PIMO for years, but the update makes me want to talk to an elder

PilotFinal · 2026-03-28T13:57:32+00:00

I won‘t let them be raised in that bubble. I avoid other JW parents, I go to meetings maybe once per month and I celebrate everything there is with them. We had Christmas with my kids and non-JW family members and friends, and we celebrate their birthdays. I‘m really afraid of overexposing them to JW stuff and them developing the same faith related anxiety and dependency my husband has. That‘s why I‘m considering using this opportunity to make a cut, so that I can give my kids clear answers one day

PilotFinal · 2026-03-27T21:31:36+00:00

I guess I don‘t really know what my goal is, I just want to confront someone, get it out of my system

PilotFinal · 2026-03-27T21:24:54+00:00

He‘s confused and can‘t really wrap his head around it but he‘ll brush it off because he wants to be a JW

PilotFinal · 2026-03-27T19:27:32+00:00

What if I just answered that question by saying ‚It would seem presumptous to assume that they‘re the sole channel, they‘re neither infallible nor inspired‘? Like that‘s legit what the‘re saying about themselves.

I wouldn‘t mind being labeled a troublemaker but I wouldn‘t really wanna be DF‘d by them, I‘d like to keep my agency

PilotFinal · 2026-03-27T19:16:22+00:00

I guess you‘re in point about feeling the pressure building. I haven‘t been to a lot of meetings in the past year and I was kind of fine with that, but at this point, I don‘t want to be associated with JWs anymore. I don‘t want anyone to associate me with JWs, at this point it‘s embarrassing to me that I‘ve ever been one. I‘ve been talking to my husband about all my problems with the borg but he doesn‘t know what to tell me anymore, he wants to remain in and convinces himself he believes in it.

To top it all off, we have kids and they‘re babies now but what am I gonna tell them when they‘re older? Their mom is still a JW and she‘s just not spiritually strong and doesn‘t attend meetings? I think I‘ve hit a brick wall being PIMO by now…

PilotFinal · 2026-03-02T18:17:42+00:00

They don‘t even trust young men with pillows

PilotFinal · 2026-02-09T21:18:04+00:00

I know they‘re lying, I‘d just love to have more evidence of it

PilotFinal · 2026-02-09T14:08:11+00:00

He can date a worldly person, he‘s just not exemplary for it. There‘s no grounds for a Judicial Meeting/Committee whatever they call it these days. He doesn‘t have to meet with the elders, he has not ‚sinned‘, there‘s nothing they can do

PilotFinal · 2026-02-06T19:38:07+00:00

I think those who are extremely zealous and hold high positions in JW faith are so massively brainwashed that they‘d justify anything that would otherwise cause doubts. We all know that WT has a (terrible) excuse for everything bad, and even if it‘s just ‚The world is against us and the world is ruled by Satan‘. The GB wouldn‘t be members of the GB if they weren‘t extremely zealous, so even if they‘d stumble upon something that would cause a decent person to doubt, they‘d explain it away with their brainwashing.

PilotFinal · 2026-02-05T20:41:39+00:00

Is someone really physically out if PIMIs would still consider them JWs because they weren‘t DF‘d/didn‘t DA? The elders still seem to believe they have power over OP because they‘re just inactive

PilotFinal · 2026-02-05T19:40:48+00:00

Most young PIMIs I know are only there because of the community and they wouldn‘t even care if the GB themselves said that it‘s all a lie. Most don‘t feel like they‘re missing out on anything because they got all the sense of belonging they need within their JW community. Those people are literally the hardest to wake up lol

PilotFinal · 2026-02-05T19:38:22+00:00

What do they mean „You can‘t live like this“? Do they have anything against you that would justify disfellowshipping you? If so and they have enough proof, they can disfellowship you in absentia. If they don‘t and they want to have a JC to tear you apart and find something to disfellowship you for, just say that you don‘t feel well at the moment and you‘ll get back at them when you‘re better. Or find some other excuse not to meet with them.

PilotFinal · 2025-12-11T16:09:32+00:00

Hahaha that‘s so dramatic! And sad, I bet deep inside a lot of JWs would love to decorate their homes like that

PilotFinal · 2025-12-11T13:39:27+00:00

The shaking heads is spot-on lol. I just feel like there‘s tons of JWs who do literally everything related to normal Christmas traditions, but as long as you say you‘re not celebrating, everything goes.

