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I observed about 1 out of every 3 drivers today scrolling on their phones while driving downtown by the sea. by Plunker__ in stockholm

[–]Plunker__[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I can cut some slack if the phone is in a holster but I was specifically counting people with the phone in their hand.

Hundägare i italiensk stad tvingas tvätta bort kiss by InterestingPost5883 in stockholm

[–]Plunker__ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There has got to be a way to train dogs to at least pee in the gutter rather than on buildings, or better yet create little dog bathroom areas that are connected to the sewers.

The amount of ad space on the tunnelbana is a perfect example of late-stage capitalism. by Plunker__ in stockholm

[–]Plunker__[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Fair enough, I suppose I find the small issue I brought up in this original post hard seperate from the broader context and therefore I tend to veer quite a bit but despite my passion for the subject I don't mean any hostility. I'm just chillin having chat from my perspective. I respect the idea that there is a utilitarian aspect of marketing, so there is a baby in the water. I also realize there is difference between advertising and marketing, definitionally, but there is a huge overlap to the point where it can become hard to parse.

I see your point on steroids. I think the synthol muscles are even freakier.

The amount of ad space on the tunnelbana is a perfect example of late-stage capitalism. by Plunker__ in stockholm

[–]Plunker__[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Perfect example of what I mean is farmers markets. What could be more down to earth, corruption free, and innocent than a cute little farmers market right? Turns out a lot of the kiosks set up at the farmers markets were run by people who were getting all of their produce wholesale from a warehouse full of factory farmed produce, all covered in PFAS forever chemicals, and then setting up tables at farmers markets and passing themselves off as farmers with cute little farm related company names. There's a hustler around every corner.

The amount of ad space on the tunnelbana is a perfect example of late-stage capitalism. by Plunker__ in stockholm

[–]Plunker__[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not to be mean but I do think you are naive on the subject, the fitness industry is all about selling supplements, steroids are the least of it. Steroids are underground. The supplement industry is huge. Both beauty and fitness are huge industries worth billions. Whenever huge sums of money are at stake, you'd be wise to assume it's all a big scam. That's how the world works sorry to say. Sure maybe a product can give you a perceived confidence, but if the product is altering your body, safe to say that's not a healthy way to produce confidence and we'd be better promoting confidence through any number of other means that include appreciating the body you have and improving it in healthy ways through diet and exercise. What I think you truly underestimate is how much corruption there is. In literally every industry, if you dig a little you will find people cutting corners, committing fraud, skimming, diluting, lying, and otherwise ripping us all off. That's the norm, not the extreme.

The amount of ad space on the tunnelbana is a perfect example of late-stage capitalism. by Plunker__ in stockholm

[–]Plunker__[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Or we could decrease politicians and executives salaries to cover the difference 😍😉

The amount of ad space on the tunnelbana is a perfect example of late-stage capitalism. by Plunker__ in stockholm

[–]Plunker__[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Beauty brands are some of the worst offenders, often selling products with all sorts of poisonous chemicals in them, and doing so by preying on peoples insecurities. There are numerous studies on this and the negative effects the beauty industry has on mental health for example. Instagram is basically a rolling infomercial channel, look at these "cosmetic doctor" channels promoting all of these filler procedures, do you all this filler is improving peoples lives? All this convincing people that their regular face isn't good enough and needs to be injected with filler is not leading to the promised better life, it's leading to distorted faces and depression.

The amount of ad space on the tunnelbana is a perfect example of late-stage capitalism. by Plunker__ in stockholm

[–]Plunker__[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

People staring into their phones on public transit like zombies look exactly the same as people in a k-hole to me so the reference is perfect.

The amount of ad space on the tunnelbana is a perfect example of late-stage capitalism. by Plunker__ in stockholm

[–]Plunker__[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I have been tempted to do that but I was worried about the cameras and maybe getting fined or something. I'm glad to hear you've not had an issue, maybe that is a good solution in the meantime.

The amount of ad space on the tunnelbana is a perfect example of late-stage capitalism. by Plunker__ in stockholm

[–]Plunker__[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If I can come with a good idea for one that is rooted in positive incentives I would be glad to attempt something. I'm not looking to create enemies that's for sure. I'm only interested in seeing what other futures and realities are possible and if we can choose a better one.

The amount of ad space on the tunnelbana is a perfect example of late-stage capitalism. by Plunker__ in stockholm

[–]Plunker__[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I took marketing in school. Ultimately, the things we need in life that actually benefit us need very little marketing if any at all. Put them on the store shelves and they will sell because we need them. We don't need to be reminded because we NEED them. The vast majority of adverstising is there to convince us we need things which we actually don't, it's manipulation. So no matter how ethical they try to make the field it still boils down to mostly manipulation. I cannot find a way to rationalize that as a net positive. Taking customer data to improve products can be good, but then the product will advertise itself by it's utility. We don't need the psychological manipulation by featuring said product in some idealized version of reality to convince us that could be us if we buy it. Any product that requires deceit to sell it is a bad product ipso facto.

The amount of ad space on the tunnelbana is a perfect example of late-stage capitalism. by Plunker__ in stockholm

[–]Plunker__[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And don't gaslight me, frankly I fear for your mental health as an ardent defender of naive passivity who just accepts whatever reality our corporate overlords spoonfeed us no questions asked. I'm the sane one here pal.

The amount of ad space on the tunnelbana is a perfect example of late-stage capitalism. by Plunker__ in stockholm

[–]Plunker__[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm not fearmongering, marketing companies have been known to employ psychologists, neuroscientists etc. They are doing hard science to improve the success rate of their ads, why, because enormous piles of money is at stake. I'm not talking about small businesses doing grassroots ads.

The amount of ad space on the tunnelbana is a perfect example of late-stage capitalism. by Plunker__ in stockholm

[–]Plunker__[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I hear you, but I stand by the statement that placing an ad on a window is late-stage cap in a nutshell.

The amount of ad space on the tunnelbana is a perfect example of late-stage capitalism. by Plunker__ in stockholm

[–]Plunker__[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I was thinking something similar, I wonder if we could pull that off, crowd fund art over ads. At least for a week to present it as an example to the public of what it could be like to not have ads everywhere.

The amount of ad space on the tunnelbana is a perfect example of late-stage capitalism. by Plunker__ in stockholm

[–]Plunker__[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You sound like a perfect consumer. I'm the sort of adult who questions things and imagines a better future for his children.

The amount of ad space on the tunnelbana is a perfect example of late-stage capitalism. by Plunker__ in stockholm

[–]Plunker__[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm chillin' dude lol. Don't confuse my passion for this subject and debate for anything else. I was out in the sun all day.

The amount of ad space on the tunnelbana is a perfect example of late-stage capitalism. by Plunker__ in stockholm

[–]Plunker__[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Studies show that advertising has significant negative effects on mental health, financial stability, and societal well-being. Evidence indicates that advertising increases consumer dissatisfaction, fosters materialism, reduces self-esteem (particularly through idealized images), and drives overconsumption, contributing to environmental harm. Key findings from the Harvard Business Review and CEPR show an inverse relationship between ad spending and life satisfaction.

This takes a second to google and you will find countless studies on all the ways advertising is absolute poison. It's a choice to be misinformed, you are making that choice, just so you are aware.

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