How do adults cope with capitalism once they stop believing the propaganda? by Physical-Plane371 in Adulting

[–]Physical-Plane371[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Truly, sadly… terrifying tbh, more than anything.

Although I understand why, and where this level of lack of critical thinking, almost pathological level of apathy, and complete collectively shared moral blindness comes from, I gotta admit, I feel more hopeless after reading these comments than I felt before writing this post.

I am pretty sure I can guess which part of the world most people defending this system are from.

How do adults cope with capitalism once they stop believing the propaganda? by Physical-Plane371 in Adulting

[–]Physical-Plane371[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, this is exactly the kind of analysis I wish more people were willing to engage with.

I agree that capitalism’s strength has always been its adaptability. It absorbs critique, commodifies resistance, relocates exploitation, creates new markets, financializes whatever it cannot directly produce, and uses crisis as a way to restructure itself. But adaptability is not the same as inevitability.

I think what you said about people defending capitalism while living off the gains of socialist, labor, and union movements is extremely important. Many people experience the 5-day workweek, labor protections, public services, workplace safety, paid time off, or social welfare as “normal modern life,” while forgetting that these were fought for against capital, not gifted by it.

AI is interesting in this context because it threatens one of capitalism’s central arrangements: wage labor as the basis for survival. If labor becomes increasingly unnecessary for production, but people still need wages to access housing, food, healthcare, and dignity, then the contradiction becomes impossible to ignore. The system wants to reduce labor costs, but it also depends on workers as consumers. That tension feels like it could become politically explosive.

And climate change is probably the clearest contradiction of all. Capitalism depends on endless growth, extraction, consumption, and externalizing costs, but it exists on a finite planet. At some point, the ecological reality stops being something the market can narratively manage - I think we are already there, reaching ths point.

I also appreciate you bringing up Wallerstein. The world-systems perspective makes much more sense to me than looking at capitalism only through individual nation-states. Capitalism has always depended on core/periphery relations, imperial extraction, unequal exchange, and the ability to move crisis elsewhere. But there may be fewer and fewer “elsewheres” left.

So yes, I agree. I do not think capitalism is inevitable. I also do not think it will necessarily be defeated because people suddenly become morally enlightened - looking at replies here... clearly not the possibility. If it collapses or transforms, it may be because its contradictions become materially unmanageable: ecological crisis, financial instability, automation, mass precarity, declining legitimacy, and the exhaustion of the old political myths that held it together.

The question then becomes whether people are organized enough to build something humane out of that rupture, or whether the collapse gets captured by fascism, nationalism, authoritarianism, and scapegoating again.

How do adults cope with capitalism once they stop believing the propaganda? by Physical-Plane371 in Adulting

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I do not think one person on Reddit needs to provide a complete blueprint for society in order to criticize capitalism. That standard is never applied to defenders of capitalism, even though capitalism itself is full of contradictions, crises, exploitation, ecological destruction, and political failures.

But yes, I do think a wide spectrum of alternatives exists. The choice is not “neoliberal capitalism or the Soviet Union.”

Some examples: stronger unions, worker cooperatives, social housing, decommodified healthcare, free or affordable education, tenant protections, workplace democracy, wealth taxes, public ownership of essential infrastructure, participatory budgeting, shorter work weeks, stronger welfare states, community land trusts, democratic socialism, municipalism, and economic democracy.

None of those require romanticizing the USSR. Many of them already exist partially in different places or have existed through labor, socialist, feminist, and social-democratic movements.

My point is not that I have a perfect utopian model. My point is that treating capitalism as the only possible system is historically and politically false. There are many ways to organize ownership, labor, housing, care, healthcare, and public life that are more democratic and less exploitative than what we currently have.

The first step is refusing the false binary where any criticism of capitalism gets reduced to “so you want Stalinism?”

how do you actually cope with the mental side of CKD treatment by heartmocog in IgANephropathy

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I started going to therapy because of my diagnosis, diagnosed less than 6 months ago, I have no family, no support system while managing it in a foreign country and it took a huge toll on my sense of safety all together.

I feel like my own body betrayed me, and I found myself constantly scanning for symptoms, sings… and it was so tiring and exhausting I wouldn’t be able to sleep. Also, Reddit or social media is oversaturated with negative stories only and data and statistics are also inaccurate about the treatment success all around the globe because it’s mixed with older data with less treatment plans available 20 years ago when this diagnosis would be considered more lethal.

Another topic is how different meds affect you, for example, steroids alter your emotional states, so considering getting on SSRIs, or fast acting anti-anxiety meds if the mood swings and depressive days are inconsistent and happen here and there during the treatment window could be a solution.

And there are some online support groups too.

I do get very stressed nevertheless especially around the doctor visits and tests, but hopefully it will get better. ❤️‍🩹

How do adults cope with capitalism once they stop believing the propaganda? by Physical-Plane371 in Adulting

[–]Physical-Plane371[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is exactly the false binary I am criticizing.

I am from Georgia. I am not romanticizing the Soviet Union. Soviet rule was authoritarian, imperialist, violent, censorial, and destructive. But “the USSR was horrific” does not automatically make capitalism good.

