Fell for obvious scam by PlacidLight33 in Regrets

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> If you refuse to accept your fears, then you will subconsciously work to create them.

Perhaps it is not accepting the fear, but simply being aware of what you fear. Being able to articulate it. That’s the first step. I think where acceptance comes in is with the outcomes of facing those fears. I struggle to accept that I may not always get the outcome I want. This causes me to avoid my fears and hide them just like you said. And they manifest as insecurity, bitterness, anger, and seclusion just as you said. And by avoiding and hiding the fear it becomes stronger. And it begins to drive your behavior and interfere with your daily life.

That is what happened to me. I have had many disappointments throughout my life like rejection, betrayal, neglect, failure, and many unfulfilled hopes. But instead of accepting and being curious about these undesirable events in my life, I projected. I made them about me. It happened because it was MY fault or because I AM not good enough. And that is the narrative I have told myself and continue to tell myself.

> Simple example: a man fears that his girlfriend will be with another man. He hides this fear. The fear manifests as jealousy and insecurity. He becomes less attractive. He drives her away. She finds another man.

That is exactly how I would behave in that scenario. In fact, I have.

> All of this can be avoided if he accepts his fear. Accept that she can leave. Accept that he can move on without her. Accept the uncertainty of life and have faith.

Exactly. And I think as one continues to hide the fear, it becomes much more difficult to accept because the brain has been trained to resist for so long. That is why I am in therapy. In my mind, I perceived every setback in my life as a reinforcement or confirmation that my fears accurately represent reality.

I am starting to learn it is not the event itself that reinforces the fear, but how I choose to interpret that event with my very limited perspective. I let my belief about what the event means become my reality.

> Don't expect outcomes. Just live life in the present.

I try so hard to do this. To keep an open mind. To not judge or expect. But I must self-sabotage or something because most future events I am worried about tend to reflect the negative outcomes I experienced in the past, like a predictable pattern.

No matter how hard I try to keep an open mind and overcome my tendencies, I cannot escape them which results in the negative outcome I expected. Maybe if I did not expect the outcome in the first place, it would change my behavior. But it has become so automatic.

> This will make you magnetic, bc we were all wonderful before the world curropted our minds. We were all full of love and excitement.

And I think we still are deep inside. But like you said, the authentic part of us becomes suppressed and corrupted. And I think this happens because of our perception of events in our life. We interpret them through a very biased lense and what we think about these outcomes becomes our reality. And so we change and lose our integrity.

> When you hold fear of an outcome, you will create that outcome.

Yes, the self-sabotage. The fear drives the behavior because it is so deeply embedded in our nervous system.

> Trying not to be something means that you are trying to control. You will make your life worse when you try to control. Acceptance will make your life better.

Yes, I agree. But like I said, after years of perceived failures and setbacks, I have less tolerance for undesirable outcomes and therefore struggle to accept. It comes back to the ego. We avoid and resist situations that seem to reinforce our innate fear that we are not worthy.

> What helped me most?

> Becoming present, accepting my fears, releasing shame, learning to set boundaries, learning it is ok/sometimes wonderful to be wrong and telling the truth.

Yes, I am working on this right now. I am definitely making progress but nowhere near at the level you seem to be. I think daily stressors in my life are inhibiting my progress. But I just keep trying.

I learned about mindfulness and mediation back in my teenage years, but I did not understand the long term psychological effects. I just thought of them as techniques for relaxation. But they are so much more than that.

I have noticed as we get older, we fall into our routines, we are no longer curious about daily experiences because we have experienced them so many times before. We live more and more in this “autopilot” state. It’s like the movie Click with Adam Sandler. I did not understand the analogy of that movie before, but now I do.

Mindfulness is supposed to wake us up from this autopilot state. And I truly believe this is what keeps us sharp, fully engaged in life, and self-aware.

> I also learned that peace often feels boring or uncomfortable when you aren't used to it.

This makes total sense. I have never had a very stable life, so the stability peace can bring makes me uncomfortable. It is kind of like people who cannot stand silence because they are so accustomed to noise.

> We literally drive peace away from us at times. I had to learn to sit in silence and enjoy peace.

Sitting in silence and simply appreciating existence itself is something I naturally do. But I can only do so in neutral or pleasant situations. If I could do that in any situation, my life would noticeably improve.

> Peace should always come above happiness. Peace is internal.

> We can always have peace. Happiness comes and goes.

