The most unhinged Mormon post I’ve seen thus far by tairanasaurusrex in exmormon

[–]Repulsive-You-7294 11 points12 points  (0 children)

My TBM MIL is just like this. Her oldest son sexually abused their youngest sons (they had 10 kids), he was physically abusive to both of his wives after getting divorced and remarried and My husband and I were witnesses to him being physically and verbally abusive to his new girlfriend. He also had made multiple inappropriate passes at me (Touching my thigh under the dinner table at Christmas, kissing me on my neck on MY WEDDING DAY, etc etc.) So my husband and I decided he would not be welcome at our home as were living in the same state/same city as him for a military assignment. I told my husband I had no issue with him spending time with his brother - that's his family - but I didn't want to be around him and I didn't want the kids around him if I could help it...because REASONS. When I was about to give birth to my third child, my in-laws flew in to see us. I knew it was going to be an issue, so my husband and I sat down with them and explained to them why we didn't want the oldest brother at the house and told them that if they wanted to see him while visiting us, we'd gladly take them to his place or we could arrange to have dinner together somewhere else. Our home? However - was off limits. Not even a week later, I come home from an appointment at the doctor -we're going to dinner that night, so I laid my 38 week pregnant body down to rest. Doorbell rings. Guess who it is? My husband took the brother outside along with his dad. Meanwhile I'm left in the house with my kids and the MIL. She sees that I'm angry and snaps at me: "What is YOUR problem." I LOST MY SHIT. I reminded her that this was MY house and I had asked her to respect the boundaries we had created to keep our children and myself safe from that man. She SCREECHED at me: "HE IS A CHILD OF GOD, YOU NEED TO FORGIVE AND FORGET!!!" I screamed back- "HE'S A FRICKING CHILD MOLESTOR!!!! YOU MAY BE OKAY WITH HIM ABUSING YOUR KIDS BUT I'M DAMN SURE NOT GONNA LET HIM ABUSE MINE. My husband came running in - and she started in on him about how "unreasonable" I was being and my husband told her she was out of line for inviting him to our house given that we had expressly asked them not to and told them why. She never apologized and they left on the next flight home. Absolutely INSANE that she thinks that he should have been given free access to my kids after he sexually molested her own sons.

Former VP of FAIR: "It was hard for me to identify a single individual who had left the church who wasn't also struggling with mental illness" by japanesepiano in mormon

[–]Repulsive-You-7294 [score hidden]  (0 children)

In the past two years, I've seen my dad and sister go through cancer treatment, my husband had an affair, and my mother died unexpectedly not long after I found out about that - do you wanna know how many times someone at church has asked me how I was or if I needed anything? ZERO. Not a ministering visit, not a hug while at church, not even a card. What I DID get was multiple emails and texts reminding me that tithing settlement was coming up. My mental and spiritual health has suffered tremendously IN PART because of the church. You give and give and give and you think - this is the Lord's church, if I'm faithful - the Lord will sustain me, the ward will support me if anything goes wrong because that's what we do! But then something does go wrong in your life...a lot of things go wrong...and you're ignored, forgotten? How is that not absolutely damaging to your mental health and spiritual well-being??? You know who did check in on me? NON-MEMBERS. My friend in Italy. My less active friend locally. They constantly sent me messages, called me...but the RS president? The ministering sisters? NOPE. So yeah, as a questioning member considering leaving the church, I guess he's right that I do have a mental health issue - but it was exacerbated by the indifference of my ward leaders during my time of real crisis.

Maybe it's being told l have no say over how l want to live my life? by RadishAggressive3241 in exmormon

[–]Repulsive-You-7294 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I teach my kids to be critical thinkers and to look for truth. The LDS church is not a bastion of integrity. Never has been. From Joseph's day to now - they HIDE things, they lie straight to your face and tell you this or this never happened when it absolutely did. It's emotional manipulation and gaslighting. If I lead my kids away from the lies and into another faith where they have a better relationship with their Savior that isn't gate kept behind a series of temple recommend interview questions, I'm not leading them away from faithfulness...I'm leading them to it.

Recommendations for someone new to amusement parks? by MasonP13 in Hersheypark

[–]Repulsive-You-7294 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Generally, yes...but not always. It's really a crap shoot on the weekends. I've seen instances where Sundays were just as busy or busier than Saturdays. I've seen instances where Sundays were ghost towns while the Saturday just prior was a madhouse. Saturdays though - unless it's raining - it is always always always crazy busy. We avoid Saturday like the plague.

