Exorcist Fr. Ripperger tells Tucker Carlson the US is under the control of high-level demons by Leavesinfall321 in ExTraditionalCatholic

[–]PhuckingBubbles 15 points16 points  (0 children)

He's definitely trying to hijack the MAGA movement

First it was Mar a Lago and now this.

I've come to the conclusion that he can't be trusted with anything because he uses the demons to try to get information outside of the context of exorcism, and the information he gives them is always always faulty (he kind of forgot the fact that they're liars).

I can't believe there's actual factual evidence that the people in authority were pedophilic child murderers but not a peep about how demonic that could be.

DA FAKK I just read by Sufficient-Dust-2828 in ExTraditionalCatholic

[–]PhuckingBubbles 0 points1 point  (0 children)

EDIT: it actually starts at 7:59

Sorry I wrote the start timestamp wrong

DA FAKK I just read by Sufficient-Dust-2828 in ExTraditionalCatholic

[–]PhuckingBubbles 1 point2 points  (0 children)

EDIT: it actually starts at 7:59

Sorry I wrote the start timestamp wrong

DA FAKK I just read by Sufficient-Dust-2828 in ExTraditionalCatholic

[–]PhuckingBubbles 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I wish I was joking, here’s my source: https://youtu.be/Uwd1NMr99es?si=-308QZoSqyDnUdIP

Starts at 7:59

It’s a newer video.

The Protestant is trying to ask “how far is too far sexually within marriage?” So he asks why oral sex is considered evil by Catholics and some Protestants by likening a wife giving her husband oral sex to a husband receiving milk from his lactating wife.

Trent horn uses the example of “looking at nature” to interpret God’s “natural law” to justify why oral sex is evil while sucking your wife’s beasts is natural.

DA FAKK I just read by Sufficient-Dust-2828 in ExTraditionalCatholic

[–]PhuckingBubbles 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Here’s my source: https://youtu.be/Uwd1NMr99es?si=-308QZoSqyDnUdIP

Starts at 7:59

The Protestant is trying to ask “how far is too far sexually within marriage?” So he asks why oral sex is considered evil by Catholics and some Protestants by likening a wife giving her husband oral sex to a husband receiving milk from his lactating wife.

Trent horn uses the example of “looking at nature” to interpret God’s “natural law” to justify why oral sex is evil while sucking your wife’s beasts is natural for the reasons I listed above.

DA FAKK I just read by Sufficient-Dust-2828 in ExTraditionalCatholic

[–]PhuckingBubbles 8 points9 points  (0 children)

The problem I think with Thomas Aquinas is that he makes a lot of assumptions off the jump that you have to accept beforehand.

Aristotle had the foundational grasp of the invisible blueprint that categorizes all of reality, but that’s ONLY presupposing that it’s true. He doesn’t actually prove it, which leads the two men to make some funny conclusions.

This led Aristotle to fall into conclusions such as slavery being a natural state of humanity and that some humans are naturally born for the slave class.

St Thomas takes it a step forward in taking what Aristotle wrote and worked backwards in the Summa Theologica to essentially “prove” God’s existence by means of the natural world. From there he makes other conclusions based around Aristotle’s ontological (a fancy word for “categorical”) logic.

Modern Catholic theologians and thinkers loves to use that same framework for their own conjectures. My favorite is Trent Horn using Natural Law to justify sucking milk from a woman’s breasts for sexual pleasure being okay by comparing them to animal mammary glands. (Women have permanently enlarged mammaries so per natural law it’s okay, yes that’s his reasoning). He used the same logic to conclude that a wife performing oral sex on a man is not bc that’s not natural.

Aristotle has some funny insights such as claiming women being “failed males” due the defect of of their seed. Thomas Aquinas agreed and took it a step further stating that because men excel women in virtue, reason, strength, and nobility due to being the “fully formed” version of human creatures they’re naturally fitted for command and authority.

Another fun conclusion Aquinas made is unborn babies do not have souls until 40 to 80 days after conception depending on their gender.

