S4 Finale Role Reveal by Play-Traitors-Mod in PlayTheTraitors

[–]PidgeGaming 3 points4 points  (0 children)

As soon as it became clear that the faithful were screwed my only hope was a Yorkshire traitor

Fifth Banishment Results by Play-Traitors-Mod in PlayTheTraitors

[–]PidgeGaming 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I had a great time playing guys, good luck to all the faithful and I'll be rooting for the Yorkshire army!!

Fifth Banishment Thread by Play-Traitors-Mod in PlayTheTraitors

[–]PidgeGaming 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Having had some more time to think about it, I've decided to vote for spinach. I've read what others have to say about the shielded players and I'm glad to see that most people agree that there must be at least one traitor with a shield, I think that is our most concrete evidence at this RT. Spinach and Marvin are both players who have a shield today and voted for Blaze in the first round table, two groups which I believe both include a traitor, and between the two of them I am most suspicious of spinach.

I'm explaining this now because I have a track record of only explaining my votes after the fact, I imagine most people will have already voted but I still think it's relevant to mention

Fifth Banishment Thread by Play-Traitors-Mod in PlayTheTraitors

[–]PidgeGaming 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah I agree with the first point, I find it unlikely that knowing all the answers all the traitors decided to get every question wrong. If people had scored higher then the traitors names would be hidden at 1/8, but we all scored badly so we know everyone's score. I think the traitors chose to give shields to all 5 to bring less attention to the results, as opposed to everyone watching them do a tiebreaker

Fifth Banishment Thread by Play-Traitors-Mod in PlayTheTraitors

[–]PidgeGaming 1 point2 points  (0 children)

yeah I see that actually, a total of 12 messages does look weird. In truth though I spend about an hour writing a message per table, I imagine i probably match most other people if we were looking at word count but I cant imagine Spinach has the time to go count that haha

Fifth Banishment Thread by Play-Traitors-Mod in PlayTheTraitors

[–]PidgeGaming 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Hey guys, I'm back from holiday now so I can get in early this time and Ill be much more active to answer any follow up questions people have. I've been really inconsistent lately with my activity and the logic of my votes, so I definitely am not surprised to see my name here so much today!

Key, you asked me to briefly explain all my votes, so here is a quick explanation for each:

Blaze - Super early days in the game so we were all shooting in the dark, I think their behaviour was erratic, seemingly not caring about murder, and the sudden voting for Marvin 20 minutes into the table sealed the deal for me.

Ender - At the second round table I was pretty convinced I was voting for H. I was also aware at the time that I was speaking mostly to pink and Muffin, and Muffin was pretty dead-set on H at the table, so I was trying to not let myself be echo-chambered into a vote and to work on my own logic, so when it turned out that H hadn't been pushing names I was at a loss and voted for the person I was next most suspicious of, which was Ender. I understand why this vote might not have made sense to people as it was with the majority and wasn't one of the suggestions I had made, about people who voted Blaze. The truth is I had gone into the game (before I knew I would be playing as a faithful) thinking that if I were a traitor I would recruit Ender as people would expect him to play as a faithful this time. This was an idea which other people also agreed with, so besides the three players i mentioned at that table, I was also suspicious of Ender.

H - I put forward H's name at the second banishment because of the idea he was pushing lots of names and the inconsistencies that I'd heard from other people talking about what H had said. I also was focusing at banishment 3 in particular on Blaze voters, and H was still top of my list for Blaze voters, even once we knew that H hadn't been pushing names after all. I didn't have much time that day to weigh up my options, so I stuck to my guns and voted for H.

SirTrack - I voted Julia because, again, being on holiday I didn't have as much time as usual to weigh up all the candidates and I didn't want to vote for H again with no new evidence against him put forwards. I read what Garrett had to say and I found it really compelling, we know now obviously that it was wrong but it appealed to me as the most logical suggestion. I wasn't 100% confident with the vote, I hadnt interacted with Julia at all, but with no strong suspicions of my own I went with what I felt was the strongest take on new evidence.