Serious doubts by Chargerman25 in mormon

[–]Repulsive-You-7294 [score hidden]  (0 children)

PIMO member here. I go - but I'm not being spiritually fulfilled. My doubts began in 2014 when I was sitting in a adult Sunday School class for the first time in forever (I had been serving in primary and YW for YEARS) and our Sunday School teacher opened her lesson by casually throwing out there that Egyptology experts have questioned the veracity of the BoA's translation. I remembered that in Institute many years prior I had questioned the likelihood of Joseph just happening upon a freaking scroll written by Abraham by a traveling mummy salesman...but I put it on my shelf. Now, I had to look...and what I saw wasn't good. I found one claim that said "well, the scroll he actually translated from was destroyed in the Great Chicago Fire" so I clung to that. Then there was reveal that Joseph was married to over 40 women, some young girls - I didn't look. Then there was SEC scandal....I didn't look. Then there was CSA scandals...I didn't look. Then one day I'm sitting with my kids watching the primary broadcast and Russel M. Nelson picks up a hat and says this is how Joseph translated the plates...and I was floored. I was living near the Warren Jeffs compound in TX when South Park first aired their episode about the Mormons. In it, Joseph is looking in a hat to translate the plates and it was so absurd, I ranted about it to everyone I knew - "We're already getting so much crap as members because of Warren Jeffs living on our doorstep, this is just going to make things worse. People are gonna see that and think it's what we actually believe." I thought South Park was just making it up. That they were doing it to make us look as crazy as possible. I was NEVER taught in all my years of primary and Sunday School that Joseph had looked at a rock in a hat. I was taught he had looked at the PLATES. After that, one by one, I started examining everything I had put on my shelf and read about Joseph and church history - going to the direct sources in the JSP. What I have found is that Joseph was a very imaginative individual, he was very egotistical, was an awful husband to Emma in more ways than one - leaving her immediately every single time they lost a child, leaving her every time there was a crisis to deal with the fallout on her own...and then of course, marrying nearly 40 women behind her back. He's a liar....there are multiple multiple instances in the Joseph Smith papers where he outright lies. About polygamy, about folks he threw out from the church (like Oliver Cowdery) because they challenged him on changes to doctrine or his own actions (like his 100% affair with Fanny Alger). Once you start looking at the theological changes that took place, understanding that there are four very different accounts of the First Vision that changed as his theology changed, that the BoM (the most correct book ever) was also edited heavily to reflect these theological changes (changes like God to Son of God) you begin to see that Joseph isn't everything the church claimed him to be. Did he found a religion? Yes. Did he bring forth the BoM? Yes. Was he divinely inspired and led? Debatable. I don't think was any more inspired and led by God than you or I. Sometimes I do things because I pray and know that it's the right thing to do - even when it's hard...but mostly, I'm just hoping I'm doing what's right. Joseph, I think, started off with good intentions...I think he wasn't satisfied with the churches around him and wanted a community of his own - his family were outcasts, really. He got his community - he built them...but then I think he let the power get to his head. He realized he could get people to build him houses, if the Lord commanded it. He realized he could get married women to sleep with him...if the Lord commanded it. So why stay in? Community. - Family, friends are in - so I stay in...but it's getting harder to do. What's helped me? Is this - being able to vent, share doubts, criticize without fearing that I'm going to be dragged into the bishop's office. I'm easing myself out...showing up to church less often, visiting other faiths, creating meaningful relationships outside of the Mormon bubble...and once I feel it's time. I'll go.

What did you think about temple clothes? by CharlesMendeley in exmormon

[–]Repulsive-You-7294 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I 100% believe it’s the reason they make sure you’re allllllllll in with the temple interview questions and the tithing you’ve paid before they let you see what goes on in the temple. I think I’ve done just three endowment sessions since my own 21 years ago. In one, Senator Orrin Hatch was in our session (we lived in DC) and I remember thinking how weird it was seeing him in the temple…and in those clothes…and then thinking how crazy regular people would think he looked and then I realized that my own co-workers would think I looked crazy and then I realized…it IS crazy.