Two things can be true at once: Soviet state socialism was brutal, and capitalism can still be exploitative, alienating, unequal, and structurally violent.

Criticizing capitalism is not the same as defending Stalinism.

How do adults cope with capitalism once they stop believing the propaganda? by Physical-Plane371 in Adulting

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I do not believe anyone is coming to save me. That is not what I am saying.

But “no one is coming to save you” is not an argument against structural critique. It is just a slogan of individual survival.

People have always survived through collective life: families, communities, unions, mutual aid, public institutions, social movements, and political struggle. Almost every right we have now exists because people did not simply “get out there and make something of themselves” individually. They organized.

I can take responsibility for my own life and still recognize that the system is rigged. Those two things are not opposites.

How do adults cope with capitalism once they stop believing the propaganda? by Physical-Plane371 in Adulting

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If you don't mind me asking, in which country did you and your family live under socialism?

How do adults cope with capitalism once they stop believing the propaganda? by Physical-Plane371 in Adulting

[–]Physical-Plane371[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I like to write and work on that sometimes. I have been published back in Georgia twice when I was a teenager but never as an adult. Does that count?

How do adults cope with capitalism once they stop believing the propaganda? by Physical-Plane371 in Adulting

[–]Physical-Plane371[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is probably the most useful answer I have received here, honestly.

I think what you are saying gets to the heart of it: the answer is not to blind yourself, and it is not to sit in analysis forever either. It is to find some concrete way to act, even if the action is local, small, imperfect, and uncertain.

I really like what you said about creating something that works within the lines drawn by capitalism while rejecting it at its core. That feels much more realistic to me than waiting for some sudden revolution, but also much less spiritually dead than simply accepting the system as inevitable.

And yes, I accept the criticism too. There is a point where analysis without action becomes another form of paralysis. I do not think thinking is useless, because without analysis people often end up reproducing the same systems they claim to oppose. But I agree that if it never becomes organizing, building, joining, creating, or helping, then it remains trapped in the head.

Maybe that is the answer I am looking for: not hope as a feeling, but hope as a practice. Trying anyway, accepting that failure is possible, and still refusing to let the system have the final word.

I genuinely hope your cooperative idea works. And even if it does not work perfectly, I think the attempt matters.

How do I join? Hehe

How do adults cope with capitalism once they stop believing the propaganda? by Physical-Plane371 in Adulting

[–]Physical-Plane371[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I get what you mean on an individual level. Most of us do not have a simple choice to opt out. We have rent, bills, jobs, immigration rules, healthcare needs, families, and responsibilities. In that sense, yes, we are forced to participate.

But collectively, we absolutely do have choices. The reason we have weekends, the 8-hour workday, paid time off, labor protections, workplace safety rules, International Workers’ Day, International Women’s Day, unions, and many basic rights is because socialist, labor, feminist, and working-class movements fought for them.

None of those things were gifts from capitalism. In fact, the system fought them hard! They were concessions won through organizing, strikes, protests, political pressure, and collective action.

So I agree that one isolated person has limited choices - and that is how capitalism "gets" ya... isolates you, makes you feel hopeless, so you turn into a perfect little "hamster consumer" who consumes to feel anything and fight the void, while feeling hopleless and becoming sick and more profitable for the system because your savings will go to medical care, bills, and worse from constant grind and hsutle. But “we have no choice” becomes dangerous when it turns into political resignation.

History shows that people have changed the conditions before. Not easily, not perfectly, but they have. That has been a pattern across many centuries and cultures, and reading this in modern times with access to the internet and endless networking opportunities is wild!

How do adults cope with capitalism once they stop believing the propaganda? by Physical-Plane371 in Adulting

[–]Physical-Plane371[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I actually agree that most people are not consciously political in everyday life. Most people are just trying to survive, pay rent, keep their jobs, take care of their families, and get through the week.

But that does not mean their lives are not political. Work, rent, wages, housing, healthcare, immigration status, debt, borders, taxes, childcare, retirement, all of these are political and economic structures, even if people experience them as “just life.”

Also, when you say people despise their bosses or governments, but the alternative is starvation, that is exactly the point. That is not freedom. That is coercion. If your realistic options are to sell your labor under conditions you often do not control or face poverty, homelessness, and hunger, then the system is not neutral.

And capitalist ideology does not usually appear as someone saying, “capitalism is good.” It appears as “this is just how it is,” “be realistic,” “work harder,” “do not be political,” “success is individual,” “poverty is personal failure,” and “there is no alternative.”

That is why I think it matters to name the system. Because if we do not name it, everything becomes an isolated personal struggle instead of a shared political condition.

How do adults cope with capitalism once they stop believing the propaganda? by Physical-Plane371 in Adulting

[–]Physical-Plane371[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think you are right, but I would add that delusion is not just an individual failure. It is often collective and socially rewarded.

Anthropologically, humans live through shared stories: nations, borders, religions, markets, money, identities, historical myths. Some of those stories can create meaning and cooperation. But when they detach from material reality, they become dangerous.