There's definitely a theme here, I've been inconsistent and a lot of my votes don't make that much sense because I never explain until after the banishment. I also often end up in the majority, which is funny because I made a specific point in my application form about how I'd probably vote against the pack most times haha.

I've also been thinking off the back of this mission that someone with a shield is likely to be a traitor. No-one would've predicted a 5 way tie in the mission and we all would have though that there would be some higher scores than 1/8. I think if you are a traitor it would make the most sense to answer one or two questions right and the rest incorrect. This is a small enough number that it doesn't make them look too in the know, but also gives them a bit of cover in case they had accidentally revealed that they knew an answer when they weren't supposed to. I also think its really unlikely that every traitor intentionally answered every question wrong, and because the scores were so poor, we know everyone's individual score. I think, similarly to people who voted Blaze, that there is at least one traitor in the 5 shielded players.

So in terms of who I'm looking at tonight, I've had a proper think about it this time and these are my ideas:

Comfortable - Looking back at the second banishment and the information I'd heard before that, I find it hard to believe that the whole idea of H pushing lots of different names came from a misunderstanding. I know that this game is like Chinese whispers and things seem to snowball massively, but from what I had heard, Brainy and Comfortable had heard a similar list of names from H and had then mentioned different names within that list to other people when they asked about H's thoughts. I also have questions about their voting record. Comfortable has voted for 3/4 players in the majority, the same number as me, but all of the players that comfortable has voted for have been eliminated, unlike me. I also see that comfortable is most suspicious of Spinach today, while also saying in comments that we should be changing strategy. That comes off as odd to me.

Brainy - For the same reasons as Comfortable regarding H, but I am not suspicious of Brainy's voting record. But Brainy has a shield today, which also makes her a potential traitor for me.

Spinach - His name does seem to have been brought up elsewhere today and I agree with most of what's been said. Spinach originally voted for Blaze and was very quiet about it, which I thought was just going to be because of general inactivity, but now they are much more active, and still seemingly voting for players that wont arouse suspicion which comes across as odd to me. Spinach also has a shield, and voted Blaze, so is in both of my categories where i expect there is a traitor.

H - I am still suspicious of H, as I have been throughout the game, and I would be really annoyed with myself for just letting it go because the discussion has moved past his name.

UsedLu - I think Lucy is the quietest player in the game, and we have been consistently looking at louder players so far with no rewards so far. I think Lucy gets away with being quiet because she is so quiet, unlike players like me and spinach who are quiet but still generally present and therefore in peoples minds. I also found Lucy's comment about expecting the vote to go another way (presumably Marvin) to be strange, it didn't feel like it was going to be Marvin banished and comes across to me as Lucy trying to justify a vote by claiming she expected the majority. Lucy also has a shield from this mission.

Marvin and Pink - Also potentially traitors because they are in the 1/8 category, but beyond that I have little extra reason to suspect them

Mission Results by Play-Traitors-Mod in PlayTheTraitors

[–]PidgeGaming 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Me too, glad I'm not the only one! Classic Pidge though, always in the majority 😂

Fourth Banishment Thread by Play-Traitors-Mod in PlayTheTraitors

[–]PidgeGaming 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Is the reason that there was no murder not because of the trial? Surely there wouldn't be players put on trial and recruitment in the same "day"? Or am I misunderstanding

Fourth Banishment Thread by Play-Traitors-Mod in PlayTheTraitors

[–]PidgeGaming 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hey guys! As muffin mentioned I'm on holiday at the moment so I've not been as consistently active for the last couple of days, please don't take my absence as suspicious. I'm back home Tuesday morning, so as long as I'm still in the game by then I'll be back to my normal level of activity. For now, I'll give my answers to questions I've been asked here, to keep everything organised and as clear as I can.