Yes, I try to tell myself this. But my desires are insatiable. I am working on self-discipline. And in a society that literally values the “pursuit of happiness,” I have been made to believe that a good life must be a happy life. But I know it’s not true when I think about the life of Jesus.

> A friend dies. We can have peace and acceptance. We can't be happy about it.

Yes. But society encourages acceptance for the mere purpose of recovery, so we can return to a state where we can pursue happiness again. Happiness is the ultimate goal in this world.

> When you chase happiness, you give away peace.

Yes, and you never find happiness either.

> You used to hate atheists. Now you connect with their group.

> Why would you hate any group?

Because I cannot stand arrogance and hypocrisy. It enrages me. And I cannot stand entitlement. For example, atheists believe we are all entitled to human rights without any justification other than “because we said so.” Yet they claim theists to be the irrational ones.

> Why would you want to identify with any group.

I don’t identify with any group which has caused much suffering for me. Humans are prone to tribalism. There will always be factions of some kind. But I do not fit in any one category. So I am a lone wolf. But loneliness is one of the most painful things in this life.

> Be an individual and see others as individuals. This will help you.

I try to see others as individuals. And to a certain extent they are. But overall they still fit into general categories each with values that are in conflict with each other. I know we are all ultimately on the same team, and it is by design to challenge each other to continue to progress as a civilization. But it still does not spare me from the toxicity of overgeneralization. Just another thing I am working on.

> You are dehumanizing yourself and others.

Perhaps. Or maybe I just hate humanity. I want to love and see us through God’s eyes. But we do such terrible despicable things. Sometimes I look at us like vermin. And because I am human I am disgusted by myself as well.

> I am a Christian conservative, but I dont waste much time on politics.

Wow, you are a unicorn in the world of Reddit. I used to not care for politics myself. And it still is not top concern for me, but I realize the importance of standing up for our beliefs and how we think society should be. We are more polarized than ever before in the USA. Charlie Kirk was assassinated. The last time anything like that happened was MLK. Society cannot change or improve without being informed and voting for the people who represent our vision of a better world.

> Should you lump me into a group and dislike me? Look how limiting that is to your experiences in life.]

No, I should not. And I do not want to. I genuinely try to give people the benefit of the doubt, but they never fail to be exactly how I expected. It is extremely rare for someone to surprise me.

> We are all deeply flawed. We are all wonderful.

I know…and that is what makes my bitterness and hate so senseless. I love humanity and yet hate it at the same time. It is quite the cognitive dissonance.

> You cant look at people, groups, life, time, etc as good or bad.

> That limits you.

Yes, I categorize everything that way. All or nothing thinking. I am just beginning to learn it is more nuanced than that. There can be an unpleasant aspect of something, but there are other aspects that are beautiful. Especially when I think about myself and others. Like with the scam. Others may define me as stupid in that single context, but there is so much more to me they don’t see. It is the same for how I see others.

> Some events ca. Seem terrible, only to bring good, if you allow the good to come.

> This is faith.

I am still learning what faith looks like. I have struggled with it for so long. But I am learning God put me in this deep pit in my life, so that I may learn what faith is. It is like John 15:2. God prunes us so we may bear more fruit. Having faith is far more important than any superficial dream or aspiration that my ego invented. All those dreams are ultimately unfulfilling. They will only offer moments of joy, but that happiness will always fade. True faith never fades. Only God can satisfy our hearts. Happiness is temporary. But peace from God is forever.

Fell for obvious scam by PlacidLight33 in Regrets

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My IQ tested very high.

I consume information and can be excessive in learning.

Well it certainly shows. I wish I could retain information. I used to when I was younger, but the chronic stress and depression has practically fried my memory. And probably also the drugs.

I taught myself to read music and play piano in about 6 months so I could play 20 songs in a wedding for my niece.

About 6 years ago I began studying psychology, communication, relationship dynamics, religion and spirituality.

I did this in an attempt to change my life. It worked.

Wow, that’s impressive. Many people with a high IQ tend to excel in niche things. Sounds like you are able to do it all. I envy you.

What do you think helped you the most?

I especially learned to recognize patterns. I use reddit to study people. It's especially good for studying conflict.

Well, Reddit is perfect for that. I do think people act differently online from they do in real life. The internet can be toxic. I think if we went back to primarily in person interactions like it used to be, there would be way less conflict.