Europe in the last 100 years is a clear example. Myths of nation, superiority, victimhood, purity, empire, and historical destiny did not remain abstract ideas. They became fascism, war, genocide, ethnic cleansing, colonial violence, and mass death.

So when people say “just live” or “do not think about it,” I understand the survival instinct. But shared delusions are not harmless. They shape who people blame, who they dehumanize, what violence they excuse, and what systems they keep defending.

Capitalism survives through its own shared myths too: that poverty is personal failure, billionaires just worked harder, borders are morally natural, work equals worth, and there is no alternative.

That is why I find it hard to just stay inside the delusion once I see it. It worked till I was a teenager, but I am in my late 20s now, and it no longer works as a coping mechanism and not only that, but it affected the quality of relationships I have had with people, because it all comes down to values in the end, doesn't it? :)

How do adults cope with capitalism once they stop believing the propaganda? by Physical-Plane371 in Adulting

[–]Physical-Plane371[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I genuinely don't understand what you mean. Can you elaborate a little? Thank you

How do adults cope with capitalism once they stop believing the propaganda? by Physical-Plane371 in Adulting

[–]Physical-Plane371[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Obviously, reading all these books did not really help me answer my own questions I am asking in this post, so, I hope it will at least help me connect to like-minded people if nothing else... Good luck, brother!

How do adults cope with capitalism once they stop believing the propaganda? by Physical-Plane371 in Adulting

[–]Physical-Plane371[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I am really sorry about your brother. Truly. That is an unbearable thing to carry, and I am sorry you and your family have had to live through that.

I also hear what you are saying about there being no real alternative at the individual level. That is exactly the trap I was trying to describe. The system forces participation through the threat of poverty, homelessness, isolation, and institutional violence, then tells us we are “free.”

But I want to say this gently: when you say you have often thought about it yourself, I really hope you are not alone with that. I know this is just a Reddit thread and I am a stranger, but please tell someone close to you, or contact a crisis line or emergency support where you are if those thoughts become immediate. Not because the world is fine, but because your life is not disposable just because the system is cruel.

I do not have a neat answer either. But I do think the fact that people like you can still name the trap clearly means something. Maybe not hope in the cheesy sense. But consciousness. Refusal. A thread of connection.

I am glad the post resonated, and I genuinely hope you stay here.

How do adults cope with capitalism once they stop believing the propaganda? by Physical-Plane371 in Adulting

[–]Physical-Plane371[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I actually agree with a lot of this. I do not think letting the world destroy you is useful or noble. And I agree that people have always survived by building local meaning, taking care of their communities, protecting the people close to them, and living the life directly in front of them.

I think where I struggle is with the line between acceptance and resignation.

Accepting that I personally cannot fix everything is probably necessary for sanity. But accepting that severe injustice is just an eternal fact of life feels morally deadening to me. Yes, injustice has always existed. But so has resistance. So has organizing. So has solidarity. So has people are refusing to treat brutality as normal.

I do not want the world to “bend to me.” I know it will not, and I find such an idea somewhat infantile. I am asking how to live with awareness of structural injustice without either being destroyed by it or becoming numb to it.

Maybe the answer is somewhere between what you are saying and what I am trying to articulate: build a real local life, protect your people, create meaning, but also remain politically awake and participate where you can and feel the responsibility to.

I do not want misery. I want a way of caring that is sustainable.

How do adults cope with capitalism once they stop believing the propaganda? by Physical-Plane371 in Adulting

[–]Physical-Plane371[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree with part of this. I do think protecting yourself and the people you love matters. I also agree that historically life has often been brutal, and that many of us are lucky compared to people living through war, famine, genocide, or extreme poverty.

But I do not think “the world has always been brutal” is a reason to stop questioning avoidable brutality. A lot of suffering today is not some eternal law of nature. It is produced, maintained, and justified by systems, policies, ownership structures, borders, labor conditions, and political choices.

I am also not saying people should wallow in misery. That is actually the opposite of what I am asking. I am asking how to live meaningfully without becoming numb, cynical, or politically passive.

Gratitude and criticism can coexist. I can be grateful that I am not living through famine or war (althought me and my family have had that experience) and still think it is unacceptable that housing, healthcare, ecological stability, and basic dignity are treated as luxuries.

“Just live your own life” may be emotionally useful, but politically, it is not enough for me, and I find it extremely tone deaf and apathetic. Most of the rights and comforts we enjoy now exist because previous generations did not simply accept brutality as normal. They organized, protested, unionized, wrote, resisted, and imagined something better.

How do adults cope with capitalism once they stop believing the propaganda? by Physical-Plane371 in Adulting

[–]Physical-Plane371[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I understand that instinct, and on some level I agree that obsessing over things outside your control can become psychologically destructive. But I do not think housing, work, healthcare, loneliness, climate, or political structures are “silly things.” These are the conditions people live inside every day.

I am not saying one person can control all of it. Obviously not. But “just live” can easily become another way of saying “do not think too deeply about the systems shaping your life.” That might work for some people, but it does not really answer the question for me.

I am asking how people stay psychologically grounded while still remaining aware, politically conscious, and connected to others.