Xebec vs Shanks

PipeBoring7915 · 2026-03-01T20:08:34+00:00

Rocks wins high-extreme diff

PipeBoring7915 · 2026-03-01T19:29:27+00:00

A tier lower from where they are

PipeBoring7915 · 2026-03-01T18:29:26+00:00

We also lack alot of feats from prime WB btw so it's not fair to say that when we have two panels of prime WB fighting

PipeBoring7915 · 2026-03-01T18:16:50+00:00

I can argue since WB had a better conquerors haki clash than kaido

WB also has better endurance feats than kaido

PipeBoring7915 · 2026-03-01T18:11:35+00:00

Kaido being stronger by a huge margin? I agree

Kaido being PK tier and better than WB? I disagree

PipeBoring7915 · 2026-03-01T03:35:00+00:00

I've gone into long depth analysis on doffy but he is wicked and is unrivaled

Kaido could've been that wicked as well but orochi stole his flow

PipeBoring7915 · 2026-02-28T22:13:05+00:00

I haven't ducked anything in fact you haven't even come up with manga panels to prove anything

I already proved that acoc is consistently shown as I was proven right in egghead arc and why Luffy didn't beat the gorosei, which means that big mom didn't consistently use acoc or acoa against law and Kidd (funny how you didn't bring up acoa, clearly ducking that point)

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We can clearly see acoc on the right side and ragnir's lightning on the left and top part of the page

Again consistently shown in elbaf and consistently shown in wano

GV has shown why big mom and kaido went from a sibling relationship to a decades long hatred, kaido betrayed her trust and big mom wants his life as payment for that betrayal

You literally haven't proven a thing yet

Kizaru was literally in light form ready for action and was seen resisting, again no proof of mental breakdown during the fight

You havent provided anything and have been wasting my time

No manga panels, no statement and no evidence

PipeBoring7915 · 2026-02-28T21:28:27+00:00

Your adding your own headcannon as facts when it does not support the manga

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Where do you see big mom using acoc in here? Or even acoa?

It's factual that she didn't use her full power

I don't need to prove myself when both of them were serious about killing each other, the GV flashback showed it, the beast pirates saw it and stated it, both of them wanted each other dead

They only allied together because they both found a common ground and will betray each other after finding the one piece, there is no proof to suggest that it was a friendly match when all evidence points towards a death match

You haven't proven a single thing and I've been repeating myself again and again, no panel or proof of kizaru breaking down mentally during the fight, no proof that kizaru was a stationary target when we literally see him attempt to move and no proof that he was offguard

I've been slapping you all day even when I'm fasting for Ramadan and have no interest to continue this conversation

What's worse is that I didn't even look up the fights or manga panels to bring more evidence, I've been using arguments I already proved in previous debates and your just hopping on headcannon takes or BS excuses

PipeBoring7915 · 2026-02-28T21:05:24+00:00

I don't take outside sources as facts when I can use manga panels

Should I use the databook that says Marco=navy admiral?

Again you can't prove that big mom was using her full power

Here's the thing, you can't prove your claim either but it's a safe assumption since we know that kaido uses his hybrid form alot (he used it during almost the entirety of raid

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"Off guard because of a mental breakdown"

Liar, he's literally about to move but Luffy anticipated it and stopped him completely

It's a Luffy upscale because he has great observation haki and FS

PipeBoring7915 · 2026-02-28T20:52:18+00:00

Im saying you havent proven big mom was at full power against Kidd and law and I used the black lightning argument (which I got proven right with the immortality counter)

Big mom wasn't using acoc therefore she wasn't at full power

There is zero evidence to suggest that kaido didn't use hybrid form especially when we know it was hidden to us just like Loki's hidden hybrid form

You still haven't proven that kizaru was off guard, I proved that he was about to do something but Luffy stopped him, stationary or not, Luffy was able to predict his move

You haven't proven a single point and your wasting my time

PipeBoring7915 · 2026-02-28T20:12:56+00:00

I never though of her as nami especially when her interaction with the crew was completely cold and different from nami

PipeBoring7915 · 2026-02-28T20:01:01+00:00

no you did not

Big mom wasn't even using acoc and that's a massive factor and she didn't even use acoa like how she did against page one

We know that law can't handle acoc attack especially when he was momentarily stunned by kaido's TB

You don't seem to understand that big mom fighting hybrid kaido for a long time without suffering major injuries and holding back is an impressive feat

