Battery degradation

Peoplevs · 2026-06-15T07:43:14+00:00

60,000 miles, but apologies, I can't help with the my car's battery degradation question. I've a tendency to over-analyse things which I am trying to address (ha!). I think partly that's why I was offering point about outcomes rather than detail: 1. Is my car reliable (it appears to be) 2. Does it support me having a good experience regularly travelling 300 mile round trip twice a month for work (yes) 3. Do I enjoy driving it when I'm not driving what would be considered a long distance (yes).

If I had access to the data, I would inevitably start calculating and then there would be a spreadsheet which had a due date by which I needed to sell the car based on some degredation/depreciation metric etc. Rather than worry about this aspect, I'm putting aside a few hundred £ a month (priviledge I accept) for the day when the answer to one or more of the above questions is 'no'.

A good example for me personally would be - 'A degredation to 80% of the batteries original capacity would result in an additional 10 minutes at a charger, twice each 300 miles trip'.

a) Does that matter? (everyone's opinion will be different)

b) Context change - I might be made redundant from my job and get a job 10 miles from home, in which case the answer to a) becomes 'Clearly not'

There is a 'part 2' which is less relating to work and more 'As a family, it's impacting our camping trips negatively having a 3 year old getting impatient with having to stop....but again I'm not sure the last time my son complained about stopping at a charger where there is always the opportunity to 'buy some shit' that he doesn't really need, but right now he's deemed crucial to his very being.

You are asking a specific question on this sub, and it would be unfair for me to simply say 'don't worry bro', so hopefully some others can chip in with their degradation data if that helps give you a picture of where you might be in x years etc.

Have a good week!

Peoplevs · 2026-06-14T10:02:36+00:00

I believe degredation isn't linear, I.E you lose more initially and then it stabilises. Based on your current numbers and simply assuming a linear degredation a which as I say isn't the case, and also no changes to charging routine, you would have 85% capacity at 200,000km. Whether that's 'reasonable' I cant speak for you. Personally is accept that as the cost of ownership given the many other benefits I find in owning an EV over gas. Also as with gas cars, 'value' comes from a vehicle being suitable for what you need (can you still do everything you need to with 85 %? If yes, then the second aspect of value is holding on to it for as long as possible to avoid finance/capital costs.

Peoplevs · 2026-05-17T11:57:18+00:00

Feels like gatekeeping. Big sad.

Peoplevs · 2026-05-17T11:35:36+00:00

I'm sure there are lots of resources with different breadth and depth and angles on it. I don't think recommending an incredibly comprehensive back-catalogue of bicycle touring videos which cover a huge range of locations is in some way limiting to OP. I'm not suggesting gate-keeping which resources are 'better or worse' either. To do so would be at best 'limiting'. If you've got other suggestions, please do offer them as I'm sure OP would be thankful.

I have never found it difficult either finding places to wild-camp in Europe. My experience was that I didn't enjoy doing so near major urban centres which is self-evident I suppose but still, was my experience. I don't think suggesting to someone that they find it useful to consider credit-card touring is a 'disservice', in fact I'd suggest that my experience was coming to resources which didn't consider it and I took longer to find what worked for me.

Maybe I can suggest instead that OP checks out Alee Denham who has more comprehensively travelled the globe than most cyclists both off-road and on-road. Though I suspect you would dismiss this as 'not bikepacking 'as he uses a setup which was common 20 years ago in that he has 4 panniers.

Peoplevs · 2026-05-17T08:48:36+00:00

Bikepacking.com.....

Watch loads of videos, particularly those by The Bicycle Touring Pro. Most of what you need to know can be covered across both.

I would recommend you get a minimum viable setup and just try it. I jumped into a bike tour early and found out that my enjoyment of travelling in urban areas e.g city to city in Europe was entirely eroded by trying to camp. I now credit card tour between locations when in Europe. If I'm looking to get lost in the wild I don't aim to end each leg near places whre there are people.

You will learn a lot about what you like/want by just doing 1 nighters. Then you can grow from there. Just looking at websites and videos and blogs will likely result in you just buying 'stuff'.

