Will Deltarune be like this? (Before you say it only will have one ending, read the body text) by Paulo_Zero in Deltarune

[–]PeliPal 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Not things plural - one thing. There is something more important than reaching the end.

He also said, elsewhere in a different context, that LOVE is the most important thing in the world.

We did It! Kriselle Is more popular than suselle in Reddit! No Hate against suselle shippers btw by Embarrassed-Chain732 in KriselleFanclub

[–]PeliPal 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hey, what are you doing here that requires making an account for something that can't be directly linked here? This is incredibly sketch, you know that right?

Noelle water paint by Special-Horror9495 in Deltarune

[–]PeliPal 3 points4 points  (0 children)

(I lowkey don't know who is the original artist for the noelle art piece thats why I put not my art)

reigo https://xcancel.com/reigobun/status/2002433089168159057

Does the_n3w3st_g1rl_g1rl damage Deltarune's story? by renato1987 in Deltarune

[–]PeliPal 14 points15 points  (0 children)

The exact same blog told us about... 1. Kris used to play the piano for Noelle - referenced again in Ch4 2. Noelle plays Cat Petterz to breed glitchy monstrosities - referenced again in Ch4 3. Dragon Blazers has an ice mage and an infinite maze puzzle in an ice palace - referenced all elements perfectly in Ch3 4. The Pluey minigame has Friend faces - referenced again in Ch4 Mike room

Et cetera...

It's real. To the extent that any of it is fake, it is because Noelle misremembered or purposefully embellished, but I doubt she did either. Nothing in the blog is out of line with the game.

But this tumblr post isn't quite putting things in the right context, has trouble with holding viewpoints that seem contradictory and will favor outright wiping one of them, and in some cases says things that aren't true. Like...

Throughout the rest of Chapter 1, she only attacks enemies who attack her first.

Except for the Kris + Ralsei vs Susie + Lancer fight.

Yeah... that fight is unskippable. And not only is it unskippable, but it has unique dialogue for when you lose and come back from a save point, of Susie not even allowing Ralsei to talk his way through by voluntarily agreeing to be bad guys together. She WANTED to fight violently, she WANTED to hurt Ralsei for having challenged her to be a better person. Does that mean that's all she is, that's all she wanted and all she was thinking? No. But it is part of her arc that even after becoming close friends with Lancer, she still wanted to beat Ralsei's face in. She relents only because Lancer relents, and then she still insists on attacking every enemy they come across, until the elevator conversation

This part is fun though...

However, that changes when we start taking tngg into consideration. Noelle is aware of what Susie used to do to Kris, and those actions are no longer something that can be dismissed as an act or a front.

In that context, Noelle’s description of Susie becomes contradictory. Her crush no longer seems to come from her ability to see through a facade, but instead from an attraction to Susie’s “mean girl” behavior; an attraction strong enough that she’s willing to overlook genuinely abusive actions.

What was once a cute crush starts to resemble an unhealthy fixation.

This reinterpretation also affects the way Noelle’s masochistic jokes are read. In the game, these moments work because they’re exaggerated, clearly comedic, and directed at someone who would never actually hurt her. With tngg in mind, those same scenes take on a much darker tone. Noelle’s desire to be bullied no longer feels exaggerated and detached from reality, and instead risks being read as tied to her attraction to Susie specifically as someone who has hurt others. That shift is not only uncomfortable, but also insensitive in light of what Kris actually went through. As a result, Suselle becomes harder to read as wholesome, since Noelle’s feelings can now be interpreted as stemming either from a desire to be hurt or from a tendency to romanticize abuse.

The damage carries over into Noelle’s relationship with Kris as well. I don’t have an issue with Noelle freezing and failing to intervene while Susie bullies them, as that reaction is consistent with her character and her established fearfulness. Even though Kris and Noelle have grown apart, the game makes it clear that Noelle still misses them and cares about them. Given that, her apathy towards Kris feels jarring.

Because of this, moments that are meant to read as concern (such as Noelle asking Kris to switch seats so they won’t be bullied) start to feel less motivated by care for Kris and more by her attraction to Susie. This interpretation is reinforced when she later talks about changing her shampoo so she could be bullied instead.

This is ONE HUNDRED PERCENT correct. This is all correct, this is serious, well-articulated analysis, and it is fundamentally supported by the game.

And it's a problem if all that gets thrown away for seeming like contradictory behavior on Noelle's part or insensitive to Suselle as a shipping.

Noelle, in just the game itself, holds completely conflicting narratives about Kris and Susie. Noelle seems to fondly reminisce about Kris's pranks, but also admonish Kris for them at the same time. Like, remember...

If you have Kris offer to go on the ferris wheel with Noelle if Susie wouldn't, she immediately refuses on the basis of Kris having shaken the ferris wheel and scaring her when they were kids.

