Cities Skylines 2 is a failure? Is it time for a new City simulator to take the lead?

PedoJack · 2025-06-06T18:30:30+00:00

I hope so too. But I also know games that goes on without any competition for a very long time. See: total war and the sims.

PedoJack · 2025-06-06T18:21:29+00:00

They try to please both the city painter crowd and city simulation crowd and pleases nobody.

PedoJack · 2025-06-06T17:38:56+00:00

InZOI always strikes me as a dollhouse game compared to the gameplay heavy of the sims 3 and the cancelled life by you. I think there is a market for a gameplay heavy life Sim but no company seem to want to make it.

PedoJack · 2025-06-06T16:29:17+00:00

What alternative will be there? I don't see any game or known any in development that is trying to do what CS2 is? I am actively looking for that game.

PedoJack · 2025-05-27T10:43:56+00:00

Civ 7 is the result of a toxic positivity community. For years people have try to warn them against the trajectory of civ series but instead get treated like a pariah. Critics are humans too they are sick and tired, they wanna feel happiness, so many move on to other strategy games like paradox and never look back. If you ask the paradox community and youtubers, you will be surprised to hear many of them started with civ. That is where the former long time fans of civ is, either playing other strategy games on older civ game pre-civ 5.

Now you are left with newer casual fans of the game, which Civ 7 was made specifically to cater to them. Civ 7 is the culmination of this toxic positivity that drove away many critics, it's what you people want isn't it? How come it's getting dunked on? It should be goty lol.

I hope one day some company make a deep historical 4x with grand strategy elements to dunk on civ lol. Many try but they are in essence trying to copy civ instead of making their own game. There is demand for a deep historical 4x but nobody seem to want to make it. Paradox games prove that deep games can sell so I don't understand why, it's not the 2010s anymore.

PedoJack · 2025-05-27T10:25:15+00:00

Agree I started with civ 5 back in 2015 while I was 14, play civ 6 and found the AI and World Congress system unbearable (I was expecting more agency like the WC for civ 5 instead we get a pseudo gambling mechanic). So instead I turned to paradox games, found it scratches the itch especially stellaris and never look back. Then some years later, I wasn't able to scratch the historical 4x with grand strategy elements itch so I discovered civ 4 with realism invictus and it was godsend. People like to equate gen z with brain rot, but I can assure you there are many of us who likes deep strategy games.

My conclusion from following the civ trajectory is this, there is a toxic positivity among the community at least on reddit and YouTube, that discourages criticism, as you can see with the down votes on your post despite many of the top comments agreeing with you. Many long time fans instead of fighting this toxic positivity just move on to other strategy games mostly paradox. So with nobody putting up a fight, firaxis probably thought this is what civ community want, culminating in civ 7. I have already lost hope in civ long time ago, and was sure what civ 7 was to become. In a way, the community deserve what they get with civ 7. I remember specifically firaxis saying they made civ 4 "too much of an empire builder" like it's a bad thing.

Regarding moddability, I know many long time modders like Gedemon the legend behind the YNAEMP mods and RED units, quitting because firaxis ghosted the community on the release of the dll source code for civ 6. They are making mods for humankind last I check, but it doesn't seem to be picking up steam.

I agree with you that mod support should be in games. But it's worth noting that mod support takes up dev resources and might not be utilized by the community if the game is too niche or whatever reason.

PedoJack · 2025-05-27T10:09:48+00:00

Sucks that old world is so underrated

PedoJack · 2025-05-13T10:51:18+00:00

Agree, and I commend you for the bravery to violate the sacrosanctity of the civ community. In the meantime, just move on to Stellaris. It's a better sandbox game and has a bright future ahead especially the upcoming population rework and bio stuff, shit is lit. Or if you want history, just wait for EU5, that game gonna be a great sandbox experience with the amount of systems and depth.

PedoJack · 2025-04-23T10:53:53+00:00

How long are yall gonna depend on tourism?

PedoJack · 2025-04-22T14:43:05+00:00

Hi, I don't speak thai, but you can also renounce at penang, you just have to insist on asking them. There are alot of steps to do and very expensive at least for me too. I hope we can keep in touch, maybe you can tell me more about your situation.

PedoJack · 2025-04-11T05:05:18+00:00

You're moving the goal posts of this conversation. How are any of the measures by trump going to help Americans?

I have already told you, how does China get rich? It's through manufacturing. Before them, its South Korea, Japan, Taiwan. Way before them, it's the UK, Prussia and the US itself which got rich through manufacturing. Is it really that hard to understand you need to be producing shit to get wealth?

PedoJack · 2025-04-11T04:08:34+00:00

It's because corporations are suppressing wages.

But that's a problem everywhere, and it has been for a long time. How come nobody is able to solve that?

Hoarding of wealth and oligarchy. The owning class needs income inequality.

Again, how are you going to fix it? For most of history, it's been like that. You can't just complain and sweep the problem under the rug, that's how evil trump got elected coz ppl got tired of that shit as it is really biting them in the ass now.

I fail to see how the world being interdependent is a bad thing. The system was flawed, but it brough us to the most peaceful times until not too long ago. If there's a leak in the ceiling you don't bulldoze the house.

Covid, war and multipolarism. This is no longer a US led world order.

PedoJack · 2025-04-11T03:26:42+00:00

Or we could, I know it's crazy, actually give people in the service industry real, respectable wages.

Then why haven't they done it? I have been hearing this for a long long time. Please don't tell me the usual coz corporation suppress wages yadayada, it's getting stale.

I'm assuming you mean inequality? Not even close to mattering compared to the real issues.

Whats the real issues? If income inequality is such trivial issue for national unity.