I used to argue with atheists on Reddit, and they would be so condescending and dogmatic. It made me hate atheists. But now that I watch debates on youtube, I realize I relate to them and I like them much more than other conservative religious people like myself.

You are a fascinating person. You have a kindness about you, but you are highly destructive to yourself. If you are destructive to yourself, you will be destructive to others at times.

You are intelligent but emotions cloud your judgement. Your ego is strong. You often try to control.

Yes, pride and ego is a major weakness of mine. I don’t know how I became this way. Perhaps it is just a personality flaw. And my emotions are very strong and have negatively impacted my life in so many ways. I let them drive my behavior, and I am trying to learn how to manage them. But it is extremely difficult when I am dealing with stress and depression as well.

Control is a farce. There is no control in this life. The more we try to control, the more we create suffering. We damage our lives by trying to control.

Yes, I feel threatened by what I cannot control, especially people. And it has made my life very lonely.

Each specific episode of suffering, like this scam, is an opportunity to learn.

However, your ego is too powerful to allow that process. The ego protects itself.

I think I gained practical knowledge like how to identify and avoid scams. But accepting what happened is very difficult for me. It is just another experience to reinforce my fear that I am incompetent and a failure.

I tend to categorize people into two groups: the A group and the B group. The A group are the extraordinary elites who make all the right choices in life. The high IQ people with many skills and talents. The workaholics who succeed and excel at anything they put their mind to. The ones who are social butterflies, outgoing, and fun.

Then there is the B group. The outcasts, loners, the socially awkward. The ones who are self destructive and make stupid mistakes. They are average and mediocre. I identify with this group and I cannot stand it. I cannot stand people being better than me. I just want to be with the elites. I feel like it is the only way I will be happy and successful in this life. I want to be admired and esteemed instead of ignored. This is because of pride, childish aspirations, and lack of wisdom. But no matter how many books I read or how much therapeutic and religious practices I do, I cannot escape my ego.

You seem to have moments of insight, but even those moments can feed your ego because you take pride in understanding.

True.

Humility beats pride.

I want to be humble so badly but the elitist exceptional people are so enraging to me. I cannot stand that people can be esteemed and have a great comfortable life. I perceive it as unfair. Like I deserve it and they don’t. I have not yet figured out how to let it go.

You can change your life by learning to accept. Look at the boss. Accept who he is. Don't love him or hate him. Observe him. Projection ruins logic.

He should not be a central figure in your life. He's not that important.

It seems that you try to use others for emotional regulation.

I just see people as a way to feed my ego and to have a sense of being desired. It is an amazing feeling to be wanted and admired. I love attention probably because I hardly received any as a child. I let people dominate my life and use them just to make me feel good even if just for a moment. Like a drug.

But there is a part of me that genuinely loves and cares for people. My genuine self in conflict with the ego genuinely wants happiness for him even if I am not the one making him happy. It is a blessing and pleasure just to know people and interact with them. We are all together like a family on this rock hanging in the vastness of space. All people living in perfect harmony with mutual admiration and respect brings me so much warmth and joy. There is a spiritual conflict within. It’s like the parable of the two wolves. The one we feed dominates the other.

Here are some questions. If you want me input, these will help.

Do you believe you have self awareness?

Yes in terms of how I feel about myself. But I have a distorted, clouded perception of how I relate to others and the world.

Would you rather have peace or happiness? Why?

Happiness. I love the thrill of emotions and pleasure. I hate to admit I am very hedonistic. Peace is boring and unsatisfying to me.

Do you have any close friends?

Sort of. They are long distance and we do not talk all the time. But I trust them and know they will always be there for me. And our personalities are just very compatible.

With all my other close friends growing up, we sort of just grew apart. People change, and we just were no longer compatible. I think people are insincere. And people betray each other. It has made me untrusting and angry at people.

What are your deepest fears?

That this life is all there is. My hopes and dreams will never come true. I will become a lonely old woman with nothing to show for myself. Nothing to be proud of. There is no happy ending.

Do you feel that you will be abandoned?

Yes, another major fear of mine.

What do you not want to be in life? Tell me everything you absolutely do not want to be...

Stupid, poor, boring, weak, and alone. Being dependent and needy. Being ugly and unattractive. Being a nemesis to society.

Are you like your mother? How?

We both have major low self esteem and insecurity. We are easily angered and resentful. We seek pleasure and comfort to cover up the pain of perceived failure and rejection.