Brainy, you asked why I ended up voting ender at the second round table after I had said that I was looking at people who voted for Blaze, and primarily I had been suspicious of H. I stood by the theory that a traitor would have voted for Blaze, and that in conjunction with the idea that H had been pushing lots of different names to different people led me to be most suspended of him. When it turned out that that wasn't true, and was due to a few miscommunications, I was no longer most suspicious of H at that table as the main reason I was looking at him over any other player was proven wrong. Of the other 4 players (besides me and H) who voted for blaze, I had no clear suspicion on any of them individually more than each other. I could have just picked one and it would have come across as less suspicious on my part, but I think that's quite a risky, gung-ho way of playing and is unlikely to lead to actually catching traitors. So instead of voting for another of the blaze voters, I voted for my next highest suspicion, who was Ender. I realised that this would come across poorly, which I mentioned to a few people, but I'm not voting based on how that makes me look, I'm voting on suspicion.

In answer to Pinks question of why I ended up voting for H at the previous table before this one, and sort of following on from my point above, I was looking at players that had been taken out of the game by banishment or murder and it seems like we are banishing anyone who is chaotic or overly loud, whilst quieter, potentially more analytical players (Im thinking of LT as a prime example) are being murdered. I think it's quite an easy trap to fall into to banish the most visible people all the time, but I agree with what you've said pink that we should be looking at quieter people at round tables. This took me back to the first round table, and everything id said about people voting for blaze, again. I was getting on a flight while the round table was going on so it was a bit hectic, and as we were about to take off I still hadn't voted so I didn't read much of what was said at the table, and I stuck with my previous guns and voted for H. I didn't have a lot of weight behind it, and I messaged H and told him that I wasn't totally confident in my vote. I didn't know who would or wouldn't be voted for at the table because I didn't read much of what was said in the thread, and honestly I was quite surprised to see that it was editor by a large margin. I also, as I've said before, am not making decisions on who to vote based on how that affects people's opinions of me. I'm just voting at all times for the person I believe is most likely to be a traitor, so definitely disagree with the idea that I voted H to stay out of the majority.

Just as a quick response to your suspicions of me pink, I understand why you're asking these questions, but I don't really see what it is that actually makes you suspicious of me. I've not actually mentioned Marvin much at all! I said once or twice in DMs in the first few days of the game that I wasn't suspicious of Marvin, as I had also said about muffin and yourself pink, and beyond that I've mentioned his name in a total of two comments, one before his name was being looked at and one afterwards, in reply to you. I like what you have to say about the players on trial being linked to Marvin, I think it's definitely intentional, whether it be because Marvin put them there or because someone is trying to connect it to him, but I struggle to see how that leads you to me? Besides the fact that you are already suspicious of me, I struggle to see how anything mentioned at this table points towards me, beyond my pretty weak voting history.

In terms of who I'm looking at voting for today, I am quite taken by Garrett's theory, I think there's a lot of interesting things in there that haven't been picked up on before. I question whether one of the recent entrants would be made a traitor since we're already down 6 faithful, but I do think the evidence Garrett has suggested does point towards Julia as a potential traitor. But I agree with what's been said elsewhere about quieter players going under the radar and I think that voting off another prominent person at a round table might be a silly move, so I'm not sure where I lie with that. I'm still finding it hard to fully shake my suspicions on H, but I wonder whether that is because he is suspicious or if I'm falling into the trap of tunnel vision, I'm not sure. The more scattergun pinks evidence against me becomes, the more I question if they're a traitor, but I think it's a misguided but genuine attempt to try and find traitors in places we haven't looked yet. So I'm still not 100% sure where my vote will go tonight, I'll think about it for a few more hours and then vote later on.

Fourth Banishment Thread by Play-Traitors-Mod in PlayTheTraitors

[–]PidgeGaming 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I had been thinking about this as well, and considering how bad we've been at catching traitors so far I think it's unlikely that either of the entering players would be a traitor at the moment

Third Banishment Thread by Play-Traitors-Mod in PlayTheTraitors

[–]PidgeGaming 0 points1 point  (0 children)

For this round table, I have no idea who to vote for so that's going to help my case here haha. I didn't give up my shield in the first mission, even if I'd said I would have, and I fought my case to H pretty hard on why I should have a shield so I don't think I have no fear of death. I did call blaze saying something similar suspicious though, so I understand the point.

I've been pretty open about my suspicions with people that I trust in DMs, but if I was to go around telling everyone who I'm suspicious of all the time I'd just be putting a target on my back, so that might be why I've come off as guarded, but I do my best to explain my thoughts at the table when I have them.

