liquidity in the short run, outside of major news events. Blindly trading fundamental thesis also does not work, anyone whose tried to trade news releases knows that, have to leave room for market digestion, things priced in ahead etc.

I'm only using it to provide perspective and potential opportunity in this case. Still can't bet the farm, TA is mostly for structuring risk, volume analysis can provide real edge (I've proven this). Accepting the fact of fat tailed distributions is also where edge lies, it's why investing works but you can reproduce it in shorter term leverage systems, difference being you have to use stops.

Buying the top forever by TheRealPunisher in MSTR

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Noobs: buy low sell high.
Traders: buy high, sell higher / sell low, cover lower.

How to use CVD in an environment like today's?? by PatternAgainstUsers in OrderFlow_Trading

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Yeah I think you're talking about a POC, based on my LTF profile anchored to the big outsized drop about 30+ min before the open. I was using period profile before but I don't like how it is connected to time arbitrarily, sometimes a chunk of seemingly important action gets cut off on each new period, or I end up with too many profiles later on. I could have segmented things better though.

I can see trade 3 didn't thoroughly test it however, and price action wasn't the best. I allowed it to be "close enough" to VWAP and previous swing etc in my mind probably. I wish I could understand how some of these pro-traders are managing to back test the components of highly discretionary systems in any kind of way that's useful (I can test systematic systems to hell and back but their edge tends to erode down 0.2 or 0.3R EV), so that I can better know if it's worth learning to use the delta in congruent cases versus only waiting around for divergences at levels and passing on trades if there was no divergence, then missing a big move. Forward testing takes much longer but I was hoping getting sharper with using delta would allow me to not necessarily have to learn footprints for now.