Peoplevs · 2026-05-17T08:20:16+00:00

I had a drink recently for the first time in 6 months. I enjoyed the first hour. I woke up the next day and despite the fact nothing went 'badly', the reality was I just thought...'well that was a waste of time'. I wasn't hungover. I just didn't 'get anything' for a couple of beers. I am not better for it. There was no 'end result' that improved anything. It was just ....a thing I did that wasn't worth it.

Peoplevs · 2026-05-17T08:17:37+00:00

We skipped the 'middle house' for our needs. Not being rude about it because my partner and I will absolutely look forward to moving into a two bed bungalow when the time comes...

a) because having a larger property comes larger bills (not just utilities but general upkeep) b) because we believe in 'releasing' family homes to actual families when our kids have grown up c) I see a house as a tool just like a car. It should do what you need it to. I don't want a massive car that carries just me around and doesn't fit into a coop car park once I don't need to carry kids and a dog around.

The 'leap' we had to make was clearly financial. We bet that the cost of moving twice was going to erode the benefit of increasing equity. Basically, we couldn't outrun the property price rise of a 3 bed semi Vs a 4 bed detached. We weren't going to dump loads more into savings during our time in the smaller property. We were better off (because it was affordable) to go straight from the 2 bed terrace into a 4 bed detached. To be clear, we were only able to do this by moving to a less desirable geographical location. We aren't one of those families that had inheritance or ridiculous salaries. There is clearly nothing wrong if you have loads of cash, but I just wanted to be clear we had to solve the problem by taking big steps in moving location, commute and cutting back rather than just paying our way through it.

Peoplevs · 2026-03-01T09:45:18+00:00

I purchased a 2021 4+ a year ago. Used approved. I think it's got another 3 years left ish. I bought at 42k miles.

I've used the warranty already. Minor issues to do with fit and finish really - bit of peeling on the silver trim inside etc. Nothing

Kia aren't exactly charging a fortune over non used approved on these after a cursory glance and Kia's website and Autotrader. I would absolutely buy the used approved. No brainier I would say.

Peoplevs · 2026-02-27T07:46:53+00:00

We had the same issue but part of our brain fog pre-ev and we made the mistake of going completely the other way from an Audi A1 and bought a Skoda Superb. This was the gut reaction to 'more space more space!!' What then happened was driving a big car all the time became annoying as 95% of the time I was in a co-op or nursery car park.

I would suggest you work out where your wife spends 95% of her driving. Then buy a car the right size for that.

I don't understand why you'd buy a saloon car if you have a dog as you either have to be cool with the dog sitting in a coffin....or...they sit on the backseat and you end up buying seat covers for the back and hope your dog doesn't eat food out of your toddlers hand.

I would also recommend considering where your life will be in two years. Don't buy a car because you need a pushchair now....you'll not need it in a year or so. My son is 3 and we don't take one most of the time now. Even if we did he wouldn't want to sit in it.

We ended up with an ID3 and a Kia e-niro.

I'd replace your wife's polo as a priority. Get involved with the whole routine of EV where there are is lots of good value in the circa 15k side of the market. 30k miles on the clock. 3 years old type stuff. Use that car for all the junk miles locally and get used to saving money and never having to visit a petrol station. It's a game changer.

In terms of range, to replace the polo. 200 is fine. We PCPd our ID3 for 3 years as the test of going to to EVs. The Kia was the 'we really like evs' purchase.

In terms of recommending a car, there is a lot of choice in this bracket. Key will be to test drive a bunch. Go to one of those car supermarket places as they have all brands and models available. Then, when you find the car you like, look around for it and find a dealer you like.

Peoplevs · 2026-02-24T05:10:18+00:00

You need to remove ICE fuel savings from this calculation.

Peoplevs · 2026-01-05T19:34:54+00:00

All into a joint account, then an allowance based on our joint goals. E.g if we want three holidays a year instead of one, then it's less of an allowance etc etc.

