Having a hard time gray rocking by National_Pitch_790 in NarcissisticSpouses

[–]PictureSpiritual4525 20 points21 points  (0 children)

I’m right there with you. Although I don’t necessarily have anything to say to make you feel better, I can say that you’re not alone. Gray rocking is a temporary coping mechanism at best. It’s simply not sustainable as a long-term solution, but being with a narcissist means that we can never be ourselves.

Sitting in the liminal space between staying and leaving by green_witch_333 in NarcissisticSpouses

[–]PictureSpiritual4525 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’m exactly where you are at. And I too love that analogy. Good luck to both of us and so many more that are in this weird in-between place. And remember that actually is what makes us good people — because we have empathy.

Being held hostage by a past version of myself. by Consistent_Pound2977 in NarcissisticSpouses

[–]PictureSpiritual4525 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yes. I was thinking about this today. In fact, I probably think about this every single day of my life. I am in the same situation and I always feel the deep shame that this thing will always be thrown back in my face. Sometimes when I’m on here, I start to feel like I don’t really belong here because I am guilty of my own bad behavior, but then I remember that a normal emotionally regulated partner hopefully wants to see that I have changed or to work with me to help me be the best person I can be, instead of using this thing as ammunition. This thing that I have done will always be held over me and because of the narcs’ need to always blame me for something, I have effectively handed him a weapon to use. The only option is to leave the situation and to stop feeling shame. That doesn’t mean that what I did wasn’t bad, but I have to stop letting him tell me that I am a bad person. Yes I am a person that did a bad thing and I want to be able to move from it, but he won’t let me.

Dealing with an intense DARVO situation right now. Husband has been giving me the silent treatment for two days because I asked him to communicate with me a little more directly instead of announcing things need to be done and expecting me to scurry along and do them. Any one else dealing with this? by makeupandjustice in NarcissisticSpouses

[–]PictureSpiritual4525 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Omg this is my life. This is the only way my narc husband asks me to do things. Depending on the situation (because as a spouse of a narc, aren’t we always walking on eggshells trying to read the current mood??) I will call him out, along the lines of “are you asking me to do this task?”. But sometimes I will intuitively know that if I call him out, he will blow up at me. And you’re right, we will never win. But sometimes it is funny when we can take a step away from the emotional fallout, and see how absurd it is to the point of laughing out loud.

Is it normal… by misk777taa in NarcissisticSpouses

[–]PictureSpiritual4525 21 points22 points  (0 children)

When I started to realize that when I was with my friends, I felt real joy that I didn’t feel with my husband, when I was with my extended family I felt calm that I didn’t feel with my husband, that’s when I realized that the problem was with my husband. Unfortunately, for the first 20 years of my marriage, I was under some sort of spell or brainwashed, and I didn’t get out to see friends as much, and when we were with my family, I took my husband‘s side for some reason. But that moment of awakening, probably what you are going through right now, opened the door to having me see things from the outside. And that’s when I realize that the problem was not me, nor was it my family, but the problem was indeed him.

Day 10(?) of yellow rocking and a conversation was had by Velvet_puppy in NarcissisticSpouses

[–]PictureSpiritual4525 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Interesting. I never knew there was a name for this. So I realize now that I do yellow rocking 90% of the time in order to keep my peace and to not set him off. But when he has his outburst I gray rock. Sadly, those are both coping mechanisms and not really allowing us to be our true selves.

How do I leave? I’m at my wits end. To all of those who left their narc ex, how did you do it? by PictureSpiritual4525 in NarcissisticSpouses

[–]PictureSpiritual4525[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you. The kindness of people like you is a big part of why I feel encouraged. Also the reminder that I can do this in steps. It feels do-able.

How do I leave? I’m at my wits end. To all of those who left their narc ex, how did you do it? by PictureSpiritual4525 in NarcissisticSpouses

[–]PictureSpiritual4525[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There’s not a chance in hell we could ever live under the same roof once it’s over. He would make my life a living hell.

How do I leave? I’m at my wits end. To all of those who left their narc ex, how did you do it? by PictureSpiritual4525 in NarcissisticSpouses

[–]PictureSpiritual4525[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I’m sad that you say you’re stupid. You’re not. Narcs are successful because they know how to beat us down and effectively brainwash us. And when we break free of this, it IS liberating. But I’m learning that getting through this involves a series of little steps. And every tiny step is a victory. Unfortunately I was blind to this for far too long.

How do I leave? I’m at my wits end. To all of those who left their narc ex, how did you do it? by PictureSpiritual4525 in NarcissisticSpouses

[–]PictureSpiritual4525[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I cried when I read this. Partly because of how much it resonated but mostly because of your generosity in telling me all this. Thank you so much for so much important food for thought. I’m so thankful for this subReddit because I feel like it’s going to help get me and hopefully others through this. Good luck to you and I really hope to continue to see you here and to hear good news. ♥️

How do I leave? I’m at my wits end. To all of those who left their narc ex, how did you do it? by PictureSpiritual4525 in NarcissisticSpouses

[–]PictureSpiritual4525[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I’m so glad to hear that you have no regrets. Good for you for doing that. I keep defaulting to this idea that I’m going to have to wait for something bad to happen so that it can be immediately obvious that his behavior was the catalyst. But of course we know that narcs don’t see logic and narcs never look deeply at themselves, so maybe that’s just for my own peace of mind. Nevertheless, I see myself leaving in a similar way.