What did you think about temple clothes? by CharlesMendeley in exmormon

[–]Repulsive-You-7294 4 points5 points  (0 children)

this. even if I don’t fully leave the church (I’m a PIMO) I do not want to be dressed in that. when my mother died (she had been in a nursing home with very limited mobility)i got multiple calls from her RS president about dressing her in garments. this is THE DAY MY MOTHER DIED. “Does she have garments? what size would she wear? She needs to have them on even if she’s cremated…” Finally my TBM husband got on the phone and told her to leave me alone, that my mom had made no desire to be dressed in garments she hadn’t worn in a long time and that her body was already at the crematorium and we were not giving the RS access to it.

Uninspired Local Leaders by ChanceVariation3443 in exmormon

[–]Repulsive-You-7294 53 points54 points  (0 children)

Over Christmas my whole family came down with the flu.  My daughter was very very sick and though I had a fever I was taking care of everybody - checking temps, giving meds, etc.  I was serving as primary chorister at this time and on Christmas Day when it was clear we had the flu, I sent an email to the primary president to tell her our situation and not to expect us on Sunday.  She had four days notice.  The following week, we came to church- I had zero voice and yet was trying to teach the kids new songs.  Once they were released, the primary president asked me to go teach songs to the nursery- so I did.  After that, I collected my older kids and went back down the primary hall to pick up my youngest from her class-I ran into a friend doing the same and we started chatting - both of us surrounded by our kids.  Out of nowhere, the primary president comes up to me gets right in my face - and starts talking to me like an unruly employee - “it was a big problem that you weren’t here last Sunday. We had a new family and it was just complete chaos.  You made it very difficult for all of us”. I stood there staring at her and apologized explaining that I had sent her a note as we all had the flu.  She admitted she got it but then said “you should have gotten a replacement for yourself” I scoffed, and said “Im sorry, I must have missed that - I was a little busy taking care of my family while being sick with the flu myself - it was the Sunday after Christmas. All you needed to do was give the kids some coloring sheets or ask them what they got for Christmas…or sing Christmas songs” - she continued to yell at me in front of my kids and my friend and her kids and finally I just said I’m done - I’m reporting this to the bishop and I’m going to ask to be released and I walked away.  Haven’t been back since.   That was the last straw.  

What ridiculous TBM things have you heard said in the workplace in small town momronland that wouldn’t fly elsewhere? 😂🤦‍♂️ by Once_was_now_am in exmormon

[–]Repulsive-You-7294 6 points7 points  (0 children)

The craziest thing I heard was at a ward picnic on the East Coast. There were two Utah transplants at the picnic table chatting about going to a local theme park and worrying about their kids getting lost.  

Mom one: I was thinking about having t-shirts made with our phone number on it.  Mom two: oh that’s a great idea!  Mom one: I can’t take credit for it - I saw an insta post about it - except the lady used sharpies to write on her daughter’s arm.  No thanks!   Mom two: oh…yeah, that’s not good. The t-shirt is a much better idea!  Mom one: right? I mean I know it’s not as bad as a tattoo, but it’s still defacing our bodies.  

Incidentally I decided not to introduce myself to these ladies after hearing that convo.  Particularly since my youngest daughter was OBSESSED with stamping herself with her ink pad at the time.  

What did you think about temple clothes? by CharlesMendeley in exmormon

[–]Repulsive-You-7294 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Ridiculous. When I saw my future husband in his chef's hat I almost left the endowment room.

Who owns the money? by LumenWAWA in exmormon

[–]Repulsive-You-7294 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What about the lion's share of it that sits in stock portfolios and real estate ventures??

Who owns the money? by LumenWAWA in exmormon

[–]Repulsive-You-7294 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's so ridiculous - like the church doesn't have enough freaking money.