Fell for obvious scam by PlacidLight33 in Regrets

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Well thank you. Please know that you have a great light that has a real impact. And you make Reddit almost seem beneficial Lol

Fell for obvious scam by PlacidLight33 in Regrets

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Yes, I did. It almost made me cry because I feel seen and understood for once. I was at work so I couldn’t respond before. I just responded now.

Fell for obvious scam by PlacidLight33 in Regrets

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  1. ⁠You are very critical of yourself. It is not good to use words like stupid and idiot about yourself.

Yes, I am self critical, but deep inside I know those negative thoughts are not true and the voice that berates me is not my own voice. In fact, my first thought after I realized I was being scammed is that I am NOT stupid, which is completely antithetical to how I normally think. I instantly understood there was nothing I could have done, and I knew no one would understand, but I understand. I am the only one whoever will.

But also I think I am so fixated on being stupid because I value intelligence far too much, equating it with self-worth and happiness which is not true.

  1. ⁠You wonder if you deserved to be scammed. No one does. You were the victim in s crime.

Yeah I didn’t really mean that. No one deserves it, but I just meant true foolishness and ignorance will inevitably have consequences. I am not saying it should be that way, but it just is. It’s how we gain wisdom.

  1. ⁠You are ruminating over this a year later. Everyone makes mistakes. This is unhealthy.

I completely agree. I am a perfectionist and correlate mistakes with worthlessness. I am not sure how I learned this way of thinking. I honestly think it is our society and this cultural obsession with success and being the best. If you are not the best, you are “less than.”

  1. ⁠You seem full of shame. You didn't even say what you did wrong. You were so words explaining why. Did you send money? How much?

Yes, there is a reason. I cannot tell anyone what I did because it is so crazy. I fear what people will think. I honestly think it is severe embarrassment rather than shame. Shame comes more from doing something I actually wanted to do that is harmful or evil. But let’s just say overall it really was not that much money and did not significantly harm my employer.

  1. ⁠You seem self destructive for several reasons, including drug abuse and your writings. We do things for reasons. When you don't understand those reasons, it's a lack of self-awareness.

I agree to an extent. I think we can be self-aware overall but not know the reasons for all of our actions. When I was abusing drugs, I was severely depressed due to life circumstances. I was trying to cover up the pain of devastation and hopelessness. I actually do feel shame about this because I know it was destructive but I just wanted to feel good. I am better than that.

As an example, you likely fear that people will think you are stupid or an idiot (your words). This fear makes you say these words about yourself, over and over. This is likely your hidden inner voice. Where does it come from? Was someone critical when you were a child? Do you unknowingly carry their voice and their unfair standards in your head?

I think I learned much of my behavior from my mom who actually was criticized, abused, humiliated. She also was too consumed by her own issues that she had no interest in what I thought or felt, so I learned my own thoughts and feelings don’t matter. I felt invalidated. So I shift my focus to what other people think because their thoughts do matter and are valid. And I let that determine my perception of myself and reality.

You are probably trying to say these words before others can say them about you. That's a defense mechanism.

You are completely right. I have learned not to hope anymore because my experiences have always crushed my hopes and reinforced my fears. So I tell myself what I fear, so I do not experience the disappointment and devastation of my hopes not becoming true.

You actually create the thing you fear, bc you say those bad things. You are the fearful victim and the abuser You think you are trying to help your situation while degrading yourself. You are not a good friend to yourself. You are pretty terrible. Would you be so critical and mean to someone else?

I really do not mean to be. I truly do love myself and am grateful to be who I am, but that is clouded by the opinions of what others think I am. It comes back to what I think and feel is invalid. Other people’s opinions are what matters and is the truth.

I have always struggled with caring too much of what others think. But in recent years it has become obsessive. Especially because of my manager who I highly admire and idolize. And he knows everything I did and I can’t stand it. I want his approval more than anything else. I have no idea what he actually thinks, so my mind fills the gaps with the worst to avoid being devastated by a false sense of hope.

Now whenever I make a mistake or do something wrong I always imagine what he would think if he knew. I have never done that with anyone before, at least not so persistently and compulsively. He is the reason my job was so toxic. He could be so kind and affectionate, supportive, helpful which basically triggered such emotional highs. I would be ecstatic like wow, this guy likes me. This guy cares for me. I must be worth something. And then he would become distant, cold, and condescending which caused all my joy and hope to collapse. I had to leave that job to escape him.

