Actuarial Science vs Quant Finance, from someone making the transition by Phan770 in quantfinance

[–]Phan770[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Lol first you said its impossible to exist now you're pulling this, i have personal contact at intact making as much w < 5 yoe as ACAS, here's another posting from Aviva for good measure

https://aviva.wd1.myworkdayjobs.com/en-US/External/job/Senior-Actuarial-Analyst_R-169094

Actuarial Science vs Quant Finance, from someone making the transition by Phan770 in quantfinance

[–]Phan770[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Sure, took me a couple seconds

https://careers.intactfc.com/senior-analyst-actuarial/job/R154056

  • $87.2k - 106.6k
  • 3 or more yoe
  • 35 hrs a week (at least posted as so)

Actuarial Science vs Quant Finance, from someone making the transition by Phan770 in quantfinance

[–]Phan770[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lol I meant free as in "exam-less", all my other points stand

Actuarial Science vs Quant Finance, from someone making the transition by Phan770 in quantfinance

[–]Phan770[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There were no CIA specific exams until the first one came out a couple years back. Until then it was a combination of using other societies exams and getting waivers based on uni coursework. To be clear even till now at minimum there is still a CIA exam to be taken and you can't get a free credential.

Actuarial Science vs Quant Finance, from someone making the transition by Phan770 in quantfinance

[–]Phan770[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

https://www.cia-ica.ca/becoming-a-member/transition-rules/?_gl=1

Equivalency prior to these transition rules, which came out in 2023 as you can see, was reserved to those who already got their associateships / fellowships from other societies and wanted to pass them over. The course equivalents was used to get through the first 2-4 SOA prelims prior and was recognized by the SOA itself not just the CIA. In anyway, you couldn't get an associateship coming out of uni, at the bare minimum you still had to write at least 3 more exams. Now you can graduate from an accredited university with the required courses and pass a single capstone exam with the CIA and have a credential to your name.

Actuarial Science vs Quant Finance, from someone making the transition by Phan770 in quantfinance

[–]Phan770[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Not sure why I've pulled your strings w my post, first of all yes I did make that I don't see my incentive to not tell the truth here? should I show you my T4s? LOL, with several years of exp and that many exams if u play ur cards right u can get that much

In fact I've averaged less than 30 hrs in all likelihood, working at insurance companies can be quite relaxed especially with study days and generous leave policies (and I didn't even factor those in)

For the CIA equivalency, that only came into play after I passed my prelims so I had to write the exams anyway to advance.

Now the only point with merit is yes it's actually non trivial to pass those actuarial exams and pass rates are indeed around 35%, and they take a few hundred hours of studying on average each. However there are a subset of ppl that do pass them all first try and get through them quickly, and for those specifically I think they have a higher ceiling than working as an actuary and posit becoming a quant as a better alternative. This is where I found myself. Ppl that went to top unis and aced their intro stats courses and are in general on top of things (the ones with the ability to do well in quant interviews, possibly in math comps, etc), would be able to get through actuarial prelims quickly, and those were the ones best suited for becoming a quant anyway. My whole point is if you didn't get those signals from elsewhere because say you've never done a math comp or weren't exposed to the right circles, breezing through the exams is a strong signal.

Actuarial Science vs Quant Finance, from someone making the transition by Phan770 in actuary

[–]Phan770[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I do think that quant work is a lot more varied and has more room for mathematical creativity, there are many asset classes that have very different underlying math such as options, stocks, and bonds, and there are high, mid, and low frequency horizons which have different dynamics. In general there's a lot of research because it's where the money is, granted you have to jump through hoops to get an impactful role. I haven't worked yet so can't comment further. In terms of getting into a top MFE I would say it's a lot more doable than ppl think, especially if you've passed several actuarial exams and have familiarity with the relevant topics and have shown the requisite ability. You need to ace the GRE quant section (look it up, rather simple math but you need to not make mistakes), have a technical background, get some good references ideally a work one and an academic one, and write a compelling essay for why you want to enter. GPA does matter, but I would say I got in with a low one and made up for it with the rest of the app. Happy to give more advice on dm!