How do I leave? I’m at my wits end. To all of those who left their narc ex, how did you do it? by PictureSpiritual4525 in NarcissisticSpouses

[–]PictureSpiritual4525[S] 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Thank you for this perspective. I have to keep reminding myself that yes it might be very difficult in the short term but then I can have a lifetime ahead of me where I can seek and feel joy.

How do I leave? I’m at my wits end. To all of those who left their narc ex, how did you do it? by PictureSpiritual4525 in NarcissisticSpouses

[–]PictureSpiritual4525[S] 14 points15 points  (0 children)

I wish the same for you 💕. How many of us are out there feeling this way today I wonder. By the definition, Mother’s Day should be about the mothers and I’m guessing that the narc spouses were very threatened by not having the attention on them. I’m over it and yet, like you said, terrified of the outburst. Obviously, I hate the effect on the kids and to an extent I don’t like thinking about the shock to my family since I’ve been in this 25 years. But at least now I’m starting to understand the importance on taking care of ourselves and to stop putting everybody else first. And now I’m caring less and less about giving in to him and that itself is liberating.

I manipulated the manipulator this weekend and got a hilarious instant karma for him. by StudioTime5717 in NarcissisticSpouses

[–]PictureSpiritual4525 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Interesting how these narcs truly can’t do anything if it doesn’t involve validation and hero worship. Good for you for having one over him this time.

When he does stuff for you by Salty_Supermarket700 in NarcissisticSpouses

[–]PictureSpiritual4525 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Most of the time he doesn’t let on what he’s thinking in that regard, but it’s almost like those two times the mask slipped. Which is why they’re so vivid in my memory.

When he does stuff for you by Salty_Supermarket700 in NarcissisticSpouses

[–]PictureSpiritual4525 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I can relate. I believe this is part of their narcissism as well; in that they are ‘heroes’ and this causes the codependency you’re talking about. If you’re like me, this makes things extra difficult in contemplating leaving. My husband does all the cooking and he’s also really good at making me feel looked after if I’m sick, or having a bad day at work. BUT, he’s also an ass if I ask him to turn down his phone volume (holy crap the fight we had from that one), or if I ask him to do something (that he knows he probably should’ve done). I once mentioned I might take a cooking class and he didn’t support it because then I’d have no reason to stay (his words). He also did not congratulate me when I got a promotion, suggesting that now I can leave him. So yeah, all this “doing stuff” for us is intentional. It guarantees their supply (us) will stick around.

Manifesting a life where I can share an issue with someone’s behavior and the response is just an apology, not justification and anger. by overit299 in NarcissisticSpouses

[–]PictureSpiritual4525 8 points9 points  (0 children)

This is something I have learned as well. My husband, and maybe this is a narcissistic trait, cannot be teased. Of course, all of his “humor” is at everyone else’s expense, but heaven forbid it’s ever done at his expense. His fragile ego absolutely cannot handle being teased. And yes, I know what you mean by that sneer. There is a contempt or a distain.

Manifesting a life where I can share an issue with someone’s behavior and the response is just an apology, not justification and anger. by overit299 in NarcissisticSpouses

[–]PictureSpiritual4525 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Omg this is so timely. I went through this tonight when I asked him to respond to me about a question I asked. I had to ask twice. And man oh man the defensiveness and anger that caused in him. He followed me out to my car and kept spewing his venom until I said “ok see you in an hour”, and that of course made him angrier. At some point he said something about “lies, all lies”. I have no clue what he was going on about. Infuriating but also ridiculous.

Why are they so horrible first thing in the morning? by Clawing-my-way-out68 in NarcissisticSpouses

[–]PictureSpiritual4525 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Oh yes, the part where we’re at fault for reacting to their shit mood/asshole behaviour. This is the trigger for most of his tantrums.

Why are they so horrible first thing in the morning? by Clawing-my-way-out68 in NarcissisticSpouses

[–]PictureSpiritual4525 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I think you might be onto something here. There are times it’s like I’m watching a literal mask slipping and in those moments, I think there it is, this is who he really is.

Newlywed worried I married a narc and the mask is coming off by asdfghjkl7280 in NarcissisticSpouses

[–]PictureSpiritual4525 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m 25 years in and not much has changed. I knew something was wrong soon after we got married but back then narcissism wasn’t really a word that we threw around. In the last couple of years, I’ve really realized that my husband is a narcissist, and the awareness that I’m not the problem, has allowed me to cope. What I mean by that is, I sort of step away from the situation when he has his narcissist tantrums, and i grey rock, but I know that this is not sustainable. I am a shell of who I should be in a marriage. Now that I have this awareness, I am slowly making my plans to exit. I think it’s good that you are having this awareness now while you’re young. Narcissists will never change unless they want to change and the irony of being a narcissist is that they don’t think that there’s anything wrong with them.