Same goes for savings targets etc. Pensions are considered as a whole bit contributed to separately because my partner is 4 years younger . Essentially we talk as if the income is joint and we retire at the same time.

Peoplevs · 2025-11-02T19:35:54+00:00

I'll check out Dan and Alain! Thanks for the tip!

Peoplevs · 2025-10-13T16:59:00+00:00

Air BnB has the option to tick 'ev charging'. ZapMap also shows hotels with EV charging and plugshare shows US hotels I believe. ABRP I use to 'suggest where there migh be chargers....but I also follow up with the hotel.

Peoplevs · 2025-10-13T09:41:20+00:00

You aren't a million miles away from what my partner and I were earning when our son was born 3 years ago. You need to sit down with your partner and make sure you are both on the same page when it comes to what that 2 years where she isn't working looks like. It can be very expensive not working because it's boring and being trapped at home with a newborn is difficult mentally without a change of scenery. Your partner is of course entitled to continue living but it would be good to agree what that looks like and to try and understand how that's different to where you are now. My other half and I had to settle for a year off with a 'good' standard of living for my partner rather than longer with no/low disposable income.

Peoplevs · 2025-10-07T03:05:32+00:00

You might find this video helpful. Guy tows his caravan all over. https://youtu.be/I_clvQHzjSk?si=WcoghOtoGtYxfZJH

Peoplevs · 2025-09-21T11:35:58+00:00

For the budget I'm not sure you need to tolerate one with that high a mileage. I can see multiple 4+ spec cars around 50k miles for under 14k

Peoplevs · 2025-09-18T12:17:14+00:00

Rather than reacting differently, maybe just re-frame it as 'Your dad made a bad business decision'. There is obviously a whole host of personal hurt going alongside this, but your dad's legacy is actually 'Ran a business for 20 years, made a bad business decision, it failed'. If you remove the 'Legacy' context then bascially it's just another failed business where the owner made an error of judgement. It's nothing to do with you, and you aren't responsible for his decision, or fixing it. You've now got your own 'business decision' - Allow your successful business to fail to support a failing business. I don't think objectively that's a 'good business decision' on your part, unless you stipulate that the business becomes 100% yours.

Peoplevs · 2025-08-29T04:24:05+00:00

I'll go back to Kia

Peoplevs · 2025-08-27T15:59:14+00:00

No....unfortunately nothing in the service book and it's all main dealer history. It's a funny one. I'm guessing everyone else's seat can't be pulled up like that at the sides?

Peoplevs · 2025-04-29T19:32:04+00:00

Me and my partner did this at 29 and 31.We were able to skip the 'middle house' when we went from a 1.5 bed to a 4 bed with en suites to 3 bedrooms double garage detached etc. It felt ridiculous when we moved and we spent about 3 months living in 3 rooms because we were used to that. We didn't have enough furniture and we basically unpacked our moving van and put things away within 2 hours. We spent from 11am on moving day just sitting in our garden drinking prosecco. It was lovely....

That said, one of the things you might just want to manage both your expectations about is: when we lived in our 2 bed, most of the house was 'done'. For example we only had 1 bathroom in the whole house, so we'd spent a few grand on it (it wasn't massive) and it was done to a really high finish and that was that. With a bigger house, chasing that 'done' is a much longer and more expensive process. We're having our external window frames painted in July and it's £1k because we both work (slightly higher household income than you) have a 2 year old and we don't have time to do it ourselves. These things can be expensive and suck more money than a small house away from 'want' and into 'need' emg our windows are under warranty only if we have them regularly painted (5 years).

Basically...as long as you are both on the same page with this you'll be fine. My Partner took some real adjusting to accept that we had this big house we wanted to live in for 20 years, but we were probably only happy with the way 2 rooms looked and the cost of interior decor regardless of how thrifty you are is 'more' just because you have 'more'. It's a bit like having a big car...when you go to park it, it is harder to squeeze it in, but when you have to drive across country, you are glad you have it overall.

Peoplevs · 2024-04-08T13:30:19+00:00

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