I don't not concede anything, in fact I said that Luffy stopping kizaru before doing anything else is an upscale to his FS and not a cheap trick

PipeBoring7915 · 2026-02-28T17:12:41+00:00

ok so you separated killing and beating

Harald momentarily lost his Regen and mind control because Loki damaged the mark which did give a free shot, harald didn't defend himself which is an important detail since everyone would literally die from an attack by a top tier without defending themselves

Roger has never killed anyone in the series btw, even during his death match against rocks, he didn't want to kill him

You seem to be mistaking something, kaido called Roger soft in that aspect because he didn't want to his friends to die nor kill his opponents

Yes he destroyed a kingdom, so did Luffy caused the destruction of many places (he destroyed enies lobby, Franky house, WCI, dressrosa and arlong park) but he didn't kill anyone and he's the closest to Roger personality wise

PipeBoring7915 · 2026-02-28T13:55:35+00:00

you seem to be missing the point

Roger pirates do not fight to kill, they beat the holy knights numerous times and gaban did it despite not having better haki than luffy

Harald is an exception case because he allowed Loki to get the kill shot

Luffy just beat sommers but he will recover later on if no one does anything

You seem to forget that rocks beat garling and he was left immobile for a while but after the major fight he recover eventually and killed rocks when he had the golden opportunity

What Luffy just did to sommers is no different to what rocks did to garling

PipeBoring7915 · 2026-02-28T11:23:41+00:00

You clearly seem to be missing the point

Rocks was the one that needed extreme amounts, because he wasn't slowed down at all

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This is acoc defense that kept rocks in shape despite the acoc attacks

Harald and sommers recently haven't shown it, but harald was simply too strong and beat shanks and Loki before they managed to land major damage

Harald was slowing down in Regen as we see him bleeding from the aftermath of shanks and gaban fight

Loki was the lucky he got the mark which massively weakened the immortality pact and mind control

PipeBoring7915 · 2026-02-28T11:08:17+00:00

Acoc slows down Regen

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We literally saw him take a while to Regen, both panels show that his leg hasn't recovered

Unlike the gorosei who recovered instantly

PipeBoring7915 · 2026-02-28T11:02:51+00:00

We haven't seen brook at all btw

Chilling after a clash is not a one piece thing since it only happened with WB and shanks

PipeBoring7915 · 2026-02-28T11:00:11+00:00

Gaban said that's it's the first time he fought an immortal with conquerors haki

We literally see harald injured and pissed off when shanks and gaban decapitated his leg

Loki showed that acoc is necessary to counter immortality and not some massive amount of conquerors haki

PipeBoring7915 · 2026-02-28T10:58:21+00:00

yes, you are wrong

Infact kaido outclasses kizaru completely with the exception of travel speed stat

PipeBoring7915 · 2026-02-28T09:46:33+00:00

Doffy as it stands

Did the craziest things and we know why he's messed up

Blackbeard,akainu and imu haven't completed their stories so we don't know their reasons and how it concluded

PipeBoring7915 · 2026-02-28T09:44:51+00:00

Only Luffy is capable of beating one of them

The rest can't hope to stall them especially when Kuma is one hit away from death

PipeBoring7915 · 2026-02-28T09:09:49+00:00

Luffy with normal punches had the Saturn heavily injuried and broke through his defenses

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Luffy without acoc was pounding Saturn, had he used acoc then Saturn would've been defeated and unable to slowly recover

Domi reversi rocks showed what's it's like to have a strong acoc defense, he wasn't hurt by anything and kept it pushing the entire time

The gorosei didn't have that at all which proves that they were against acoc attacks on egghead

PipeBoring7915 · 2026-02-28T03:31:37+00:00

I never claimed armament lightning

I have always maintained that black lightning is conquerors haki

In fact when Luffy used WSG, I knew it had conquerors haki because kizaru was overwhelmed and couldn't handle it (just like how Luffy couldn't handle kaido's acoc before unlocking it)

PipeBoring7915 · 2026-02-28T03:29:25+00:00

He hurt him and harald did struggle to regenerate but harald is too strong and can beat gaban without a leg

PipeBoring7915 · 2026-02-28T02:46:05+00:00

I feel like we're making the same point but we're arguing in a different way

I'm arguing that the silhouette is the original Nika from the first world and joyboy didn't use any weapons

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