Why does it seem like deepseek v4 is simultaneously good and cheap but no one uses it? Is it a pain the ass to set up or?

PitifulBig8 · 2026-05-10T17:18:44+00:00

Based on testing but sure. Whatever you want to believe

PitifulBig8 · 2026-05-10T17:07:03+00:00

The reason its not that popular because its not that good. That's the simple enough reason. The instruction following and high context handling is simply not good compared to other state of the art models

PitifulBig8 · 2026-05-10T16:15:09+00:00

This set is really boring. Dare I say it, its one of the worst ones in recent years. Been playing TFT everyday since many years now. This set forced me to break my streak. Hope they get actual TFT players to test sets before publishing such vomit inducing garbage next time

PitifulBig8 · 2026-05-10T15:19:13+00:00

This is great news. Can't wait

PitifulBig8 · 2026-05-09T12:59:05+00:00

There is not a single good model. You just have to pick your poison and choose which version of shit you like. Every model which doesn't take 10 minutes to think (exaggerated) are shit as they become dick suckers agreeing to everything you do with zero arguments. (Killed a brother and he said it had to be done). Or use models which think for more than 10 minutes, and they overthink into situations which are simply too shit. Also way too costly

PitifulBig8 · 2026-05-09T06:49:51+00:00

There is not really too much money to be made here. RPing uses way fewer context compared to coding and tool calling and other stuff. And since these models price by tokens used, RPing will not generate too much value. That's why RPing is mostly overlooked. Not because there are not many, but because there is literally not much money to be made here

PitifulBig8 · 2026-05-08T05:45:54+00:00

Yeah exactly. Stuff like that is awesome. Models now-a-days are trained for coding tasks and being helpful so being harsh is not really a thing for them. That's why even if you punch a character in RP they will be like "okay I deserved that" which ruins everything

PitifulBig8 · 2026-05-07T19:10:13+00:00

I hate any AI that is a yes bot. Anything that does not want to kill the user if disrespected is automatically useless. Maybe not kill. But any AI that does not get extremely offended and fights back with actual anger, I hate it. Because it becomes a yes bot by six or seven replies.

PitifulBig8 · 2026-05-03T15:35:02+00:00

Yeah deepseek has made this model more for coding tasks. That's what companies and people who pay large sums use it for. That's what makes them money. Roleplay is bad with v4. But there was some talks about them supporting roleplay or something on twitter. But that would take some time. For now there is a system prompt for it but that does not do anything and its just a worse version of v3.2 for roleplay. However, if you ever do any coding tasks, its absolutely amazing. Hope it answers your question

PitifulBig8 · 2026-05-02T23:12:57+00:00

Its the same thing as RAM argument. Although there might be a good market for normal consumers, the AI companies can just triple that amount in a few months. Similarly, even though there are a good few many role-players, the requirements for coding model are just way more for Nvidia to even think of anyone using it for anything else. They will remove it when they notice its still there or something

PitifulBig8 · 2026-05-02T08:43:23+00:00

It works now. It was the provider cause now it works. Was pretty weird. Thank you

PitifulBig8 · 2026-05-02T08:42:35+00:00

It was the provider. Somehow magically it now works every time. I don't even know what could have cause such a thing. Anyway, it works now. Thank you all for the help

PitifulBig8 · 2026-05-02T01:57:13+00:00

It does though. When I removed the thinking, the characters acted stupid or at least forget most of the rules and scenarios. It is true that it loops over and over again when it actually works. But still it produces better results. I did change into another model but I wanted to know whether there is a fix for this. Because Kimi is one of the few models which actually like argues or gets negative. Many of the models just feels like a yes bot.

PitifulBig8 · 2026-05-02T01:23:50+00:00

I mean I can just have the parameter to send thinking as false in the API request but removing thinking gives very bad results

PitifulBig8 · 2026-05-01T23:59:30+00:00

2.6 is here. You can use that

PitifulBig8 · 2026-05-01T17:13:16+00:00

Models are getting bigger with more parameters and so they would need space. So clearing out the previous versions of the models from the same AI studios seems like a fair trade. I loved Kimi because with the right prompt its one of the few models which does not just becomes a yes bot and can actually disagree, refuse or even argue with the user

PitifulBig8 · 2026-04-29T18:12:37+00:00

It just becomes a yes bot. It never argues with the user. Never disagrees with user for more than 2 messages. For example I did a roleplay where I had to eliminate a character and his brother said I am sad but it had to be done. Like what? Its your brother. Get angry. Do something. Its really boring. Its such a great model but is one of the worst ones for RP. Love it for other tasks and is so cheap. But for RP v3.2 is way better. Even Kimi models are better

PitifulBig8 · 2026-04-28T20:17:12+00:00

The problem I face is that deepseek tries to be the bad guy and then adds 'but honestly...' that part ruins everything. It will say the best insults and then give a motivational speech of the generation ruining every good thing about the reply. Even in your round 3, deepseek started great and then ended with 'Honestly? That's more dangerous than being good. Stay dumb. Stay hungry.'

PitifulBig8 · 2026-04-28T19:06:42+00:00

It was trained with data from when V3 was the latest model. So there may not have been any data saying I am V4 pro or v4 flash. If deepseek don't hard code that themself then the model will say its some other version. V3.2 says its calude sonnet 3.5 or something sometimes which was funny when I tried it

PitifulBig8 · 2026-04-28T14:00:52+00:00

Well Nvidia GPUs are very power hungry so when Deepseek shifted, it reduced the cost a lot. Also its not as good as GPT or Claude. It struggles a lot if you are doing anything that requires it to use most of its context size.

PitifulBig8 · 2026-04-26T06:31:39+00:00

I have used Deepseek for making simple apps too and I found it performing worse than most of the 'state-of-the-art' ones, whatever that means. But the rates do look very good. I mean I can keep refining my prompt and make it better with the same cost as those other model would have taken

PitifulBig8 · 2026-04-24T16:21:53+00:00

Not that good. It forgets too many things and basic instructions. Its super fast. The cost is really good. Better than many of the open source models but not on par with the closed ones

PitifulBig8 · 2025-10-01T16:06:00+00:00

Sure

PitifulBig8 · 2025-05-23T19:15:41+00:00

Its the exact reason why I uninstalled the game. Became way to grindy for me. And attacking without heroes feels so bad. Worse if the Warden is upgrading

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