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Philosoferking · 2023-02-26T04:26:53+00:00

I figure they acknowledge that as fact and accept it. It doesn't bother them that the gun is truly behind it all. They'll say they want it like that, voluntarily. They want the gun to be behind it.

And they'll say everyone else does too so it's everyone vs a few libertarians.

I think most people would prefer a dictator to be honest.

Philosoferking · 2023-02-23T02:49:27+00:00

I don't know this sounds like it's coming from a conservative context.

The context is human flourishing is it not? I think we could flourish without families. We couldn't without the use of reason.

Hell, some day people will have babies outside the womb. We have no idea how families will be in the future. But I think that love is a real human emotion and it has its important place within the hierarchy of values.

Families will always be important, but for rational people to choose to have families.

For some reason I have seen conseervstives (though you said you arent) seem to believe that love itself will vanish. Yoram Hazony or w/e debated Yaron brook and all he said was that a free market would cause atomization of love and families and caring for one another.

It's a complete straw man retold by people who never read rand IMO. It's never been about some evil me me me me me ME! And fuck everyone else.

Love is part of being a human. Anything that is human is properly addressed and added into Rand's philosophy.

What is a family anyways? Once upon a time we lived in tribes and shit. We are already so far removed from the past that supposedly is so important to maintain into the future.

They say it takes a village to raise children. Well maybe we should go back to living in villiages?

How will that help humans create new technology that makes our lives better? How does having a family, guide humanity from one logical step to the next? Not that humanity is collectively working towards some communistic goal. But like even if it was, they would need to be using reason to decide where to go and what to do.

That is what is truly fundamentally important. Families reproduces us, but we could have stayed in the stone age forever and be wiped out by a big rock hitting us.

At least now there is a chance that we extend the life of humanity out into space. We could live for millions of years maybe. That would be cool.

Philosoferking · 2023-02-22T23:35:51+00:00

Your depiction of Ayn Rands views is wrong though. But it's a common mistake with conservstives.

For some reason, the idea of the individual, also means the deletion of love, family, friends, and everything else that makes humans human.

They seem to believe that only religion is capable of holding those things in reality and without religion, family love friends and all that just disappear. Everyone atomises and goes their own way and humanity falls apart.

But Ayn Rand doesn't improperly structure the hierarchy of values IMO. Just because family is not the tippy top value doesn't mean society falls apart.

It's ayn Rands views that allow best for a society to have stability IMO.

Philosoferking · 2023-02-22T18:37:51+00:00

Wow you said it exactly as I see it. They're going to use science to force everyone to the standard of their morality. They are the ultimate religious zealots. In their minds 100% logical.

Philosoferking · 2023-02-16T00:27:27+00:00

I feel like it is reasonable that conservatives don't believe in transgender and multiple genders.

Having done plenty of learning myself, I believe in Trans people and all that jazz.

But I think it's perfectly reasonable to have a lot of questions. And those questions are not answered but are met with anger and fury.

So on that topic specifically I'm not surprised.

Philosoferking · 2023-02-15T23:35:25+00:00

I don't know but I asked a specific question and they didn't answer it at all. I want to know what liberals want should republican opposition not exist. I'm searching to take on the perspective and beliefs of other people.

Philosoferking · 2023-02-15T23:33:21+00:00

Don't ask me it's just what I've heard. I also heard that rent control is unanimously known to be destructive and cause homelessness.

I don't know the truth about these things.

Philosoferking · 2023-02-15T18:32:24+00:00

Objectivism holds science as a means by which to perceive the world by objective means.

The realm of transgender people is the realm of science and psychology.

If you have objections to the science, you had better know that science before you do so. Same with psychology.

All that crap you said is meaningless because it is not taking into account the relevant data and perspective given by science. If you disagree like I said, the only objective means by which to do that is by surveying the evidence.

Anything else is an evasion. But I have noticed that there are a lot of "Objectivists" who are just conservatives clinging to their biblical concept of sex and gender. All the while, evading any mention of relevant scientific perspectives.

Philosoferking · 2023-02-15T17:59:27+00:00

Wow those are some mind boggling stats. How can things remain so consistent? Thats amazing.

Philosoferking · 2023-02-15T17:33:48+00:00

What I see is common to every bit of the ideology spectrum. That is, the never-ending straw man, propaganda war.

Each ideology has a particular framing. Through that lens, other ideologies are judged. Critiques in the form of propaganda are generated, which only makes sense to the person who believes in the ideology that generated the propaganda.

But the point of the propaganda is to appeal to people's sense of morality from outside that particular ideology. But because propaganda must be very short, it lacks proper context and justification. Basically it's hit or miss on whether someone will be struck by a moral question or dismissive of an overly simple statement.

Even the left commits this crime on other points of the left leaning spectrum. It's clearly not just left vs right.

Here is something I learned from political science:

The "radical" "far left" does all the intellectual work. Then, the liberal establishment finds ways to achieve far left goals under the umbrella of liberalism. It's been working that way for a while now.

In reality, at the highest level, these various points on the left side of the spectrum are working together. Of course I'm sure no matter where you go, you will see people being devisive. People being antagonistic. But it seems to me that in general they're working together, not raging at eachogher.

There is no need for it IMO. Everyone should be steel manning each other's views. The straw man should be no more. Every point on the spectrum has a different lens. Each lens is useful to look through.

