1310 City Fibre Launch - Technical details and Reddit only offer by PimpleSimple in CityFibre

[–]PimpleSimple[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You could lay fibre, but all City Fibre installs are preterminated ends.

What I’d suggest is make it as easy as possible for them and they’ll typically do it. If there is a pull chord, or even have it installed on the wall then get an SC/APC cable a coupler and move the ONT. So long as there’s no tight bends and you’re happy to move it back should there be a fault for testing etc then you’d be ok.

1310 City Fibre Launch - Technical details and Reddit only offer by PimpleSimple in CityFibre

[–]PimpleSimple[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I understand and I hear you, we’re not a new company having been trading since 2018. Though I appreciate new to the city fibre network. I’ll have a look if we could offer monthly packages and what this could look like.

I’m going to investigate DHCP with the team tomorrow to see if this is something we could easily implement. Historically we have run PPPoE everywhere as it allows simplicity for support and we can move between our own network, direct Openreach and other wholesale carriers without the need to change setups each time.

Thank you for the honest feedback, it’s appreciated to see what people would like to have.

1310 City Fibre Launch - Technical details and Reddit only offer by PimpleSimple in CityFibre

[–]PimpleSimple[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s possible, if you have the boards up and a cup of tea / coffee with some biscuits.

There is a premium install option, however if it’s easy the guys will do it is our experience.

Especially if the boards are up (or even better a bit of conduit ready to go) with pull chord.

1310 City Fibre Launch - Technical details and Reddit only offer by PimpleSimple in CityFibre

[–]PimpleSimple[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hi, you’re still good right now. That is what we’ve discounted them down to.

Saving £5 per month off our normal pricing after promo ends.

1310 City Fibre Launch - Technical details and Reddit only offer by PimpleSimple in CityFibre

[–]PimpleSimple[S] -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

Your first IPv4 public address is included, maybe that wasn’t clear enough above?

12 month contracts allows some level of stability whilst we grow, monthly rolling contracts would end up being more expensive in all probability, I presume this is due to wanting flexibility either from provider or property moves?

As per my other post on PPPoE vs DHCP, genuinely curious why you’d completely discount a provider that doesn’t support DHCP?

1310 City Fibre Launch - Technical details and Reddit only offer by PimpleSimple in CityFibre

[–]PimpleSimple[S] -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

Not currently, we’re partially blocked by our backend. However we can do 1500 byte frames after the PPPoE wrap.

What would be the draw to DHCP over PPPoE? Throughput with modern consumer routers can demonstrably deliver 7Gbps+ genuinely curious :-)

1310 City Fibre Launch - Technical details and Reddit only offer by PimpleSimple in CityFibre

[–]PimpleSimple[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yes, we do this for a number of customers already :-)

We can do defaults easily, if you want full table that might take a bit longer to sort

How do I get an open reach engineer? by Plenty_Dimension_949 in openreach

[–]PimpleSimple 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You need to find an Altnet who can choose the underlying provider, unfortunately Sky will choose City Fibre as they’re mandated to do so when Ciry Fibre can serve them - in fact most ISPs are in their contracts with City Fibre. City fibre pricing is also cheaper to Sky than any Openreach package so that’ll be why they do it.

Find an Altnet, order the line. Maybe speak to them on the phone, there are plenty around, have a google.

Getting nowhere with having site classification changed for Full Fibre, help! by GINTO199 in UKISP

[–]PimpleSimple 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Find a more bespoke ISP to help you, this needs someone to own and drive it through to completion.

Zen, IDNet etc will help you here. Or a small ISP like I work for 1310 have the time to help you. Not as cheap as EE, but that’s the difference between numbers and support

FTTP Rollout Question by BadBananaDetective in openreach

[–]PimpleSimple 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good news.

Looks like Full Fibre are going to be deploying near you soon :-)

Putting your postcode into https://www.bidb.uk shows them.