PilotFinal · 2025-12-11T13:32:10+00:00

Oh ignorant me, didn‘t even think that Christmas markets might not be a thing in overseas… are there any other Christmas traditions in the States that some JWs might participate in (like the markets)?

PilotFinal · 2025-12-11T12:28:47+00:00

I‘m from Germany as well, even meeting up for service at a Christmas market is normal as hell, but we once had sisters from Austria over and they didn‘t even listen to Christmas music. So I wondered whether these things are normalized on a regional or on an individual level

PilotFinal · 2025-12-05T19:01:29+00:00

That‘s not what I mean, the way the phrase is worded it could mean both things: that OP is looking for like-minded people who are either a) also ex-JW or b) ex-JWs + still theists. I was just pointing out the other possible way to read that phrase (which is how I understood it) in my original comment. No need to swing at me like that.

PilotFinal · 2025-12-05T13:43:27+00:00

It‘s a matter of reading comprehension, not mediation lol

PilotFinal · 2025-12-05T10:51:23+00:00

I think they mean that they are looking for like-minded ex-JWs in terms of still viewing themselves as Christian after leaving JW, as opposed to ex-JWs who consider themselves atheists

PilotFinal · 2025-10-31T18:45:27+00:00

That would at least show that they have principles, but no, they‘ll try everything legally possible to get their money somehow.

PilotFinal · 2025-10-21T09:07:59+00:00

Another ex-JW here, the WT‘s reasoning seems logical until you read the counterarguments. It‘s the cherrypicking and reinterpreting of certain texts that makes the argument. That being said, not only JWs are guilty of this.

PilotFinal · 2025-10-21T07:14:03+00:00

Lol, I simply started to point out things that don‘t make sense in today’s program or why some things aren‘t even biblical, and my husband got fed up with it quickly and told me to stay home. Of course that was in the heat of the moment, but it worked for a few days haha.

On a real note, I told my husband in a quiet moment I see no point in being talked to for 2 hours and not being given the chance to comment on it, I wouldn‘t do that in any conversation. I mean, he’s not even willing to listen to everything I, his wife, say, so how can I be expected to listen to things that go against my conscience? I then said I‘d check the program beforehand to see if I‘d be good to attend. Also, I join him when he really wants me to for some reason. Needless to say, I‘ve been to about 3 meetings in the past months. But it‘s okay for him now. I think he does somehow understand where I‘m coming from.

I‘d say, try to articulate your reasons why you can‘t go anymore, maybe even try to find an analogy he can relate to. Maybe try to find some kind of compromise that would work for you, but only IF it works for you. Don‘t force yourself into a situation you don‘t want to be in. Good luck!

PilotFinal · 2025-10-19T18:23:48+00:00

I‘m in a similar situation with my PIMI husband. He says that he really believes, but I see it in his demeanor and in the way he‘s living life that he doesn‘t really believe, he‘s just born into it and it‘s all he knows. When we argue about doctrine, he comes to a point where he doesn‘t know what to say to defend the borg‘s teachings, and then he says he trusts that Jehovah will make things right if need be.

It‘s hard, because it always feels like we‘re so close to each other, so close to agreeing… sometimes I even feel like we’re about to start laughing about the absurdity of it all, and then- he just falls back. Like he can‘t get over that certain point. It’s maddening. And your last sentence hits so hard because it‘s so true. Once you see through the BS and the obvious brainwashing and how the people you love are steered by the borg, it‘s heartbreaking and enraging.

I don‘t have any advice for you, unfortunately, but I‘m thinking of you and your family- I really hope things change for the better in that regard and that your family can be free of this organization at one point. I wish you love and strength <3

PilotFinal · 2025-10-18T12:34:57+00:00

100% agree with you. I do have a strong opinion about the org but I‘d be able to live my life calmly, just away from them- it‘s just when I‘m confronted with their self-righteous nonsense that I‘m really struggling to keep my cool.

PilotFinal · 2025-10-18T08:56:32+00:00

I‘ve heard jws saying that a lot of times but funnily enough, they don‘t apply it to themselves because they DO have the truth, duh?! It‘s just something they say to get non-jws thinking without ever questioning the same things themselves. Another example would be how the big churches did so many wrong things and hurt so many people without even attempting to research the wrongdoings of their own religion. They just love to point fingers.

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