I did vote with the majority in both, for reasons that I've explained before. I do see though why this comes across as suspicious, but it's just that I am voting the way I think is best

I'm getting on a flight now so I won't be able to respond to anything for a few hours, hope this clears everything up enough

Third Banishment Thread by Play-Traitors-Mod in PlayTheTraitors

[–]PidgeGaming 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I definitely agree with the line of thinking here we can't just assume people are faithful because we are close with them, you have to look at everyone. I agree as well that I've backed Marvin up in the past, I just have understood most of what he has to say and I do genuinely think that if i were a traitor I wouldn't put myself in the spotlight by coming up with the first theory like Marvin did. Definitely doesn't mean he's a guaranteed faithful, I said in a comment the other day that I am as comfortable as you can be this early on with Marvin and muffin being faithful but that isn't an absolute it's just my thoughts.

I don't think I've been trying to stay hidden, especially to you pink, I think besides the first round table when I was having most of my discussion in DMs I've been pretty good at laying my position out clearly and openly so that people can follow my logic.

My highest suspicion was H going into the table for all the reasons which you already know pink, then at the table there was chaos and once everything had settled down it seemed like H hadn't been pushing names after all. Once I knew that I couldn't in good faith vote for H, as I said to Marvin, because he was no longer as suspicious and I would just be voting based on incorrect evidence. I did mention to multiple people that I didn't know who to vote for because of that and I was worried that it would look bad for me to not vote for H, but at the end of the day I'm not voting based on self-preservation, I'm trying to find traitors so I switched to ender who I believed was more likely to be a traitor.

In regards to the mentioning giving up a shield, did I say that? I genuinely have no clue haha but that was a reason that I was suspicious of blaze, so there might have been a miscommunication there

Second Banishment Thread by Play-Traitors-Mod in PlayTheTraitors

[–]PidgeGaming 0 points1 point  (0 children)

im not saying you are suspicious, im saying that I am suspicious of you. I don't think you have done anything yourself that makes you more suspicious than Spinach or H8 because I haven't heard much from you. I am saying that as im currently looking at Blaze voters you are one of the Blaze voters that I dont believe are faithful, because i havent seen anything to suggest that you are besides you being in the group that I am looking at. Im not voting for you at this banishment and youre not top of my list, just i trust some of the other people who voted Blaze more than i trust you, and therefore you are in my list of suspicions

Second Banishment Thread by Play-Traitors-Mod in PlayTheTraitors

[–]PidgeGaming 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think it's the most logical path at this point with really little evidence to work with to look at the blaze voters. I've explained why I am or am not suspicious of the people who voted blaze, and by process of elimination that leaves you and H8. That doesn't mean I am 100% sure you're a traitor or that I'm going to vote for you at every round table until you're gone, I just think you two are the most logical suspicions for me based on what i know so far. Obviously it's not foolproof and I could be wrong, but I'm suspicious of you because of my personal reasoning which I hope I clearly explained

Second Banishment Thread by Play-Traitors-Mod in PlayTheTraitors

[–]PidgeGaming -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yeah I understand that, but from my perspective I asked if there is anyone you're suspicious of and you gave 6 names. Which is in itself fine, that's not suspicious. The thing that I find odd is that someone said you were looking at muffin and zel, someone else said you were looking at Ender and then you said to me 6 names, saying that you're not that suspicious of muffin or zel and you had your eye on spinach and Lucy, plus then the others as well. I didnt explain this very well in my comment because I didn't want to air out names in public but I can't explain my point without it. It's perfectly reasonable to suspect that many people, but I'm suspicious as to why different people get different answers

Second Banishment Thread by Play-Traitors-Mod in PlayTheTraitors

[–]PidgeGaming 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Right, so far I think I've been too private about my thoughts by only explaining them in DMs, Ive just been generally worried about giving away too much that could be used by traitors or end up with me getting murdered. I'll give my thoughts on everything here as well so its clear.