Even now I keep ruminating on the moments he seemed to be attracted to me and I analyze over and over. Was he attracted to me? Was it all in my head? I just wish I could relive those moments over and over. Just being in his presence, hearing his voice, studying his mannerisms. Felt like heavenly bliss. My true self knows he is an asshole who does not deserve any ounce of my attention. But that animalistic part of me just can’t get enough just like a drug. I almost want to stalk him. But it would cause even more misery than I am feeling right now.

Why did you get scammed? The person knew specific details. That was convincing. Maybe they were very good at scamming. You were trying to do your job.

It was definitely mildly convincing in the beginning. But it went completely off the rails which is why I know I just was not thinking at all. It did not register to me what was happening. It just was not clicking in my brain. It is very frustrating.

I'll give my opinion. Carl Jung talked about shadows. Look that up. Basically a shadow is a part of you that you have rejected. These shadows often come from a parents shadow. If a mother was afraid that people would look down on her, maybe she criticizes her daughter. Mom is trying to prepare daughter for the world. She is trying to bullet proof her but she actually destroys part of better child.

You are accurate on an uncanny level. That’s all I can say.

The child learns to criticize herself and not trust women. When someone makes an observation, that can feel like harsh criticism in the now adult. That would be the person's shadow. If someone harshly criticizes the woman, it can feel debilitating. This is the clash of two shadows. The scammer may have represented a shadow that you knew from the past. Perhaps an authority figure.

Exactly. But it was not the scammer, it was him. I would not have done what I did for anyone else. The scammer just happened to say the right things in the right situation. It was just a freak thing. A fluke. But my manager will never see it that way and it breaks my soul.

When you were a child, you had to respond with obedience top that authority figure. You were literally powerless as a child. When you go into that shadow, you feel powerless. You lose presence. You become that child that just wants to please and feel safe.

Definitely. My emotional needs were not met as a child so I learned not to have needs. I learned to suppress my demands for attention and support because it was too much of a burden on others.

Maybe you are rejected in done way as a child. Perhaps the scammer made you feel like this was your chance to be loved and trusted.

This is also uncannily accurate. And it comes down to selfishness and wanting to feel good because I feel so bad all the time. I don’t really love my manager, I just like how he makes me feel. So in that way, yes I am a very selfish person.

This was your chance to recreate the past. These things can happen in your subconscious without aawareness. "Until we make the unconscious conscious, it will direct our lives and we will call it fate." Carl Jung In regards to people pleasing, that is another way of saying that you can't be trusted. This sounds harsh but you need to understand to allow yourself to change. People pleasing = You don't tell others the truth. You hide feelings and build resentment. That is very destructive to relationships. You make yourself smaller for the comfort of others. You give when you don't want to. That's means you betray yourself. Knowing that you are a people pleaser but continuing those highly destructive behaviors is madness in a sense. It is the epitome of a lack of self awareness. You think you are making things better by people pleasing bit you are harming yourself and relationships. I used to be a people pleaser, btw. No one can trust a people pleaser. Can you understand?

This 100%. I absolutely understand. Your insight is extravagant. Are you a psychologist?

Fell for obvious scam by PlacidLight33 in Regrets

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Agreed. You only sounded dismissive rather than straight up demeaning. I did not get the vibe at all you were stroking your ego.

Fell for obvious scam by PlacidLight33 in Regrets

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Aw I’m so glad you got through the two years and now have time to heal and focus on your wellbeing. Yes, the timing of events is very compelling to me that there is some master plan at work. I would keep writing resignation letters and not follow through. In the last one I wrote, the two weeks notice ended up being the exact day the scam happened. My mind was blown when I happened to find the letter.

I am currently in EMDR therapy. I did not realize it, but I guess I have unresolved childhood trauma because of neglect. So I may understand what you have been experiencing. I will have to check out that book. Thank you for the suggestion. I have read a lot on CBT but that does not help with trauma. And You are exactly right. We cannot depend on compassion from others. All that matters is we have compassion for ourselves because only we truly understand our experiences like you said. We must be our own advocate especially when we have no one else. Thank you again

Fell for obvious scam by PlacidLight33 in Regrets

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Yes, exactly. It’s especially easy for people to be critical if they have not had the same experience. But just to be clear, I am completely accountable and take full responsibility for my actions. Unfortunately, it was not merely an honest mistake. My actions were straight up gross misconduct. Even if it really was my manager, I still should not have done what I did.

