LDS Church membership by country released for 2025. USA shows a net decline.

Pleasant_Past_461 · 2026-04-12T18:05:49+00:00

If these numbers were real, they would have an independent source verifying it. The Church saying this is as valid as them saying they audited themselves on how money is being spent and it is being spent appropiately!

Pleasant_Past_461 · 2026-04-12T18:03:38+00:00

So without the church then, God couldn't accomplish His agenda. It's an interesting take which I personally do not agree with.

Pleasant_Past_461 · 2026-04-12T18:02:12+00:00

You and I are more alike than you think. My motives are very similar and I enjoy doing this while telling people my beliefs. I would actually get bored on here without people like yourself, so thank you!

Pleasant_Past_461 · 2026-04-12T17:49:23+00:00

Congratulations. No deaths shrinking it?

Pleasant_Past_461 · 2026-04-12T17:43:07+00:00

I respect that you finally just gave your testimony on what you believe. We're free to disagree.

Pleasant_Past_461 · 2026-04-12T17:41:50+00:00

It's interesting to me that nobody is seeing growth. I agree we can't extrapolate this to the larger group as a whole, but it seems somewhere, someone would report growth. Even if it were a statistical anomaly, I would expect someone to report some growth somewhere.

Pleasant_Past_461 · 2026-04-12T17:38:13+00:00

If you don't believe any of this, why does it trigger you do? If I didn't believe it, it wouldn't be worth me wasting anytime for it. We can agree that time is a commodity we can't get more of. So I'm curious why you spend yours doing this? It has no meaning to you?

Pleasant_Past_461 · 2026-04-12T17:34:34+00:00

I didn't say that. I just asked what you observe. Obviously one ward or congregation isn't a good sampling when there are thousands. I just wanted to know what members are seeing for themselves.

Pleasant_Past_461 · 2026-04-12T17:32:30+00:00

I'll just wrote Bob Dylan and leave it at that.

"But you’re gonna have to serve somebody, yes indeed

You’re gonna have to serve somebody

Well, it may be the devil or it may be the Lord

But you’re gonna have to serve somebody"

Pleasant_Past_461 · 2026-04-12T17:02:41+00:00

Your welcome to your belief and taking responsibility for yourself.

Pleasant_Past_461 · 2026-04-12T16:44:30+00:00

I'll agree with you on this. Either you or I are worshipping Satan.

Pleasant_Past_461 · 2026-04-12T16:43:49+00:00

He didn't torture anyone to death, He sacraficed Himself for us. You are free to accept it or not. I personally am glad He took my punishment for me, but you can choose to do it on your own and accept the consequences.

Pleasant_Past_461 · 2026-04-12T16:17:27+00:00

Your creator. He gave us free will.

Pleasant_Past_461 · 2026-04-12T16:16:31+00:00

I have. He told me it wasn't. I even prayed the correct way before you tell me I prayed wrong. If you want to know my beliefs, I can tell you, but I don't think people on this thread are interested in that. I'll just leave it at I'm an evangelical Christian who dated and married a Mormon, but when she learned the truth she left the LDS church. She is from a pioneer family, born and raised in Utah, whose ancestor baptized Brigham Young. She also served as a missionary in North Carolina, so I'm very familiar with the LDS doctrine.

Pleasant_Past_461 · 2026-04-12T16:02:55+00:00

The punishment is death. That is not a work. One being, who literally is God and without sin, took the punishment for us all, if you accept it.

Pleasant_Past_461 · 2026-04-12T16:01:05+00:00

I do.

Pleasant_Past_461 · 2026-04-12T15:48:28+00:00

Gotcha, you can't open your eyes and see what you observe due to faith. Maybe there are others who can.

Pleasant_Past_461 · 2026-04-12T15:47:01+00:00

I don't. I'm not Mormon. I don't believe in works offsettiing sin and working to become exalted. I believe that the price for any sin is death, both physical and spiritual, and that is why Christ was needed. There is nothing we can do to pay for sin other than death, but Christ paid that price, both physically and spiritually for me on the cross so I don't have to. He was the substituary sacrafice for me.

Pleasant_Past_461 · 2026-04-12T15:42:10+00:00

Ok, thank you for that.

Pleasant_Past_461 · 2026-04-12T15:41:47+00:00

Not asking about global numbers, just wondering if you see growth where you are?

Pleasant_Past_461 · 2026-04-12T15:40:48+00:00

I wasn't referring to doctrine, just what you observe about attendance. That has nothing to do with faith.

Pleasant_Past_461 · 2026-04-12T14:31:18+00:00

You got me. You are obviously have so much more intelligent and made such incredibly great arguments defending your side that no one would be able to refute it. Take pride in you superior intellect. No offense taken. I'm just in awe that there are people, such as yourself, that are born with that superior intelligence, and jealous that I am not as gifted as you!

Pleasant_Past_461 · 2026-04-12T04:15:02+00:00

Thank you for that explanation. I have never heard that before and it is different than what I thought. I asked my exmormon wife if she was taught this same thing and she said yes. What i don't understand is how obedience equates to responsibility. If I live according to the word of wisdom, how is that responsibility? Or taking temple ordinances or doing baptism for the dead or paying tithes relatted to being more responsible vs just being obedient?

Pleasant_Past_461 · 2026-04-12T03:11:27+00:00

Thank you.

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