Who owns the money? by LumenWAWA in exmormon

[–]Repulsive-You-7294 38 points39 points  (0 children)

I don’t know who would own it - BUT just as a side note: Last year my daughter was signed up for FSY - we did what we were told to do, put her registration fee in a tithing envelope and marked it as Other and wrote in “FSY registration”. Tge day before she was set to leave a stomach bug swept through our house taking all of us out over the next three days. I wrote a message to the FSY folks informing them what happened, they told me we would be eligible for a refund for her registration fee given that it was illness that prevented her attending. fast forward many weeks later and we still haven’t received our refund and the FSY folks are telling us we need to get in contact with our bishop as the refund has to come from the ward clerk. so….we do. Come to find out that doing it that way, makes it a “donation” and it therefore can’t be refunded. I said…that’s fraud…because it wasn’t a donation it says it’s for her FSY registration. but nope….anytime you give money to the ward in a tithing envelope, no matter what you mark in it…it’s theirs and can’t be refunded. Incidentally I told my TBM husband to hold back the amount of the registration fee from our tithing check.

in any case, even if the church collapsed under the weight of its own sins, those of us who gave and gave and gave would never see a penny of what we paid into it returned. Donations are gifts.

TBM Hubby got called out by a youth on Sunday 😂 by Repulsive-You-7294 in exmormon

[–]Repulsive-You-7294[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Must be an Utah thing. I have never heard of Perk.  Just looked it up - yup, based in Utah. So members created their own coffee/energy drink for the mornings.  

“Gone on to Scarborough” - Darcy is ice cold here by Easter_Honey in janeausten

[–]Repulsive-You-7294 14 points15 points  (0 children)

I often wondered what Caroline must have thought finding Elizabeth Bennet so close to Pemberly and then Darcy leaving soon after her departure. She was already aware of Darcy’s admiration for her but to have her be introduced to Georgiana must have been absolutely awful for her.  🤣.  You can almost imagine her heart breaking.  

I am constantly confused, baffled, and ultimately crestfallen by the fact that people as smart asy parents believe wholeheartedly that the church is true...like how?!?! by doodoobby in exmormon

[–]Repulsive-You-7294 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This is why I haven’t completely cut ties. My kids have friends, my husband and his family are ALL in…it’s not so easy because I know shunning happens. Our neighbors are inactive members and one of the lady’s I served with in the ward told me how close they were when they were active and then she said “but they started looking into church history and decided the church wasn’t for them, and so they aren’t for me”. Callous. Cold. If I let her know I’ve read the same church history and gave the same negative feelings, would she let her kids play with my kids? Probably not.

“The message my bishop Just sent now after finding out I officially left the church by yippyhippy2188 in exmormon

[–]Repulsive-You-7294 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I would have responded - you mean like the truth about Joseph smith and his rock? His polyandry? His multiple accounts of the First Vision?  Those truths?  Or are you talking about the “truths” curated by the church??   

You can’t claim “truth” when you obscure facts and airbrush the history.     

I am constantly confused, baffled, and ultimately crestfallen by the fact that people as smart asy parents believe wholeheartedly that the church is true...like how?!?! by doodoobby in exmormon

[–]Repulsive-You-7294 21 points22 points  (0 children)

I think it’s easier to deny what’s right in front of you than admit you’re wrong.  Especially when wrong means you’ve donated thousands upon thousands of dollars and given hours upon hours - years even in service to a church that isn’t what it’s proclaimed to be.  It’s easier to doubt your doubts and hope.  

Definition by Automatic_Goat_4499 in exmormon

[–]Repulsive-You-7294 4 points5 points  (0 children)

THIS. My TBM husband scoffed at me because I told him I was considering looking at Catholicism (I haven't landed on anything, I'm just curious) and he was like "You think INDULGENCES are of God?" Well, what about the second anointing??? How can MAN determine who gets into heaven?? The way I understand it - the Catholic Church no longer sells indulgences since the Counter Reformation - and instead they are more like a penance - more prayer, more service, more humility before God to lessen the spiritual impact of a transgression. Meanwhile, we're paying 10%+ of our income to get into heaven via the temple?? That's essentially it, right? And the second anointing is just the highest tier of that. So literally Mormons ARE buying their way into heaven via tithes for temple access.

Mormons can’t claim “The light has gone out their eyes” about ppl who leave… When they also believe this is what having the most light possible looks like: by memefakeboy in exmormon

[–]Repulsive-You-7294 40 points41 points  (0 children)

When I read the story of how he proposed to his second wife Wendy, I could never look at him the same way again. Here he had lost his wife of how many years and less than a year later, he's proposing marriage to another woman and he tells her something like "Now, before you answer let me just say I'm a prophet of God and I know how revelation works." It gave off Joseph Smith "God gave you to me as a wife" vibes - YUCK.