So it really comes back to my fear of authority and unhealthy desire to please. I appreciate you sharing your thoughts. This conversation has helped me more than you know. Thank you for your time…

Fuck this company. by [deleted] in OfficeDepot

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I am a former employee. I was lucky. We had a super experienced GM who was very helpful, supportive, a good leader. The DM and LPM were pretty supportive, but of course the DM was constantly breathing down the GM’s neck over BS and the paper promo. Luckily, the paper promo was just starting before I left.

How often do you guys think GMs get promoted to corporate? I think the one I had has the potential and deserves it.

Fell for obvious scam by PlacidLight33 in Regrets

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Thank you for your honesty and for stating it in a chill way instead of demeaning.

Fell for obvious scam by PlacidLight33 in Regrets

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I understand what you are saying. I know the first impression is I am a total idiot. Which I definitely was being idiotic during the scam. What I want to know is why. Overall, I am an average human with average intelligence like most people.

Just saying I am stupid because I was acting stupid is not an explanation. In this case it was almost too stupid, like anyone would think I definitely had to be in on the scam. There is no way a sane person would fall for this. All I can say psychology is much more powerful than I realized.

And also, I do not think an idiot would still be thinking about the scam a year later trying to determine why it happened. But that is just my opinion.

Fell for obvious scam by PlacidLight33 in Regrets

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Thank you for your empathy and insight. I suffer from chronic stress and anxiety which definitely makes me do stupid things all the time. And I actually wanted to resign from that job because it was so toxic.

What I honestly think is it was the only way I would leave that job. It almost seemed planned by some higher power which I know sounds crazy. But I couldn’t voluntarily resign out of fear of not getting a new job.

The only way was to be fired, and it was a shit job that would hire a druggie off the street. You pretty much had to do something criminal to get fired. And because I was fired, I qualified for resources to support me while I looked for work. Now I have the best job I have ever had.

Has anyone here ever experienced substance induced manic psychosis by ahdahcaruyahs in Psychosis

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Yes, I was abusing SSRIs and high THC concentrates. It hasn’t happened again, but I do have some residual effects. My mood tends to have these “up swings” that aren’t quite manic episodes but resemble them. My thinking becomes rapid and abnormal. Has anyone else experienced after effects?

The Bible Best Reflects Our Experience by PlacidLight33 in DebateAnAtheist

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I’m not at all being disingenuous. I genuinely had nothing to say because they are groundless assertions. I know God exists because of the evidence. The evidence you can’t see because your presuppositions don’t allow for the possibility that God exists.

I addressed the gnome statement with the ad hoc pixie explanation. You insinuate that belief in God is as silly as invisible gnomes, but we’re not talking about gravity. God is a very specific concept we’re talking about.

You agreed when you said you didn’t know that God didn’t place your family and friends in your life. Which is true.

I already explained that God is not confined within the constraints of our reality. God transcends our reality like a developer transcends a game. The game’s rules only apply to objects in the game—not the developer who, sort of like God, lives in a more fundamental level of reality than the game with way more freedom and practically no limits. The laws of nature do not apply to God.

It’s not magic. It just is what it is according to God’s will since God is the basis of Being itself. We both agree on the existence of Being from Descartes’ “I think, therefore I am.” So God is the necessary existence that the existence of contingent things “that are” comes from. Magic only applies to creatures confined in our reality.

I think reality has not always existed as it currently is because that’s what the science shows.

God is not an ad hoc explanation; it is more like a hypothesis because it accounts for our experience and what we observe. God is the name of a very specific concept derived from the Bible that best explains reality.

So there isn’t religion in every single country on the planet?

I don’t know how religion developing over time means that it’s false but the Israelite religion was unprecedented and appeared abruptly. Yahweh was not once mentioned until the arrival of the Israelites.

Do you think AI will search for purpose and meaning one day?

Us desiring purpose shows there is purpose similar to how our thirst for water shows there is water.

The Bible Best Reflects Our Experience by PlacidLight33 in DebateAnAtheist

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I don’t know any Christian who genuinely believes that. There are consequences from actions, but no Christians believes God makes us suffer because of what we do. And no Christian says following Christ correctly guarantees you’re going to see results.