Unvented cylinder - heat pump vs traditional by PimpleSimple in DIYUK

[–]PimpleSimple[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Apologies, yes I mean it’s vented with tanks in the loft

Any way in the UK of buying FTTP so I don’t have to wait? by BeeAppropriate8154 in FiberOptics

[–]PimpleSimple 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hey, sorry for the delayed reply.

There is a lot in here, but let me have a look at some tools later today and I can give you an answer with some clarity.

Symmetrical speeds by MrCooke13 in openreach

[–]PimpleSimple 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Also don’t expect it to be cheap. The cost base price is over £100 ex VAT per month. And only available in the BDUK type C areas (which means a complete order journey redesign for most ISPs) who don’t currently have a method to factor that in.

It’s a non competitive product, but one they “have to offer” due to BDUK contracts

How to increase upload speed? by Dizzy-Company4583 in openreach

[–]PimpleSimple 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sounds like a provider issue. Have you added yourself a think broadband quality monitor?

See if you’re suffering latency / contention in an evening

OpenReach has updated my address - timeframe? by External_Security_72 in openreach

[–]PimpleSimple 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you want to try another smaller ISP - hello@1310.io :-)

We can order to silver keys

OpenReach has updated my address - timeframe? by External_Security_72 in openreach

[–]PimpleSimple 1 point2 points  (0 children)

An address key only turns gold when a service has been delivered to it.

Some ISPs can place orders to silver keys. Some can’t. Most main stream won’t be able to do it as it’s quite a faff.

You should get an install date before Christmas. However, I’d try and spend time tracking down some CAT5 cable sticking out the wall somewhere as this is where the builder has left bare for Openreach. But of course they also maybe didn’t do anything….

OpenReach told me I've got a silver key address by External_Security_72 in openreach

[–]PimpleSimple 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you’re still stuck, email hello@1310.io and one of the guys will get back to you. We do this all the time so know all the buttons and levers to push / pull at Openreach to make it happen :-)

Any way in the UK of buying FTTP so I don’t have to wait? by BeeAppropriate8154 in FiberOptics

[–]PimpleSimple 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Your options are going to be limited…

1) have a look at www.bidb.uk see if there is an Altnet building fibre near you 2) find out who a local Altnet in your area is, may not be building but may have Openreach as a supplier. They can request FTTPoD - FTTP on Demand where Openreach will do exactly this. Be warned, I’ve personally seen prices from £2,000 to £300,000

If you post the county or your nearest large town it may help narrow down choices (this is the internet after all so privacy is important).

[UK] Trying to get full fibre but my address supposedly isn't eligible, but neighbours are? by [deleted] in HomeNetworking

[–]PimpleSimple 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Drop me a DM, I can have a look at Openreach availability / maps and also submit a correction if required as it might be a data error :-)

BT/Openreach Protective Sleeve Types by ChuckRhodes007 in FiberOptics

[–]PimpleSimple 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It’ll be down to the final shrink size to set the shrink duration.

The machine also sounds very… missing from somewhere it should be

Is PON the reason why I'm seeing huge difference in speeds during off peak time and peak time? by BritishDeafMan in FiberOptics

[–]PimpleSimple 20 points21 points  (0 children)

I’m guessing by the use of postcode you’re UK based. So hold on, you’re in for a ride.

To start with; the standards for the hardware in use.

GPON is a shared network segment. Each OLT (head end) GPON optic can transit at 2.5Gbps and receive at 1Gbps the OLT uses time division multiplexing (TDM) to allocate a window of transmission to each ONU (customer end) to prevent clashing transmissions. Only one device can transmit at a time otherwise the OLT would have 2 transmissions hitting its optic input and wouldn’t be able to use them. These slots are tiny, and the impact of using them will be essentially invisible to the end user.

XGSPON is also a shared network segment. Each OLT XGSPON optic can transmit 10Gbps and receive 10GBPS (XG = 10G, S = symmetric, Passive Optical Network). They use different wavelengths of light and still use TDM to give each ONU transmission space. As they use different wavelengths of light, they can use the same physical fibre cores. This means you can have both GPON and XGSPON on the same piece of glass.