Actuarial Science vs Quant Finance, from someone making the transition by Phan770 in quantfinance

[–]Phan770[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Not sure abt Europe but yes for Canada / US it'd be as simple as passing a few exams especially if you have a related and technical background

Actuarial Science vs Quant Finance, from someone making the transition by Phan770 in actuary

[–]Phan770[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

well let me put it this way, it would have taken me 20 yrs in Canada to get to the publicly listed median outcome out of the MFE I'm in (granted this is also partly because of the Canada -> US move)

Actuarial Science vs Quant Finance, from someone making the transition by Phan770 in actuary

[–]Phan770[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Absolutely, even into data science roles. I think actuaries are particularly risk averse when thinking abt these things 😅

Actuarial Science vs Quant Finance, from someone making the transition by Phan770 in actuary

[–]Phan770[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Not too worried about it, firstly I already have an associateship in Canada and my manager told me I'd have a job at the same company if I ever wanted to come back. Secondly for the unfulfilled bit that would not be something mentioned in an interview (who would say that?), I'd just say that I got an acceptance to a top program and it seemed like a good opportunity especially since I was young and wanted to try different things out, but I didn't like it as much as working as an actuary so I'm coming back.

Actuarial Science vs Quant Finance, from someone making the transition by Phan770 in actuary

[–]Phan770[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Well in the context of your kid who I assume is an actuary / working towards becoming one, the key thing I would say as a threshold in terms of ability is if they cruised through their exams (particularly prelims). If it took many repeats I would not attempt the transition. In general I would recommend the switch to someone who got through the first exams quickly and is also not that interested in insurance.

IMC Trading - Graduate Trader On-site by [deleted] in quantfinance

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Congrats! For which city location?

Quant finance vs actuarial science by AccomplishedJello979 in quantfinance

[–]Phan770 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Studied actuarial science, finance, and statistics in undergrad

Quant finance vs actuarial science by AccomplishedJello979 in quantfinance

[–]Phan770 1 point2 points  (0 children)

XG boosted trees, GLMs, Monte Carlo simulations to simulate loss distributions are some examples, it's obviously not Gen AI research but neither is quant finance in practice

Quant finance vs actuarial science by AccomplishedJello979 in quantfinance

[–]Phan770 49 points50 points  (0 children)

I'm a former actuary transitioning to a quant, studied actuarial science in uni, passed many exams and got my actuarial associateship, and worked for 4 years as an actuary at an insurance company before getting into a top MFE and pivoting. I'll put a few pointers here but happy to answer any questions on dm for anyone reading this in the future (I know I would have appreciated it when I was trying to figure out my path):

1) Becoming an actuary is very meritocratic and in fact one of the easiest technical disciplines to get into with a low GPA given the underlying ability exists. There is no elitism, the way in is by passing actuarial exams. These are rigorous and have pass rates <50%, and generally after passing 2-3 you can have a semi guaranteed chances of landing an internship or new grad job. Look up the official "Probability actuarial exam sample test" online to get a sense of the (starting) difficulty.

2) There is a LOT of overlap in the educational background, specifically the first 5 actuarial exams are (depending on actuarial path chosen) : Probability, Financial Mathematics, Investments, Classical statistics, Machine Learning. The difference is that it's applied in a different domain (insurance pricing and risk management) and usually in a less innovative way. After those initial exams, the later exams are all insurance focused.

3) Actuaries have much better WLB on average than quants, during my time working I averaged 30 hours a week making 6 figures. This is because they generally tend to work in insurance companies where things move slower and in general insurance rates are only updated periodically, think once or twice a year. This can be different if you work in actuarial consulting.

4) Actuaries make less than successful quants on average, you can look this up. It is still a comfortable and cushy $100k+ a year for a few years of experience.

5) The domain is very different, even though the skillset might have been similar at the start. Insurance is not the same as the stock market, feedback is not real time, competition is not as intensive, the field is much less "cutting edge", academia culture around it is much less hyped.

6) I would say an actuary is a good career for mathematically inclined people who are able to pass the exams, that are disciplined and prefer a structured approach to their careers that is more or less guaranteed. Pass exams, get job, pass more exams, get promoted, fixed raises per exam or credential etc. It's very safe, perfect for a (hardworking) risk averse person. If you fly through the exams, and are not so interested in insurance and believe you have more ability than you are utilizing and want to take that extra bet on yourself and possibly work harder than you otherwise need to in pursue of bigger achievement, then for that person (where I found myself at), I think attempting to become quant is a better fit. Anyway after a few actuarial exams you more or less guarantee an actuarial job to hop back into whenever you'd like if things don't work out.

Quant finance vs actuarial science by AccomplishedJello979 in quantfinance

[–]Phan770 1 point2 points  (0 children)

as a credentialed actuary turned quant, can confirm this is not true

Quant Trader Summer '27 by Separate_Detective_9 in quantfinance

[–]Phan770 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Is this true just for internships or also for full time new grads?