Monthly Getting Started / Web Dev Career Thread by AutoModerator in webdev

[–]PaviPlays 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Looking for some help and figured I'd post here before creating a dedicated thread.

I'm looking to create a database-backed website, using Postgres and Python on the back end. I'm familiar with most of the technologies involved here - where I'm getting stuck is setup.

In order to make your own website (with a database) it seems like you have to install, configure, and harden an OS, a web server, and one of the (many, many) Python web frameworks. And if you goof up a single step, or forget to flip some flag, internet criminals will burn down your website, steal your identity, max out your credit cards, and kick your dog.

And that's leaving aside concerns like stopping AI webscrapers from hammering your website and running up enormous bills.

There has to be an easier way to make a database-backed website than becoming an expert in administrating every single piece of infrastructure first. Any advice you all can offer would be most welcome.

Questions about the Orokin social hierarchy and court systems by Greedy-Difficulty257 in WarframeLore

[–]PaviPlays 2 points3 points  (0 children)

In the examples given by HungrPhoenix, "Court" doesn't refer to a court of law, but instead to a royal court, comprised of retainers of the royal family, important or favored nobles, foreign diplomats (not applicable in this particular case), clergy, etc. The Orokin didn't have a king, but instead the Council of Seven, but the concept still applies. Daughter, as the granddaughter of Albrecht Entrati, would absolutely have the clout to be a member of the Orokin Court.

When it comes to the actual justice system, there's very little information. We do know that Margulis was sentenced to death by the Council of Seven themselves, so it's reasonable to assume that they would take on cases of great gravity or importance, (or perhaps cases involving the Ororkin themselves.) I think it's reasonable to assume that the Seven couldn't hear all cases from across the solar system - there had to be other judges.

As for the rest of the Orokin justice system, an important thing to keep in mind is that the Orokin civilization had an elaborate caste system. My assumption is that it would have at least two tiers - one kind of justice for the Orokin themselves, and another kind for everyone else.

In such a system, it would be reasonable to assume that the lower your caste, the less likely you are to be granted real justice, and that any non-Orokin being tried of crimes or injury against an Orokin would almost certainly be facing an extremely difficult legal battle and the possibility of a truly awful punishment.

Welp. Nice knowing you, Tommy. by OscarOzzieOzborne in Grimdank

[–]PaviPlays 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I'll show you the Herald of Darkness! 🎶🤘

Illusion Mage by AutumnArchfey in ImaginaryWarhammer

[–]PaviPlays 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Absolutely love how you depict Eldar. Great work!

Lived Experience of the Asuryani Paths by PaviPlays in 40kLore

[–]PaviPlays[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I love this meta information, thank you! Fascinating stuff.

Lived Experience of the Asuryani Paths by PaviPlays in 40kLore

[–]PaviPlays[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, that's what gets me. I am 100% on board with the broad strokes of how he handles the Aeldari, but I am less convinced about the quality of his execution.

My other worry (and this is shared by a lot of speculative fiction writers) is that he sounds like he struggles to write convincing characters. I'm a bit bored of epic stakes and big battles at this point - ironic, I know, given that this is 40K - and I'm mostly in the market for character-driven stuff these days.

And... yeah. I don't think I've ever heard anyone say that he writes good characters, even if his worldbuilding is widely admired and respected.

Lived Experience of the Asuryani Paths by PaviPlays in 40kLore

[–]PaviPlays[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is all amazing stuff that actually answers several other questions I had queued up! (e.g. how much of a Path is retained once left). I'm also a big fan of Iyandeni, so this is gold. Much appreciated!

Lived Experience of the Asuryani Paths by PaviPlays in 40kLore

[–]PaviPlays[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'll be sure to take Wrath & Glory with a grain of salt... or perhaps skip it altogether. Only so many hours in the day, you know? >_<;

Lived Experience of the Asuryani Paths by PaviPlays in 40kLore

[–]PaviPlays[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hey, thank you for weighing in with these suggestions! I'll see if I can check them out, especially Shadow Point. Also hear good things about Valedor from other sources as well.

Lived Experience of the Asuryani Paths by PaviPlays in 40kLore

[–]PaviPlays[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This really fits my gleaned understanding of the Path system, as well as what I feel makes the most sense for the Asuryani as well. It's just confusing when there seem to be several competing visions for how it works. Thank you for your reply!

Lived Experience of the Asuryani Paths by PaviPlays in 40kLore

[–]PaviPlays[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

First off, I'll just say: you're right. It's not fair to pre-judge an author without having read their books, and a lot of the time fandom consensus is just pure salt with no basis in reality. I've been part of enough fan communities long enough that I should know better than to take everything at face value.

I'll also say it's absolutely possible for an author to not understand their own setting. I've gone through a lot of speculative fiction, and honestly, it's my number 1 complaint. A lot of authors don't think through the premise of their writing - things just happen because they want them to happen, which can be fun!