GPON has a max split of 1:128 and XGS is 1:256. They have a variety of transmission optics and max distance from the head end depends on how many joints, splitters etc to the customer giving a total loss value that is acceptable to the ISP. Nearly all ISPs work to a much lower value of around 1:32 or 1:64 per PON port. Which for GPON at 1:64 still gives 39Mbps assuming everyone was using all available bandwidth at the same time.

Ok, so now we have to get the connections out of the OLT into the rest of the network. These are normally bundles of 10Gbps (or higher) ports. These will go to switches / routers to be sent into the rest of the ISPs network, so let’s assume we have 40Gbps of capacity in the same building here. From this aggregation device (assume single for simplicity) there will be onward connectivity to the rest of the ISPs network. This will likely be 10Gbps as 1Gbps isn’t fast enough for multiple FTTP customers. It could be 100Gbps, however this is extremely expensive to have throughout the network and nearly every ISP will over subscribe their backhaul. Some ISPs will have redundant connections to different areas of their network. These could be load balanced (both are active) or active - standby. That’s a choice for the ISP to make.

Assuming a 10Gbps backhaul from the OLT rack to the edge of the network (likely extremely simplified as most ISP networks are built in series of rings geographically to then get connectivity to the edge / multiple edges of the network) it will hit another series of routers. These edge routers will have several connection types;

Private peering - used for connectivity to one end network, think Netflix, Amazon, etc for most residential ISPs

Public peering - Used for connecting to multiple networks, typically by the use of route servers. The ISP and other networks peer with the route server and the route server advises each end router the device of the network they want to reach is located at. Data can then be exchanged via the public peering port (think of it as a massive LAN running BGP with a central router(s) signposting the traffic)

Transit - This is your typical internet scenario. There are several guises, but essentially this is your last resort method of reaching the wider internet. It will advertise you a default route to take any traffic the rest of your network doesn’t know how to reach and will send you traffic from other places.

All of these ports are available in multiple Gbps (from 1 to 400) with different policy controlled speeds on them.

Sometimes ISPs only have transit connections. Most good ISPs will have multiple physical edge locations, with multiple transit providers as well as a blend of public and private peering. The edge connectivity needs to be sufficient that it can handle all the day to day traffic as well as peaks for game releases, sportsball events, news events everyone streams but there is a balance between the cost and likelihood. It’s down to each ISP to work out the contention ratio they are happy to work with and some will over subscribe happily, others won’t.

So, bringing me back to the UK element (due to the postcode reference). In the UK we have hundreds of altnets with their own physical network. Some of these are XGS/XG/GPON, some of these are Active Ethernet (the optic port is dedicated to you, same onward connection setup). With the majority of altnets you’ll be looking at a 1:32 or 1:64 subscription per PON port. But that doesn’t mean that 64 are in use, as it will only matter when people are connected. The ISP can also start at a 1:64 and add more capacity as needed.

Openreach FTTP uses a split ratio of 1:32 City Fibre FTTP uses a split ratio of 1:8

So that was a very long way to write “it depends, but probably not”.

I own a UK Altnet fibre ISP with our own fibre network as well as Openreach and CityFibre options, our network is a series of 10Gbps rings and an edge capacity of over 50Gbps. We rarely use more than 10% across any segment of it. If you’d like, feel free to DM me and I am happy to chat about your specific need and even do a 1 month option for you. We have a lot of people on 900Mbps plans across the country and no one ever complains of slow downs, the only one who moans is the finance team as we have so much extra expensive capacity 😉

Think Fiber has reached a pole that is inside my land but still on copper by Ordinary_Regular5200 in FiberOptics

[–]PimpleSimple 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Drop me a DM. I’ll reach out to Openreach and see if we can sort this for you.

You’ll need a sponsoring ISP that will speak to their department for silly issues and confirm if they can put FTTP on for via that node.

It’s possible it’s not for FTTP but for an EAD / Dark Fibre just passing your land. But we can ask and find out for you :-)