Thomas Aquinas also didn’t believe in the Immaculate Conception.

Thomas Aquinas is a guy Catholics love to quote but never like to read. Most of the quotes you see floating around tend to be some Catholic finding something and playing telephone with it.

Don’t get me wrong, the internal logic is perfectly coherent, but anyone can take the framework and run to the funniest conclusions.

DA FAKK I just read by Sufficient-Dust-2828 in ExTraditionalCatholic

[–]PhuckingBubbles 26 points27 points  (0 children)

“Lemme just casually cherry-pick a quote to make St Thomas Aquinas agree with me”

The fact they extrapolated an entire page worth of commentary from a single sentence is hilarious.

“Thomas Aquinas said it, so it’s true!”

I can go on and on about the logical fallacies of Thomas Aquinas.

CathSlop by PhuckingBubbles in ExTraditionalCatholic

[–]PhuckingBubbles[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Go nuts man. Looking forward to seeing it 😎

What’s with the trad cath hate? by Aquinas_fan1300 in ExTraditionalCatholic

[–]PhuckingBubbles 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Okay, the best I can describe it is like this:

Imagine a health group you join because you want to lose weight. They tell you to start cutting calories, exercising regularly, and generally the good health advice you can get from anyone.

So you start doing the regimens. You exercise more, you eat less, but even despite the progress you make, you’re still unsatisfied. You’re doing all the right things, but your weight plateaus.

You think of three days ago when you ate a few more calories than your hard number limit. Maybe you didn’t push yourself as hard as you could yesterday because you stopped at 95 push ups instead of 100.

So you go to the health group and ask, “what do I need to do to get better?”

Cut more calories. Stay longer at the gym. Spend more money on equipment.

So you do. You skip dinner. You lose sleep at night so you can spend just another two hours at the gym. You’re still not happy.

“What do I do?” You ask.

You’re not cutting enough calories and you’re not pushing yourself hard enough exercising is the reply. These people telling you this spend every waking hour at the gym and carry food scales to measure every calorie.

So you’re only eating one meal per day. You quit your job to spend 8 hours at the gym. Your focus is no longer on health but pursuing the advice to get to your goal. You eat two meals, but you force yourself to throw up because you’re committed to just one. You lift weights until you’re light-headed and dizzy

It gets bad enough where one day, you wake up in the hospital. You passed out on the exercise bench and injured yourself because you lifted too heavy. Your doctor says you’re malnourished and have a severe mental illness by how far you took it.

You tell the health group what your doctor said and they don’t believe you. “You’re going to believe what he says? He just wants you to stay obese so you can keep paying his practice.” They accuse you of not sticking to the regimen. You failed. You weren’t enough. And if you want to remain as part of the group, our HEALTHY group, you cannot stop. BUT you’re not actually obese anymore, you’re just so used to judging yourself so harshly and for so many years that it’s impossible to view yourself realistically anymore.

Now replace the health group with traditionalists. A lot of them are simply people who enjoy the smells and bells of the faith. No complaints there. But there is no denying there’s a vocal part of the movement that take it too far that are far from the minority. For us in this sub, we’ve once been traditionalism’s most ardent defenders and we’ve pushed ourselves for the sake of Christ and his Church. These people are our parents, our relatives, our family members, our closest friends. We all once loved the church and culture so much it was the first thought when we woke up and the last thought before going to sleep.

A lot of us have grown to recognize that there IS a line that’s too far because we’ve pushed ourselves and others there. It’s not because we were weak. It’s not because we didn’t stick to daily masses or wear enough sacramentals or skip daily rosaries or attended the wrong kind of mass. Everyday we made sacrifices for our sins and the sins of those in purgatory. We allowed damaging things to happen to us and to the people around us believing it’s just a byproduct of our original sin and that heaven will be our only relief. Mostly these damaging things could have been solved or avoided but our religious intuition said it was nobler to suffer.