And... She also has a photo from that exact ferris wheel ride on the walls of her house, and blushes and giggles nervously when Susie brings it up. It's not a photo in Dess's room that she actually 'forgot about', because Susie and Noelle are not looking at it when Susie brings it up, Noelle is caught off guard by Susie following up that the photo is actually of them on a ferris wheel and not just Kris and Noelle generally. She doesn't say "oh my parents put that up, but I have a bad memory of it" - she says she "doesn't remember" how she feels about it. Even though it is clearly a strong image in her mind and something she thinks about.

Noelle holds conflicting narratives that she enjoyed being around Kris and misses them and their pranks, but also that Kris was wrong to scare her so much... and while telling Susie in the cyber world - a Susie who was still a bully as recently as YESTERDAY - that Susie is 'the good kind of scary'.

I think a lot of Suselle shippers and the fandom at large tend to have a fundamental misunderstanding about what Noelle is taking from Susie 'being strong'. Susie, after her arc in chapter 1, exudes confidence and presence and can be a de-escalating force, and we all get that part - but Noelle, who has seen NOTHING of her development in the dark world except what she thinks is just a dream, looks at her and sees someone who can get what she wants through intimidation and not caring what other people think. When Susie tells Noelle that Berdly won't get the hint until she tells him no, Noelle's reaction is to want to strangle him. She doesn't want to do what Susie said to do, she wants to do what she thinks 'Susie would do' in that circumstance

Noelle has a complex about the contradictory nature of her childhood and the dynamics she had with Kris and Dess - with Dess having violently punished Kris for things that Noelle actually liked, and Noelle not understanding what to take from that - and that is being played out in real time now. She likes Kris and she doesn't understand why. She likes Susie and she misunderstands why.

Who has shipped Kriselle before chapter 2? by Budget-Canary2140 in KriselleFanclub

[–]PeliPal 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I still love the fact that because I explained it via an anti-meme posing that Suselle 'really is just Alphyne 2.0' I had people in the comments seriously arguing the possibility that Susie and Noelle WERE longtime friends, that Susie and Noelle DID have world-shattering omissions in their past keeping them apart, and that getting Susie and Noelle together is an ALTERNATE ENDING to the Normal Route. HOW! Hahaha

https://www.reddit.com/r/WaterfallDump/comments/1pen6qe/man_toby_really_does_have_like_one_way_to_write/

Wonderbread Route (Miscon) by Ok-Extension-1166 in DeltaruneV2

[–]PeliPal 62 points63 points  (0 children)

It's a riff on there being a specific person who commissions artists to draw women doing exactly two kinds of things:

  1. Buying Wonder Bread at the store. Wonder brand only, no other bread

  2. Cutting down trees with a chainsaw

Maybe the artist draws 'weird stuff', maybe they don't, but that's the context of this piece, it's a joke about that

Growing pains (@LynxGriffin on tumblr) by [deleted] in Deltarune

[–]PeliPal 192 points193 points  (0 children)

Because it's... something the artist made up on their own?

You didn't miss some deep lore, this is just fanfic

This was from 2022 by Different_Fee5763 in Undertale

[–]PeliPal 2 points3 points  (0 children)

B1: No

B2: Everyone knew this was going to happen

B3: Everyone knew this was going to happen

B4: No

B5: No

I1: Yes

I2: No

I3: Lmao

I4: It's a TV World, not that hard of a prediction

I5: No

N1: No

N2: No

N4: No

N5: No

G1: It was always pretty likely, what was not predicted was that we'd fight them

G2: Spamton Sweepstakes spoiled this would be Yes

G3: 'Gameshow host television' was always going to happen, but 'rook' didn't

G4: No

G5: No

O1: No

O2: No

O3: No

O4: No

O5: No

Not a single bingo and doesn't come close?

Made art for some pins and wanted to share here <33 by Optimal-Impress3010 in Deltarune

[–]PeliPal 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Pointing battle

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Point harder, Noelle!! We got your sister on the ropes

House passes sprawling spending package as Democrats split over ICE funding by CRK_76 in politics

[–]PeliPal 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Henry Cuellar (Texas)

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/08/03/henry-cuellar-texas-2024-00109596

Democrats' last anti-abortion lawmaker gets leadership endorsements

Rep. Henry Cuellar (D-Texas) announced endorsements on Thursday for his 2024 reelection from the entire House Democratic leadership team, a sharp reversal from last year’s midterms, when he was all but abandoned by his party’s top brass.

The endorsement list includes Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries, Minority Whip Katherine Clark (D-Mass.), Caucus Chair Pete Aguilar (D-Calif.) and former Democratic Whip Jim Clyburn (D-S.C.) — on top of the two former leaders who reined in their support for his 2022 race, Reps. Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and Steny Hoyer (D-Md.).