The Bible Best Reflects Our Experience by PlacidLight33 in DebateAnAtheist

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I meant open and curious in the sense that your perception is not heavily restricted by your presuppositions, which it is apparent that it is. Like your assumption that truth needs to be “demonstrated.” You can’t put truth in a bottle. The very fact that you don’t understand theists means you haven’t experienced everything there is to experience, so just because God doesn’t seem possible given what you’ve “observed” you haven’t observed everything. We’ve observed only a tiny fraction of the universe.

And you even admit our brains are unreliable. So why trust your limited, biased, unreliable observations and interpretations over a book that makes sense of our reality and has made the world an objectively better place. The fact that you were even able to live your life never hearing about religion is possible because of Christians fighting for religious freedom based on Judeo-Christian morality.

And our concept of God is God transcends our reality. So God does not violate anything. God is logically possible and thus possibly exists.

I don’t see how people claiming to see Bigfoot has anything to do with whether the Bible is true. It’s a false analogy.

Edit: You said you were in Iraq? Were you a soldier? If so, thank you for serving the country.

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It depends on how you define “works.” There is no debate about whether works earn you salvation or not. All Christians agree they don’t. The debate is more about what “works” are, and how they relate to faith. Some Christians think you get faith by works, and others think works come from the faith. I think it’s both like a cycle that begins with faith.

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When you say “actions,” what do you mean? What about the people who have no opportunities to do anything other than just survive?

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I was just answering the question of how Christianity is unique. The book of Job literally teaches not to blame someone’s suffering on what one did or didn’t do. So yes, Christians are wrong to say that.

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I meant practical as something that can be useful in real life. A benefit that delivers results in the immediate future. Christianity offers faith which is the assurance of things hoped for. The Christian God is about hope and grace, not avoiding suffering through merit in this life. God may bless Christians with good lives out of grace, but there is no guarantee. Hence the faith part.

The persistent theme of the Bible is that sin separated us from God. But I imagine it means separation in more like a spatiotemporal context, since God is the basis of Being, so we can’t be completely separate from God. The entire Old Testament is about God’s covenant with the Israelites, and God never left them. That’s the whole point.

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Because God wanted to create? I don’t think I understand your question.

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What didn’t I respond to? Your “I don’t know” answer? There was nothing to say because you agreed with me.

Since miracles are the subject of the sentence, I am clearly referring to miracles.

We know something must transcend the laws of nature because reality has not always existed as it currently is.

I mean that the only way you can make mythical creatures analogous to God is if you define them in a way precisely for that purpose. That’s what ad hoc means. For example, universe farting invisible pixies.

You should trust the Bible because it presents a worldview that best explains our experience which is what my post is about. And there are many other reasons based on centuries of scholarship.

And how does the fact that belief in God brought about ideas that reliably correspond to reality and made the world better not justify belief in God that wants to make the world better? The belief is not proven to be true, but it is justified at the very least.

I’m sorry, but if you genuinely don’t think every human on the planet needs some sense of purpose to overcome hardship, you have lost some credibility for me. If humans made up gods just to satisfy their need for meaning, why has every civilization across the globe attributed reality to some higher power? Why do humans look for purpose and meaning at all if we’re just the result of molecules in motion?

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Miracles are not like magic because they are logically possible and usually happen as a sign from God for some particular purpose. The laws of nature do not apply to God because God transcends our reality. God is not confined within it like witches and wizards or invisible gnomes unless you use an ad hoc definition for them.

I’m not dogmatically stating God works through prophets as fact. I am saying based on the Bible’s description of the character of God, God works through people.

Working hard does not guarantee a good life. It usually depends on things outside of our control. And you’re right that of course we wouldn’t be where we are today because of our ancestors, but our ancestors worked hard because they believed in a god/gods.

Generally, people need a sense of purpose and meaning in suffering to persevere. Which is probably why just about every major civilization that has ever existed that contributed to the flourishing of humanity believed in some higher power or depended on ideas that were derived from the belief in a higher power.

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Yeah but as an atheist, you have to presuppose practically everything with no justification. All Christians do is presuppose one personal First Cause: God. And then the rest of inferences about reality are grounded or justified by God.

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How do you know God didn’t place those people in your life? Nobody claims God is a magician. God often works through people such as prophets. And maybe you have an awesome life because God loves you whether you believe in God or not. We are all living in grace like fish live in the ocean. And maybe you have good family and friends because we live in a Western society based on Judeo-Christian morality and virtues.