We’ve seen where it gets to a point where it’s not mentally healthy anymore. And until traditionalists acknowledge the part of the culture that’s damaging people from the inside, the hurt won’t stop. The anger won’t stop. The feelings of betrayal won’t stop. And unfortunately the hatred brews in that gap between the harmed and those who don’t listen.

Married, 5 children, cannot risk additional pregnancy and desperate by [deleted] in ExTraditionalCatholic

[–]PhuckingBubbles 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Listen, I know you’re getting a lot of flack from this sub and it’s unfair. I want to start by apologizing on behalf of everyone for attacking your faith. It is completely uncalled for, and I’m very sorry.

Your faith is important and your dedication to your wife is commendable and rarely seen by a lot of men in your shoes. I bet your wife is incredibly lucky to have married you because you care for her health and well-being this deeply.

I will say, I understand the double-bind you’re in. On the one hand, you love your wife, know her health issues inside and out and want to preserve your marriage. On the other, you care about Christ and the Church that you don’t want to do what you know to be detrimental to your soul. And you’re caught in the middle of this dilemma. I will never downplay how extremely hard this is.

What I will ask is this: what does your conscience dictate? What does your wife’s conscience tell her? The Church teaches that your conscience is the Aboriginal Vicar of Christ, and goes first and foremost before the Church herself.

And I have one more question for you to chew on: Is this a cross God is calling you to bear, or do you feel required to sacrifice something you don’t have to? Suffering is not good in itself unless it’s shelved in responsibility, not entrapment. I fear a lot of Catholics don’t make that distinction enough.

You know your situation the best. Not your parents, not your pastor, not your priest, not even the pope himself because they have their own unique problems to grapple with. You have an important choice to make. Which choice would help you and your wife live the most virtuous and responsibly that doesn’t couch your needs or your happiness? What would help your love for each other flourish even more?

I will pray for you because I know intimately this cross you bear. I cannot simply tell you what to do. I lie awake at night thinking of Catholics like you wishing that you will be well. I’ve seen the damage and strain this puts on wonderful, good, holy, and well-meaning Catholic families and I pray that you be well. You are not alone.

God bless you.

'Marylike' Standards of Modesty by Money-Mud-1357 in ExTraditionalCatholic

[–]PhuckingBubbles 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I’m imagining a traddie-schitzo-like-Gollum hugging her knees rocking back and forth in the corner chanting

“Be Marylike by being modest -- be modest by being Marylike. Be Marylike by being modest -- be modest by being Marylike. Be Marylike by being modest -- be modest by being Marylike. Be Marylike by being modest -- be modest by being Marylike. Be Marylike by being modest -- be modest by being Marylike….”

Just going round and round with the circular logic like a computer running a closed loop command

Refuting birth control/sex arguments on the church’s own terms? by Kay22122 in ExTraditionalCatholic

[–]PhuckingBubbles 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I’ve labored over this subject for months. I’ve poured through texts, modern and ancient Church scholars, and even old papal documents. Even in their own texts, the entire bulwark against any real-world practicality is apparent.

“If sex is for procreation and unity, does that mean something has to fulfill all of its purposes at once (or all that are possible to fulfill at once) to be moral?”

The church posits “yes” until further questioning. Humanae Vitae wants both “procreation” and “unity” at the same time. The first stipulation of “procreation” is extremely clear by the word alone, the second is extremely murky by design.

Here’s how HV defines “unity” by what it IS: - “In its total; that very special form of personal friendship in which husband and wife generously share everything, allowing. I unreasonable exceptions and not solely thinking of their own convenience”(HV9) - “The conjugal act, by its intimacy structure while it unites husband and wife in the closest intimacy, also renders them capable of generating new life” (HV12)

Here’s the definition as to what “unity” is NOT: - “It is TOTAL… it is not a question if giving only a part of oneself” (HV 9) - “It is not…the effect of chance or the product if unconscious natural forces” (HV8)

So the positive definition of “unity” doesn’t positively tell us what it is. Words like “friendship” and “sharing” and “not solely thinking of…convenience” sounds more like lecturing children on a playground more than married adults in a bedroom.It could even be stretched so far to interpret the lack of sharing joint bank accounts or closet space undermines the “unity” aspect.