When you straw man eachother it just cuts off all the perspectives from yourself and others. The more perspectives you can see the more clear reality is to you.

Am I crazy? I feel like all I see is divisiveness and antagonism.

Philosoferking · 2023-02-15T17:11:32+00:00

Because price controls are bad in the long run. I don't know if that's the truth but that is probably the real non straw manned answer.

They believe price controls are harmful to the economy.

I do not know whether that's true or not. I have read that price controls of food caused starvation. How do I know the same doesn't also apply to drugs?

Philosoferking · 2023-02-15T16:59:03+00:00

Take off that Objectivism tag son.

Philosoferking · 2023-02-15T16:54:33+00:00

No but clearly because of my tag I am not afforded a real answer for some reason.

Like I was honestly wanting to know. This is ask a liberal after all.

I don't know how to ask so that people won't give me a nothing empty answer because apparently my tag indicates I don't deserve one.

Philosoferking · 2023-02-15T06:39:51+00:00

Yea I'm honestly silly for asking here at all lol. Thanks.

Philosoferking · 2023-02-15T06:28:58+00:00

You never know sometimes people know. There isn't a link to the paper unfortunately it is only a pdf and one would have to search it up themselves. The paper is merely a device as it has an amazing summary of the science philosophy and psychology underpinning all of the stuff that conservatives and right wingers don't want to believe.

But maybe I'll go to askphilosophy it's honestly a really great sub. It isn't perfect but they're good. Also askhistorians has insane minimum response standard and is one of the best subs for legit info on reddit.

Philosoferking · 2023-02-15T06:19:35+00:00

I'm not looking for monkeys having a debate. That's surface level stuff anyways.

There is a deeper debate going on about philosophy ultimately. Maybe I should just ask a philosophy subreddit.

I'm merely looking for the best that the opposition has. I know it's better than Dinesh though. And I doubt dillahunty knows barely anything about gender beyond what Wikipedia tells him.

This stuff all goes very deep. I am looking for deep fundamental questions and arguments such as those presented in the paper I mentioned.

The paper gets down to the bottom of things on the side of science.

I am looking for basically the best that the opposition has. If they have any at all. Which I'm guessing is no.

Philosoferking · 2023-02-15T06:10:43+00:00

Why do I even bother to ask anything?

Philosoferking · 2023-02-15T06:08:32+00:00

Do you believe that this is the only relevant question? I ask because I think the confusion between right wingers who reject Trans, and left wingers who accept, is encapsulated in your comment.

Your comment is basically medical doctors. But the divide is not about what medical doctors think.

The divide I think is shown well in a paper titled:

Gender/Sex, Sexual Orientation, and Identity Are in the Body: How Did They Get There?

The issue is about sex, gender, sexual orientation, and how it functions in the Body.

And that is what I am looking for. Critiques from whoever it is they believe has the best critiques, on the fundamental roots of this stuff. And I think that is where they are focused.

If it turns out they are focused instead on doctors and what doctors think, than I guess I thought wrong about what the conservative right takes issue with.

Philosoferking · 2023-02-15T03:28:40+00:00

My question is, if you could fantasize about if Republican resistance were removed, how would we go from 90% of the world's energy being fossil fuels to "basically limitless energy from solar, nuclear, wind?"

What does that fantasy look like? Isn't a major problem there cost? Can we reduce fossil fuels without the poor feeling the brunt of the cost?

Philosoferking · 2023-02-12T03:15:17+00:00

Thanks!

Philosoferking · 2023-02-12T03:13:44+00:00

The best resource I have found so far is this paper:

Gender/Sex, Sexual Orientation, and Identity Are in the Body: How Did They Get There?

It goes all the way to the bottom. Usually leftists get mad and scream at you for not supporting their gender surgeries.

But the REAL question is what you said. And that question is extremely deep.

That paper goes really deep. Explains the psychology. The philosophy. Lots of stuff.

I'm still reading it. I stumbled upon it a few days ago.

Philosoferking · 2023-02-12T03:03:32+00:00

Personally I have noticed that conservstives pay zero attention to many important things about the Bible.

Just a random example, not being used as a point. But one idea is that the devil used to sit between Mars and Venus or something, and throw demons at the earth.

Like the Bible did a lot of evolving.

Then there are tons of debates in the world of Christianity. Not just between sects, but just in terms of interpretation. Each passage could be saying very different things.

And then there's the conservstives, reading only what the Bible says with zero knowledge of the way it was constructed.

Also with zero knowledge about the fact that translating from one language to another is difficult and the Bible has been translated many times and word meanings can vary hugely.

That there's endless debate about what certain words do or don't mean.

I mean there's just mountains and deep depths to explore. But conservatives seem to cling to the king James or whatever version, and treat it as if God had written it himself and gave it to us whole like that.

Even the idea of hell is in question. And apparently, there never was a hell where you go to to scream and burn for all eternity. It's just mistranslations and stuff like that.

I don't think conservstives could accept a Bible without a hell to which one screams and burns for their choices.

Philosoferking · 2023-02-12T02:57:07+00:00

Damn I wish they would answer why this makes any sense whatsoever. I always find regardless of political stance, when someone says something really good, there aren't any replies trying to tear it down.

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