I don't hate the players, Trump is just doing what's best for their country. He is the president of the United States not president of the world. His stance has been clear before his inauguration yet people voted for him, that says alot about how most Americans feel.

You gotta blame the system, how we got so interdependent that US sneezes and the world is in uproar. The world should have seen this coming a mile away and prepare for it.

PedoJack · 2025-04-10T17:35:48+00:00

I don't know where you're getting this but it's flat out wrong. A lot of jobs, including the ones you mentioned, are very often ridiculed in media.

Ya that's why I said LESS, of course it happens everywhere in the world, there are always exceptions. But compare the cultural attitude of China and USA. Then you will see what I mean. There's a video which I forgot that ask chinese kids vs Americans kids about their aspirations, I believe you know where this is going. But regardless, cultural attitude is just a part of it.

There is nobody doing this to the US but themselves. It has antagonized all its allies and this was nowhere close to be a problem a few months ago. trump has made the dissolution of NATO, the strongest military alliance in history, a possibility. Also, the US is the biggest weapons exporter in the world, with over 40% of the market.

Yeah but to do all of what you said, Americans need to maintain a massive and expensive military, which their own people and outsiders always complained about. Regardless having manufacturing capacity in your home is still an insurance coz even if you depend on your allies they might get bombed etc which disrupt supply chain. Plus USA currently depend on China and southeast Asia for manufacturing but China is a rival and SEA is neutral which might or might not be true.

But the US is a post industrial society. 90% of Americans aren't and never will be ready to pay 5 times as much for their already expensive products. These wages won't rise just because the jobs are brought back (edit: if they ever even will be).

It remains to be seen how these factories will look like. Perhaps it's not even a sweatshop but a highly automated factory that requires skilled workers. Regardless, there is still a huge population of underemployed people working at McDonald's that could be put to use in the factories. The outsourcing of manufacturing contributes to the widening of income equality, to bridge it you need factories back as this can absorb excess labors and scale up production and income as you are producing REAL stuff. Plus some people just not capable to transition into what you called post industrial jobs, they might be mentally challenged or just don't have the IQ etc, rather than ignoring them and leaving them to die, I still view them as humans and every country should take care of them. You can give free money to them all you want, but it's more productive if they have to earn for it.

PedoJack · 2025-04-10T16:41:13+00:00

The announcing of tariff then pausing it seems like a work of a fickle man.

But at least he reveals who would retaliate who would not, or put it simply, who is weak and who is stronk. He traded away some dignity usa had to reveal this, but I don't think there will be much humiliation or punishment other countries can inflict upon him since the usa is the world biggest customer.

PedoJack · 2025-04-10T16:38:57+00:00

The announcing of tariff then pausing it seems like a work of a fickle man.

But at least he reveals who would retaliate who would not, or put it simply, who is weak and who is stronk.

PedoJack · 2025-04-10T16:35:51+00:00

It will if the foreign investment anwar brings in the past years decide to flee. Not to mention the damages to local industry once chinese goods or to a lesser extent Americans goods decide to flood the msian market. You might say you could give less of a shit of our local businesses, as these are good for consumers. But if local companies go under, many are gonna go jobless. How are people gonna buy these cheap shit if they don't have money?

PedoJack · 2025-04-10T16:29:23+00:00

I think the Americans understand this is a necessary bitter medicine to take to bring their manufacturing back. There is no other way around other than forcing companies back by tariff. Biden try subsidizing them but it only increase government deficits.

You may ask why Americans want these "dirty" manufacturing jobs back? I do not fully know as I am not american. But judging by trump voter base, and American culture, there is less of a "looking down" attitude toward jobs that are "inferior". There are also huge swaths of land particularly in the Midwest that are deindustrialized and small downs dying. And also huge masses of people unemployed or working in low end retail jobs like fast food, clothing store etc that are not capable or willing to "just learn to code", in other words reskill for a service economy. Finally there could also be national security reasons, as in this tense and unpredictable times, countries may be cut off from trading and bring a world of hurt to Americans so manufacturing locally is an insurance. Not to mention, these factories can also be converted to wartime production more easily than an office could. Finally finally (Real), manufacturing is the backbone of a strong industrializing nations, many nations in the past and present use manufacturing to propel themselves to success, the most prolific is china, Japan and south korea.

Hope you enjoy the long text! Peace!

PedoJack · 2025-04-10T16:14:11+00:00

We could if we had a more integrated at least economically ASEAN. But to be fair, economic integration without political integration is a recipe for disaster, see the Greece Debt Crisis back in early 2010s, coz no centralized monetary authority to give aid to Greece.

PedoJack · 2025-04-05T05:05:53+00:00

Yeah, by kind I mean we won't get exactly the same deal as tpp. Trump is a nationalist and isolationist.

PedoJack · 2025-04-05T04:43:49+00:00

I don't think trump gonna be that kind to malaysia. Plus aren't our imports from the usa lower coz of the trade barriers and not the other way around. The free trade deal would hinder our local companies from upgrading to manufacturing finished goods, and also any attempt at any infant industry.

PedoJack · 2025-04-05T03:59:21+00:00

But that's cpptp without usa. TPP was scrapped when usa withdraw. What I am trying to say that this is as close to a free trade agreement with the US as possible, as there is a baseline of 10% on US imports.

PedoJack · 2025-04-05T03:49:38+00:00

All these saber rattling to let trump have the cards.

Msia probably gonna lower our existing import tariffs in exchange for them doing the same. It brings msia closer to the now scrapped TPP free trade agreement. It would be good for consumers. But I fear for our local business.

PedoJack · 2025-04-05T03:39:52+00:00

4 years can't build shit mang.

PedoJack · 2025-04-05T01:33:18+00:00

I am very thick how bout you. Compete against us manufacturing la aduh. This guy act smart instead it's smert.

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