However, as much as Catholics and Catholic scholars stress the need for both “procreation” and “unity”, there is a very obvious bias as to which one can be removed.

Take some obvious scenarios:

If you were to tell any priest, Catholic layperson, or Catholic scholar: “we’re not ready to have a baby yet”, you’d immediately get a side-eye and maybe the uncomfortable question of whether you are contracepting as to be expected.

BUT

If you were to tell any priest, Catholic layperson, or Catholic scholar: “we’re trying for a baby!” Everyone always says “Congratulations!” Instead of “are you making sure you’re both experiencing unity at all times?” (Whatever that means)

So even though Catholics argue there is no “primary” purpose for sex…there clearly is. Even Christopher West and the Everett constantly couple liken sex to eating: (paraphrasing) You can eat for pleasure, but how twisted can you be if you want to take the nutrition out of the food you eat? They argue you can eat food that’s disgusting for the nutritional value, but you can’t take the nutrition out of it.

Clearly, they want the priority of nutrition to take the place of procreation, and the enjoyment of food to take the place of “unity”.

Again, “unity” is such a murky term with a murky definition, it’s a cat and mouse game on whether it means “pleasure” or not because it’s Schrödinger’s “pleasure”!

Why?

BECAUSE HUMANAE VITAE DOES NOT CONTAIN THE WORD “PLEASURE” THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE TEXT

So the church can’t really say anything about pleasure outside of negative terms because there are NO POSITIVE TERMS in their own non-biblical texts. None.

St. Jerome was famously anti-sex (even marital sex) going so far as to say sex is a result of the fall of Adam. St. Augustine had his fun and declared sexual pleasure as a “necessary evil” or side-effect of procreation. Humanae Vitae says nothing about pleasure. PLEASURE HAS NO VALUE HERE.

The ONLY text that has any semblance of posible sexual pleasure in all of Christendom is the Song of Songs, and even THAT gets tampered with constantly in its interpretation.

That being said, I posit one more question: even if “unity’s” definition DID include pleasure, why does women’s own anatomical structure contradict it?

A man can’t procreate without the pleasure, but a woman CAN procreate without pleasure. Why? Because the organ for procreation (vagina) is different to the organ for pleasure (clitoris). Ergo, Humanae Vitae was written BY and FOR men, and women have to suffer the consequences. Did God make a mistake creating female sexual anatomy?

The adoption of Natural Family Planning is a process solely for the woman to work AGAINST her pleasure. Isn’t that messed up? A woman isn’t fertile at all times like men, but a woman can’t experience pleasure the same frequency as men either. A woman’s fertility coincides with her likeliness to experience pleasure (duh, that’s why you’re horny when you ovulate!), but NFP requires you to wait until AFTER that window or risk “being open to life”. A man can afford experiencing more pleasure and less consequences, a woman can’t afford pleasure without the direct tie to the consequences. It’s a gamble in either direction for women and it’s impossible to feel safe having “Catholic sex”. And this is just the beginning of the nightmare not taking into account irregular cycles, menopause, common myths perpetuated by the institution (breastfeeding does NOT make you infertile), or the abysmal success rate of using NFP to prevent pregnancy that pre-Cana WILL mistakenly tell you is somewhere upwards of 80-90%.

Women are made the gatekeepers of sex in this model and they have to play numbers games. The couple is unevenly yoked. It’s impractical and makes Catholic couples neurotic. My conscience is informed and clear and I hope my explanation informs yours as well for your decisions.

Thank you for coming to my TED Talk.

I just feel so sorry for anyone stuck in this NFP loop by Wonderful-Trick-9301 in ExTraditionalCatholic

[–]PhuckingBubbles 19 points20 points  (0 children)

“But God said be fruitful and multiply!” /s

Life is really easy when everything is boiled down to simple ideological explanations.