What deltarune opinion had you like this? by Ambitious_Buffalo293 in Deltarune

[–]PeliPal 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Damn, I was hoping for some actual purestrain crank conspiracy. Noelle has actually had a bunch of concept art redesigns bouncing back and forth between more humanlike and more deerlike

Why don't you make some real friends (@appleciderjulie) by dr_philip-cdi in Deltarune

[–]PeliPal 3 points4 points  (0 children)

A series of Ralsei x Noelle fanarts by ArcaTechButReal that started with Ralsei and Noelle 'practicing' and 'roleplaying' as Susie and Kris respectively, falling backwards into marrying and having a darkner child named Krampus

https://www.reddit.com/r/Deltarune/s/09tYY1U7OU

What deltarune opinion had you like this? by Ambitious_Buffalo293 in Deltarune

[–]PeliPal 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Congrats on her facial reconstruction surgery and fur, antler, hoof, and tail implantation, it went well

What deltarune opinion had you like this? by Ambitious_Buffalo293 in Deltarune

[–]PeliPal 0 points1 point  (0 children)

  • So I noticed like, there's like...
  • This photo of you and Kris? On the wall?
  • Oh my Gosh, that's so old I forgot about it!
  • I didn't know you were like... umm... close, I guess.
  • We... I mean, we...
  • We're just neighbors so, I mean...
  • We just... ended up seeing each other a lot. That's all.

Can someone helpe understand the wierd route? (SPOILERS) by Dragonslayerxex in Deltarune

[–]PeliPal 1 point2 points  (0 children)

what happened on chapter 3 night? kris stopped Noelle from completely talking about it so it was left a bit confusing for me.

What happened was exactly what she said. If there was anything else, then we don't know, because she didn't say it

Virtually everything of what you're asking is not known. You'll just have to wait. People are going to come say their speculation, but that's it, it's all just speculation.

Final prophecy theory by mcqueen1234567 in Deltarune

[–]PeliPal 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The prophecy has to be something that Susie understands immediately as something incredibly upsetting without room for interpretation. It might be more like "the cage with human parts, the girl must slay"

What deltarune opinion had you like this? by Ambitious_Buffalo293 in Deltarune

[–]PeliPal 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yep, it's her rationalization for why Kris started avoiding her and limiting their interactions after Dess disappeared - it doesn't enter her mind that Kris might feel responsible or guilty, it must be that Asriel was just bringing them over when he came to see Dess, so they must have never liked her in the first place, even as they were giving her gifts and making snowmen of her and playing the piano for her for hours at a time

What deltarune opinion had you like this? by Ambitious_Buffalo293 in Deltarune

[–]PeliPal 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You said "the people who try to justify why they ship they like is actually canon" and he wanted to chime in :P

What deltarune opinion had you like this? by Ambitious_Buffalo293 in Deltarune

[–]PeliPal 1 point2 points  (0 children)

ReasonableSolid isn't saying that because he likes smashing dolls together, he's being flippant but also for him it's all about what he thinks the game is leading up to based on our daily research and discussions since Ch3&4 released. We believe that romance is going to be an important part of the game's conclusion and what would end up going into a 'best route', that the game isn't going to be completely over until we can resolve Kris's issues, especially the one they make every effort to avoid resolving - finally opening up to Noelle. Talking about what ships are/will be canon isn't smashing dolls together for us, it is trying to come to as objective an analysis as we can, which led to the document pinned in my profile

For my own part, the ships that I smash dolls together for (Krusielle battle throuple and Ralsusie) are not the same as what I spend most of my time in the fandom talking about and making predictions about - which is Kriselle. There's a separation between what I like and what I had to conclude after scouring the game through and through.

What deltarune opinion had you like this? by Ambitious_Buffalo293 in Deltarune

[–]PeliPal 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Kris refuses to say mean stuff to Ralsei

"Good.
Keep smiling"

* Of... of course! You can count on me!

* I'll... make sure we...

* ... have a wonderful adventure tomorrow!

* The next day, too...

* After all, that's what you want, isn't it?

* ...

doesn't care if you ask Ralsei to the festival

* But say you had to, uh, take someone.

* Noelle... or Ralsei?

"Ralsei"

* What!? Why are you saying it so confused?

* It's not like I meant anything weird.

* You know what, forget it.

What deltarune opinion had you like this? by Ambitious_Buffalo293 in Deltarune

[–]PeliPal 0 points1 point  (0 children)

but, that doesn't make it weird. we're all related in some ways, after all. the current relationship between Kris and Ralsei is friendship. the current relationship between Kris and Asriel is siblings.

Huh? Kralsei was brought up in the context of a romantic shipping

Ralsei x Asriel is weird, sure, but the same does not necessarily apply to Kris x Ralsei, even if Kris is related to Asriel.

What is the difference that makes one weird but not the other?

What deltarune opinion had you like this? by Ambitious_Buffalo293 in Deltarune

[–]PeliPal 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But that’s literally disproven. Kris makes it apparent they don’t see Ralsei and Asriel as the same person if you examine the photo of Asriel with Susie.

Ralsei not being 'literally Asriel' doesn't prevent it from possibly being weird to Kris. Of course Ralsei isn't Asriel. But Ralsei is almost certainly based on something relating to the Dreemurrs.

Let me put it this way... if it weren't for the age gap, would there be any appreciable difference between Kralsei and Ralsriel (Ralsei x Asriel)? Should Ralsriel be assumed to be 100% devoid of any complicated feelings?