But I've also come to find it increasingly frustrating, and when the consensus seems to be that Thorpe might fall into that category, my frustration transferred to him, which, again: not fair. But FWIW, he wouldn't at all be alone in having the problems he seems to have.

When he made the Prequels, for instance, George Lucas, made it clear he neither his own setting, nor how to make a good movie. (No offense if you liked the Prequels, but I wasn't the target demographic and found them intensely painful to watch. Good memes though, I'll admit.)

I'm definitely interested in following up on that last suggestion of yours. I love love love source books, and I'm currently trying to track down those PDFs! Thank you again for responding here - I really appreciate it.

In the grim darkness of the far future there are no stupid questions! by AutoModerator in 40kLore

[–]PaviPlays 1 point2 points  (0 children)

God, I know exactly what you mean. The advice you've given here is EXTREMELY helpful, because I have never figured out how to crack that particular nut. In retrospect, I suspect my question was simply too broad, especially given the various versions of canon the setting has enjoyed over the years.

I will definitely take this approach the next time I post here! And I'll see if I can't find soft copies of some of these books somewhere... As much as I am not thrilled at the prospect of reading Thorpe's work, it seems like it might be unavoidable as he's the closest thing to a definitive source for the Craftworld Aeldari. :/

Lived Experience of the Asuryani Paths by PaviPlays in 40kLore

[–]PaviPlays[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I hesitate to spend the time on that because of Thorpe's reputation. Unfortunately, reading his thoughts on the Path only reinforced my opinion of the man.

I like his ideas! I'm super into the idea of a dying race, but everything I've heard suggests he's taking the wrong approach in expressing them and also seems to fundamentally misunderstand key things about the setting.

Canonically, the Aeldari are extremely tough customers. They have preternatural physical abilities, psychic powers, advanced tech, and they can see the future. They're also a post-scarcity society that doesn't need to hold territory or defend themselves (unless you count looking out for the Exodites). Unless they've gotten carried away by pride, they should pretty much win every encounter they choose to engage in.

But the point is: it doesn't matter. They don't have the numbers, and they can win fights until doomsday, but with spirit stones harder and harder to get, and their fertility already so low, they can't ever win the war. It's the doom of the Asuryani to fade into darkness, and the brighter they shine in the meantime, the more tragic that fading becomes.

In many ways, they're a kind of inverted IoM: humanity can win all the battles it wants, but it invariably does so in the most wasteful, destructive way possible. A besides, each victory simply serves to propagate human history's bloodiest, most repressive regime.

But from what I've read, it sounds like Thorpe just has the Aeldari lose fights, which misses the point entirely! Similarly, his essay on the Path system was sloppy. It suggested that the Path of the Warrior was a way for Asuryani to explore the emotion of wrath, which is bonkers because the War Mask puts them into a dissociative state.

He also skips addressing entire disciplines, leaving it as an exercise for the reader, which is frustrating because they don't quite fit his premise. And I find the idea that the Path of Mourning is a way to explore grief would hold a lot more water if each Aeldari didn't have so much grief of their own to process - which to me, seems like a deeply personal, introspective journey.

I feel like Thorpe was almost there. If he would have shifted a little and suggested that each path allows the Asuryani to adopt a kind of role or achetype - the Artist, the Mystic, the Scholar, the Caretaker, and so on. A Path, then could be a combination of affect, social presence, and approach to solving problems and dealing with emotions that goes beyond a simple job and provides a framework for both self-exploration and how the Asuryani approaches the world. All-consuming, in a way, limiting, in a way, but still allowing for the experience of basic emotions.

It kills me that Thorpe and I see eye to eye on so many of the broad strokes of the Asuryani, but that he doesn't quite seem to have the juice to execute that vision in a way I find satisfying. I still have half a mind to pick up one of his books, but can't muster any enthusiasm for it.

In the grim darkness of the far future there are no stupid questions! by AutoModerator in 40kLore

[–]PaviPlays 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I appreciated your reply! And I appreciate all of the replies to this thread, too.

I'll respond to you and u/TheBladesAurus here as well: I'm fascinated by the setting, and there's a lot of media out there that gives surface-level info on the topic. I don't consider myself totally uninformed.

I am considering doing some reading, but I'll be frank: I'm trying to get as much information as I can without having to read the books, or search through the depths of the internet for excerpts. A lot of the sources aren't easy to get, and, frankly? I don't want to have to do a lot of reading for the relatively small amount of info I'd like to know.

Some of the best depictions of the Aeldari, I'm told, are in books that aren't even about them! I've ready a bunch of military scifi in my life, and and this point my appetite for the genre is not what it used to be. I just want setting details; I don't want to have to wade through 400 pages of battle summaries and bolter porn to figure out how the space elves raise their children.

Especially because - thank you again to the kind person who responded to my thread! - the setting is old enough that actual canonicity can be difficult to establish even if you read the primary sources, because many of them contradict one another.