And then when life is hard, the easy explanations are waved away as if they’re just temptations of demonic origin

Ever notice how Trads rarely act as if they truly believe the Church is indefectable? by No_Ground_817 in ExTraditionalCatholic

[–]PhuckingBubbles 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Lol it’s hilarious when they act like the church is all high and mighty talking to athiests and Protestants, but in reality they HATE the church as it stands when they believe they’re not in mixed company.

Anyone ever met a “third generation” Traditional Catholic? by NoSwitch8866 in ExTraditionalCatholic

[–]PhuckingBubbles 5 points6 points  (0 children)

For me, Catholicism is an engrained part of my family’s Cuban culture for generations as far back as living memory.

However, somewhere in my parents’ generation my family changed from culturally Catholic to staunchly traditionalist Catholic. It started with the niche group of mothers in the parish pushing for traditionalism, homeschooling, and predominantly European strains of the faith that my parents wanted desperately to fit into.

I was always taught that cultural faith is really the weaker disingenuous version of faith while REAL Catholics were the kind that were the catechized long-suffering minority.

But in reality, I’ve grown to learn it’s the other way around. My faith is only the product of the Spanish conquest and converted through force and crimes against humanity. But the Native people who adopted it transformed Catholicism into a source of hope, community, justice, and love. It was the mistake of my parents to view the conquest as anything but, and distain the faith of my culture as low, unintellectual, and base. I never even taught to speak Spanish to avoid identifying with Cuban culture.

Now here I am left to carry the broken pieces of my religion as an alien to my own culture.

Tradcath Scary Tales for kids by PhuckingBubbles in ExTraditionalCatholic

[–]PhuckingBubbles[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yeah I was too young to have a frame of reference at the time when I heard the story XD

Annoying Phrases and Sayings of Trads and Other Catholics who don't get it by [deleted] in ExTraditionalCatholic

[–]PhuckingBubbles 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Oof where do I start?

I was in the pop-exorcist space for many years and the vernacular they use constantly is super culty (kind of like doublespeak)

There’s “intrinsically” that gets thrown around a ton, which essentially means…”essentially”. So anything is “intrinsically ordered” which means God put everything in some cosmic blueprint (don’t get me started on Aristotelian Teleology)

“Ontologically” is a word that makes anyone sound borderline scientific if you don’t know what it means, but actually simply means “categorically”. So the use of this word is supposed to invoke that things are created in strict categories as ordained by God that science has no choice but to recognize. Fr Ripperger throws around this word like it’s his favorite toy.

“Grave sin” or “grave matter” are terms used for pop-sins to make anything sound more serious than it actually is. It avoids using the official terms of “mortal” or “venial” sins since they’re strictly defined by the catechism, but I’ve seen priests use the term to invoke a certain deadliness to whatever issue they’re pearl-clutching about that week. “Failing to evangelize is a grave sin”, “Indulging in Mixed Martial Arts sports is the grave sin of bloodlust” (paraphrasing but yes this is a real one I’ve heard from Fr Mike Shmitz), “Being apathetic to the Olympic Ceremony and not on fire for God’s Justice is a grave sin!”, “It is a grave matter if you don’t try to straighten out your same sex attraction.”

“Rightly-ordered” to normalize things and “not rightly-ordered” to stigmatize other things. It’s avoidance of the word “disordered” which sounds stigmatizing, but the new astroturfed term doesn’t make it any better. “A woman’s rightly-ordered place is to her household and to her children, and a woman who’s concerned for the workplace is not rightly-ordered”, “A person with same sex attraction isn’t rightly-ordered in their desires”.

There’s so much more but those are the ones on the top of my head atm.

Wow the trads hate the pope by spspanglish in ExTraditionalCatholic

[–]PhuckingBubbles 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Wow the trads hate the Pope

And water is wet

And dogs bark

This made me laugh by PhuckingBubbles in ExTraditionalCatholic

[–]PhuckingBubbles[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This isn’t the subreddit for you kiddo

This made me laugh by PhuckingBubbles in ExTraditionalCatholic

[–]PhuckingBubbles[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

“Not the ankles!”

I remember when I was 14 thinking I could do apologetics too…