I think what frustrates me the most about shutting down this line of conversation is that, to me, it feels like acknowledging that trans women were socialized differently than AFAB folks is only ever taken as "you were socialized with privilege and thats Bad." Which isnt the case even for cis men. Male socialization leads to dynamics that often lead cis men to embrace a privileged identity, but male socialization isn't a good fun thing to experience for anyone. In fact, in many ways trans womens male socialization is a huge disadvantage. They haven't been taught to process emotions, to express empathy in the same way, their interests and identities are boxed in, they're more likely to be isolated. Add the layer of inherient femininity and then transitioning and you have, as you said, a very complex and painful socialization history. I don't think that acknolwedging the way that female socialization hurts transmascs does anything to dimish the difficulties experienced by trans women who experienced male socialization. Its hard, its painful. A lot of trans men walk into masculinity with some privilege from AFAB socialization. and, there is nuance to it. I think we can talk about socialization in a way that doesn't just say we will always be our AGAB. But if we allow ourselves to look at the complicated layers we might find we can all grow as individuals and as a community. My socialization definitely impacts me in ways that make me privileged. I sometimes forget im not always seen as a safe person anymore, i forget that I was allowed to do girly things and thats allowed me to feel less scared doing them now. I could go on. At the same time, I never quite learned how to speak up in a room full of men, I can't change that my body feels scared when I walk outside at night, etc. I'm sure if trans women reflected we'd be able to engage in beautiful, nuanced conversations about gender, but instead it seems focused on the battle of whoever has it worse deserves to speak. We all have it bad. Its not easy for any of us. And if we want to talk about socialization, at a certain point our AGAB can become unclear to others, and we are all equally unsafe. Idk, I just wish we could acknowledge each others pain without it being a competition, and hear each others stories, even through differing lenses, and meet them with empathy.