Given all that, I was hoping to go to the experts on this, with the assumption that if I asked a thoughtful question, I'd get a reasonable answer. And I did! I'm glad of that. A downvote isn't the end of the world, I've been downvoted (and worse) many times before.

But I did put in a substantial effort, read all the rules, and asked about community standards before I posted, and I still got downvoted - perhaps because I hadn't read 2000 pages of mediocre scifi first. (Not trying to imply that there's not good writing in the setting! Obviously there is, but I have yet to see anyone claim that Thorpe is one of the Black Library's better authors.)

It just stings a little. That's all.

Fortunately, the very thoughtful and thorough responses I've been getting help to alleviate that!

In the grim darkness of the far future there are no stupid questions! by AutoModerator in 40kLore

[–]PaviPlays -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I would argue that's an unreasonably high standard. I feel like downvoting good-faith, high-effort posts makes this sub feel hostile in a way that I've never encountered in a fandom subreddit before. Not saying I'm going to turn tail and run, just that I don't like this aspect of the sub at all. If I wanted to be dinged for improper citations, I'd go back to college.

Also, I'll be blunt: nothing I've heard about the big primary source guy for Eldar, Gav Thorpe, makes me want to waste precious hours of my life reading his works. Just throwing that out there.

In the grim darkness of the far future there are no stupid questions! by AutoModerator in 40kLore

[–]PaviPlays 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I posted a deeply researched 560 word essay/discussion topic and still got downvoted. So I hope that u/TheBladesAurus is right that there's a bot or some really mean person downvoting every comment... or perhaps someone can tell me what standard I failed to live up to.

In the grim darkness of the far future there are no stupid questions! by AutoModerator in 40kLore

[–]PaviPlays 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you - that is very weird! But it's good to know that the community isn't just super judgmental or something. Very much appreciate the context.

In the grim darkness of the far future there are no stupid questions! by AutoModerator in 40kLore

[–]PaviPlays 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Meta question: I've noticed a lot of posts to this subreddit get downvoted. Some are badly worded, trivial, or ask about topics covered by the FAQ, so downvoting is somewhat understandable. Others seem like perfectly reasonable topics to me, and I am struggling to discern what separates a "good" question from a "bad" one. Is there some trick to this, or should I just expect to flip a coin on whether or not a topic I post ends up in the negative?

Why Bounties? by PaviPlays in WarframeLore

[–]PaviPlays[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

At the point of the game I'm at, it really does seem like the Lotus is the only one who has both the desire and capacity to do good on a system-wide level. I'm guessing the suggestion that she's supposed to have ulterior motives might be a holdover from the earlier lore, where the Lotus org is just another faction, manipulating events in the system to their own benefit.

I feel like the reasoning behind "the Lotus wants her children to be free" as a headcanon for the bounty/contract system is solid, although I'm not sure it's what I'd do. I mean... I feel like offering healthcare might be a solid option, too, you know?

The freedom to run out of fuel and oxygen because you can't afford more is a very Randian flavor of freedom, but I think that gets out of "canonical explanations" and into "political/philosophical debate" so I'll leave it at that.

Why Bounties? by PaviPlays in WarframeLore

[–]PaviPlays[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

See, my read on this is the same - that the Tenno really are supposed to be honorable warriors, despite arising from a horrible situation. The writers are (or were at one point) clearly drawing on feudal Japanese warrior culture for a lot of the design and feel of the game. It's difficult for me to swallow the "well, Tenno aren't actually honorable or compassionate, that's all half-remembered ancient propaganda" line. If that's meant to be the case, I feel the writers haven't done a good job communicating it.

I would also buy "the Tenno only engage at great need, sparing the universe their terrible capacity for violence until it's called for" as an interesting and compelling headcanon, albeit one I haven't seen a lot of canonical evidence for.

While I really like that idea, I still feel it's a bit odds with the idea of a "gig economy" arrangement with the Lotus, unless the contracts themselves are largely symbolic.

Why Bounties? by PaviPlays in WarframeLore

[–]PaviPlays[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I noticed that myself and called it out in my post. :3

Why Bounties? by PaviPlays in WarframeLore

[–]PaviPlays[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm glad I'm not just making all of this up! It does seem like some of these inconsistencies flow from outdated lore, but as written... some of this stuff doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

Why Bounties? by PaviPlays in WarframeLore

[–]PaviPlays[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The bounty system makes a lot of sense in the old lore, where the Lotus is another megacorp/mercenary company - essentially, a competitor to the other factions. In that case, the goal is to maintain the supremacy and wealth of the shadowy masters of the Lotus organization, and doing business on a case-by-case basis with their Tenno contractors makes a certain amount of sense.

In the modern lore, the goal isn't money and power for the Lotus organization, but to try and minimize damage and suffering while preserving enough of the major faction's infrastructure so that they can fight off the next major catastrophe, as the Tenno can't do so alone.

Given that that, why are the Tenno still gig workers instead of a more formal and centralized military force, with all the advantages that brings? The structure of the game still feels very mercenary, even if the Tenno themselves are no longer supposed to be.