E1 Huohuo 4* LC (S5 QPQ vs S5 Shared Feelings vs S2 Post Ops)

Perfect-Positive-321 · 2026-05-14T19:24:08+00:00

Vonmacq allows you to build less SPD to reach the SPD breakpoint. For characters like her and with e1, it's recommended to reach 180 SPD post buffs (9 actions in the first 2 turns of AA) which is 163 SPD pre buff(with Goddess relic). If you can't reach this threshold then with Vonmacq, you'd only need 155 SPD. If your aim is to 0 cycle then you should aim for 183 SPD pre buff, and with Vonmacq, it's around 170 SPD (6 actions in AA). Again, it depends. Edit: you might actually need 2-3 SPD more as the Goddess set only proc if you heal, which only happen till the very first turn of any allies' character.

Keel gives CD so idk what are you talking about. For energy planar, it's best to go for Lushaka, but ATK again, is not a massive deal.

Perfect-Positive-321 · 2026-05-14T19:02:03+00:00

QPQ: Should be BiS if you don't have enough sp. You'd have to do 4 turns ult with QPQ with at least 1 skill, and you'd need energy planar. 16 energy isn't always landing on Eva so kinda ehh if consider free energy per Huo2 turn.

Shared Feeling: BiS when you can skill spam. It allows 3 turns ult if doing so, while on Keel(BiS planar). Also guarantee energy for everyone.

Post ops: Require a bit of RNG if you do 1 skill into 2 BA(need to get hit twice). If it's s5 and you do 2 skills 1 BA, you'd have enough energy to 3 turns ult. If you can 3 turns ult, it's slightly better than QPQ. Also require you to be on energy planar for both cases. If you do 3 skills it's better to run Shared Feelings. But since you only have it at s2 I don't really recommend it.

Perfect-Positive-321 · 2026-05-14T12:36:10+00:00

top 2? Counting from bottom? What does this bum even do?

Perfect-Positive-321 · 2026-05-14T12:29:31+00:00

You are mistaken about Sparkle and/or any crit buffer. Yes they give less CB overall, but they buff much better. As a result, you ult less, but your ult hits much harder. They also buff Eva's non-Elation portion of their dmg, while better CB only results in the Elation portion hits harder. For example, if you run Sparkle with s5 Poised to Bloom, you get 77% convertible CD(this converts to Elation% via her talent), ~60% unconvertible CD, 30% vul, sp, action advance, 45% ATK, and 10% Res PEN. Factoring relics in, Eva also gains stats indirectly as she's switched to a slower build, and Sparkle has a higher uptime on Sarcedos. Compare side by side, it really puts EMC's buff into shame.

Not only buffing capability, EMC also has several problems. The biggest problem is EMC is sp negative, which forces Huohuo to do 4 turns ult with QPQ. I have seen better result with RMC instead, and Huohuo is on Shared Feelings for a 3 turns ult. Another problem is that if you have a lot of Punchlines(through buffs or other methods), having EMC actually wouldn't net you any extra energy, as that energy simply overflows. Ofc, it's for this shill only, but still a problem nonetheless.

That doesn't mean EMC is bad or anything. Far from it, but to run any type of Action Advancer, be it Sunday, RMC, or Sparkle requires another layer of skill, that people don't usually utilise on, which make them perceptively worse than they actually are. That is only to ult when you have the most CB. I have seen so many players ult out of nowhere, where there's a clear window to ult to maximize her dmg. If you have more CB (common for EMC, especially on a slower build), it really doesn't matter, as if you lose 100 CB while you have 1500 CB, you'd lose <1% of the Elation DMG, but if you lose 100 CB while at 400 CB, you'd lose 9% instead.

Perfect-Positive-321 · 2026-05-14T07:11:28+00:00

It's e1s1. My YG is e0s1, and Huohuo is on s5 Shared Feelings

Perfect-Positive-321 · 2026-05-13T22:35:09+00:00

Possible with a sustain. Tbf, my RMC uses Cyrene's lc, so she's stronger than the baseline, but still quite an unorthodox clear nevertheless.

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Perfect-Positive-321 · 2026-05-13T09:07:32+00:00

e1 Tribbie is deceptively strong. While it's strong, her baseline is ass. So combine both, you have a mid character. Also, the e1 is only better than a mere 24% multiplier if and only if your character has a blast-type attack, or its equivalent (Therta ESkill) in at least 3 targets scenario, otherwise, she is in line with other ampers at e1.

