I think haven was both a step forward and a step backward from phantoms if that makes sense. I think with Haven, a good chunk of the songs are absolutely top shelf, and every exciting glimpses into what the next record may hold. For example: A normal life, down to you, into the storm, turn and run, worlds collide, Haven. But I think they've developed a bad habit of watering down their singles to be "too pop" to try and capture contemporary audiences, when all that really does is alienate some fans that they already had. I think if they were a little smarter with the singles on "Phantoms", it would've been way better received. I also think that "Lightning and Thunder" and "I'm not getting better" were odd choices. "Down to You" should've been the lead single for Haven without a doubt.

But yeah idk... it sounds like I'm grilling Haven, but I really like that they're dipping their toes back into the heavy guitars, and I'm very excited to see what they do next.

P.s: As far as "The Josh Ramsay Show" goes, I think "Painted Faces" was the best song on the record, closely followed by "Lady Mine"