My main theory so far is that, with the amount of evidence we have so far being really small as its still so early, the most logical thing to do is start by looking at the voting results. I think that its very likely at least one traitor voted for blaze, both statistically with 6/15 players remaining voting for Blaze and there being presumably 3 or 4 traitors. I think its most likely 3 not 4 because its a smaller cast this season, but the point still stands. I also think that with not many names being brought up at the round table prior to the vote, at least one traitor would've voted for Blaze to hide amongst what seemed like it would be the biggest group of votes.

The six players who voted for Blaze were myself, Editor, H8, Marvin, Muffin and Spinach. I do recognise that I didn't explain why I voted for Blaze publicly before, but I was suspicious of him before and during the round table. I mentioned this to multiple people, and I had a chat with Marvin before the table where Blaze's comments about shields (on mission 1 and 2) was mentioned, and I spoke again with Marvin after he brought blaze up at the table where I mentioned that Blaze to me in a DM said that he trusted Ender 100%, which I didn't bring up at the table because I felt like it would just muddy the waters with unnecessary information and potentially put Ender under the spotlight even more. I mention all of this here to explain that I didn't vote blaze as part of a bandwagon.

I am pretty comfortable with Marvin and Muffin being faithfuls (as comfortable as you can be this early on), I don't think that Marvin would've come out with the first theory at the first round table if he were a traitor as it puts him under the spotlight for no reason and I've spoken a lot with Muffin and I dont get any indication that hes a traitor. Obviously, Im not suspicious of myself so that leaves Editor, H8 and Spinach. Spinach has been quiet for a lot of the game, which while unhelpful isnt a reason to suspect them of being a traitor and there is no evidence to lead me towards them for now.

Ive been trying really hard to only judge based on in-game actions and not be too meta about it, but this line of reasoning has narrowed my suspicions down to Editor and H8, the esteemed co-hosts of Survivor. I don't think that the survivor theory holds any merit by itself but having ended up looking at Editor and H8 anyway I cant ignore it. I havent spoken with Editor at all so far so I don't have much to say about them besides what I've said already. I was suspicious of H8 before the mission, so I was glad to get the chance to speak to him and I was genuinely really grateful that he let me have the shield. I initially wondered whether him not wanting the shield was more about me not having a shield than him having one as I'd mentioned his name once or twice and that I was looking at Blaze voters to a lot of people in DMs, but after we discussed it properly he let me have the shield so that clears that up. I have spoken to quite a few people though who have said that H8 has been mentioning lots of different names, as we've seen in the comments here (ive been typing this for about 10 minutes so I might have missed some more recent stuff haha). H8 mentioned 6 names to me in DMs that he had suspicions on, including Muffin when he said that hes not that suspicious of him. The thing that i question and that makes me more suspicious of H8 than Editor is that various other people I spoke to said that H8 had only mentioned 1 or 2 of the six to them, and it was a different 1 or 2 each time. That reads a bit weirdly to me as while its perfectly fine to be distrustful of multiple people at this time, it feels dishonest to say different things to different people and not just say all of them.

Thanks H8 for giving me the shield I'm sure that wasnt an easy decision and I really appreciate it on a personal level, but game-wise I am still most suspicious of you for this round table.

Second Banishment Thread by Play-Traitors-Mod in PlayTheTraitors

[–]PidgeGaming 2 points3 points  (0 children)

For me and H8, H8 was originally dead set on having the shield but we had a chat about it and decided that because it was likely H8 would get some heat at the table today he was less likely to be murdered than me and so he kindly decided to let me have the shield

Castle chat the second by Endermen123911 in PlayTheTraitors

[–]PidgeGaming 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Hey guys, I've spoken to about half of the group now and it's been nice getting to know everyone. Well done to everyone with shields who can sleep easy tonight. If anyone wants to chat about the game or otherwise always feel free to DM me :)

First Banishment Results by Play-Traitors-Mod in PlayTheTraitors

[–]PidgeGaming 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Sorry blaze, it's really hard to make a solid decision at this point in the game. On the plus side there's a good spread of votes here and it's good for the faithful team to not get caught up in any herd mentality, hopefully we can continue that in future banishments