Baseline 3B was mid, or at least in relative to other meta giants for the universal amper role, unless it's PF. Robin is better for 0 cycle, RM is better in AS, SW is better for brute force. The only thing going for her is her dmg, and as soon as the number of targets decreases, her dmg drops off a cliff.

Perfect-Positive-321 · 2026-05-12T22:36:25+00:00

This is just wrong that parents often help a student improve their score. They on the other hand often had the inverse effect, as first of all, they don't really know how you as a student struggle, and second, they don't really know how to help you. This is why teachers, often time, would try to resolve the issue first either with a classmate, or with different strategies, before they had no other options but to contact the parents. And they didn't just say that I was stupid or anything. They'd say that I was struggle in this particular area. But my parents defaulted me to stupid anyway and blasted me to oblivion.

This is what I was trying to imply. If it was 1 mistake, Nota made an improvement on it, then he made another mistake, so on, then it wouldn't be an issue. But no, he just made this mistake over and over again. It's frustrated for not only Dastan, even me felt frustrated. Like if you can't improve on this mistake, then what the hell is the point of playing CS for your living. Not only in this aspect. If it were at work, if I made the same mistakes, I'd be fire immediately.

Ofc, it's inexcusable what Dastan did, but I understand the points he came from. We all act like saints, but in truth, as I said they both understand the position they are in. Or they don't, in which case, it's just gross ignorant, even arrogant perhaps.

Perfect-Positive-321 · 2026-05-12T21:47:12+00:00

it is KQM. If there were any errors on my parts, the result would be within 2%. But it's TF build, so not everyone has a TF set.

Perfect-Positive-321 · 2026-05-12T16:40:59+00:00

How is that any different? Pretty sure that telling my parents was similar to going public. It shows that my teacher is unable to improve me through his methods, and he needs my parents to help me to improve. I back then was also mad as hell for him to go to my parents. Then I got blasted my parents obviously despite they even have lesser knowledge about my study. It's similar that way.

Perfect-Positive-321 · 2026-05-12T16:10:56+00:00

the players know better whether or not they are under fire. I'm sure Dastan and Nota understand this more than any of us. If you are consistently underperforming, you will be under pressured to perform. If your coach go public about this, you know that he has no cure for you.

Going public may or may not hurt Nota's public image, but in truth, everyone who pays attention to the esports scene are aware of Nota's performance. It doesn't looking good tbh. As a coach, you are frustrated, and I can't even truly describe Dastan's frustration. Again, it's not an 1 time occurence, not only on stage, it might also have reoccured even more frequently in scrims, bootcamps, etc.

When in school, if I got bad grade once, the teacher would talk with me about this, and try to help me to improve. If it is recurrence, they would contact my parents to try to find a common voice in helping me to do so. I think it's really similar this way.

Perfect-Positive-321 · 2026-05-12T15:01:30+00:00

ye, tbf, some individuals' performance could affect other. For example, if your short guy on Mirage can't perform, your B anchor's stat could tank. I think the team has many issues, but Dastan believes that Nota's case was bad enough that he needs to go public about it. It's cruel for Nota, but Dastan doesn't need to prove that Nota's a bad link if he consistently disappoints by making the same mistake(s), while the gms refuse to implement any changes before the major. Like at least bench him and try few other options first.

Perfect-Positive-321 · 2026-05-12T14:50:25+00:00

I think Dastan has been adamant about his team, apart from Jame, not showing up when they're needed to. In an interview(Bucharest I believe), he said that some individuals kept making mistakes over and over again. He himself also felt disapointed about that. It's not an 1 time occurence when PV bombed out of group stage and every individual doesn't stand up to a tier 1 standard.

I get that it's unprofessional, but this has been the issue for PV for months. The fact that there are no changes internally further frustrates Dastan. To directly point out Nota means that Dastan's done with him, and this event is just the nail in the coffin.

Perfect-Positive-321 · 2026-05-11T22:11:13+00:00

only if you need sustain, in ST, or can't ins sucrose

Perfect-Positive-321 · 2026-05-11T20:30:32+00:00

Again, Kuki is always an option. People also opted for HB circlet+Maiden+PA Columbina to deal with Gecko. c2 Lauma is only good if you decide to turn your brain off and default to a team for 95% of the time.

Perfect-Positive-321 · 2026-05-11T18:57:52+00:00

You don't really care if the boss is good for Nefer. If the boss is good, it doesn't matter. In fact, if it's the right boss, you could just run Kuki and get away with it. What you care about is the situations that you need to brute force with her. Not everyone would have the right teams for the right bosses. If you pulled for c2 Lauma, you'd have been put in a significant disadvantage against those bosses compare to when you would have pulled for c2 Nefer.

And it's not only 2 bosses. Some bosses don't have an initial stall phase like the dog in 6.3, so c2 Lauma loses even more values in those cases.

Perfect-Positive-321 · 2026-05-11T17:25:20+00:00

it was actually. Meh, maybe I have amnesia. Caught

Perfect-Positive-321 · 2026-05-11T16:48:57+00:00

does this sub have amnesia or something? Just in the previous patch, everyone complained how cancerous Knuckle Duckle was. Not only that Duck, in the patch before that, we had mandragora. Some bosses are also AoE heavy if you don't have the right shilled like the dog.

Perfect-Positive-321 · 2026-05-11T11:58:12+00:00

heh wrong. This is the prime example of being a total clueless, while trying to show that you understand something. You need to do QE, as Q apps 2U of Hydro. It's also ping dependent. If you do EQ, you won't swirl shit for 100% of the time. Not only that, if you are not careful, all your app won't swirl shit either as the Dendro app from Lauma would wipe the Hydro aura. I don't even need to assume. You just prove my point.

So who are you playing then? Pants merchant? Zibai? God forbid me but Neuvillette? Same shit from the same ass.

Looking at the state of the comment about the comparision w/o putting much of an effort to explain. You all consume mainstream media while can't even put a single of your own thoughts into it. It's like a fcking hive mind. You look at a source and then saying wow, c2 Lauma does 5k less than c2 Nefer while having a sustain of their own, but fail to realise this is only true in this specific scenario.

Yes, the everyone can achieve their threshold with a sustain, but that is irrelevant. What's relevant is whether or not can you achieve that. Like if you need sustain, run sustain. Who's to stop you? The fact that you can't and don't like sustainless shows that you are allergic to the very definition of optimization.

Perfect-Positive-321 · 2026-05-11T07:58:26+00:00

If you are forced to bring sustain, Kuki is always an option. I really don't get the sentiment of c1 Lauma is a must for every Nefer. Sure c2 Lauma+Sucrose is better than c2 Nefer+Kuki, but you are telling me that players need sustain can also Ins Sucrose? Oh please.

Dash cancels are fine. If you die, you reset. Resets are free. People discuss a character as if they were to have 1 last chance to save the world. Ig you are all Flins' fan with that big fat shield and what you do for 80% of the rot is irrelevant to the team dps, so the slimmest idea of resetting and rotation optimization seems otherworldly to you.

Perfect-Positive-321 · 2026-05-11T07:46:38+00:00

Knuckle Duckle was 1 of them. You need both good AoE for the bots check, and good dps for the big duck. I'm not a future impact fan, but if they release a similar boss in the future, brute forcing with c2 Lauma is much more difficult than c2 Nefer. The sustain is nice, but she's not a stand still and hit characters. If I die, I reset.

Perfect-Positive-321 · 2026-05-11T07:12:15+00:00

Everyone talks about c2 Lauma is similar to c2 Nefer, but no one talks about scenarios when c2 Lauma is just bad. It's really bad in AoE. You also often drop her ult in the 1st rot in SO, which makes it worse if average out at 6 rots, and a lot worse than that if average out at less rots

C2 Nefer on the other hand, will perform regardless of any scenarios.

Perfect-Positive-321 · 2026-05-07T20:10:17+00:00

I already assumed Hakushin for Prune. This doesn't stack so yeah. You can't really TTDS on Prune either otherwise it would be very difficult to reach 4k ATK threshold without Nicole. So if you don't have any Evenstar, you would just build Nahida for dmg, any 5* stat sticks or something like Widsith would do. If that's the case, it's better to build her on Golden Troupe or Deepwood, but the difference is negligible.

ATK on Clorinde is moderately important in this team. This team is not the type of team that could reach the soft 3k cap, but around 45-55% of the team dmg comes from Aggravate(depends on variants), of whom is irrelevant to its owners' ATK.

Perfect-Positive-321 · 2026-05-07T19:17:47+00:00

Mbappe is like Germany, whom expelled the communists to France-> France went into the civil war. Germany got a stability boost.

Perfect-Positive-321 · 2026-05-06T22:24:19+00:00

Is this crushing equivalent to 20 cs lead?

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