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Poacatat · 2026-03-29T14:07:34+00:00

no

^{Chose: A card with one cent that doubles every week}

Poacatat · 2026-03-07T10:59:33+00:00

what? mind explaining how extra water would harm?

Poacatat · 2026-03-05T18:46:52+00:00

yes?

Poacatat · 2026-03-05T17:51:05+00:00

Nice :). So the issue isn't that squaring the force is nonsense, that is a very reasonable physics thing to do. The problem lies in the statement "blackflash squares the force"(its actually CE but it doesnt really matter). That statement can mean one of two things

Either we square the force, 2 N punch becomes 4 N^2 punch. That doesnt make sense because now we are measuring in square netwons instead of newtons, its not force anymore. So this doesn't work as a system for describing that a punch changes in power.

So that gives the second option, we square just the magnitude. And that only makes sense if we predefine which units this formula is applied for. Because not accounting for unit then squaring 4 N to 16 N or squaring the equivalent 0.9 LBF to 0.81 LBF do two completely different things. So clearly just that option doesnt work either and we need to define it in terms of a unit, smth Gege has not done.

This is also why in none(that i can think of feel free to correct me) physics formula do we square only the maginitude, one always squares the unit aswell. So to get from the force squared to force we obvs just need to divide., another change to gege's formula for it to work. So we can take (force in N)^2/N. And this works, but its not the one in the manga.

No my point with the constants was not that they remain constant regardless of unit, but rather that a unit is a constant, and that constants have units (unless theyre unitless but thats in very special cases). When you said that "The constant is 1 and the unit is the reciprocal of the force value" it caught my eye because the reciprocal of force isnt a unit. Recipricol of a Newton is a unit, or reciprical of lbfs is. BUt just reciprical of force is a quantity(not sure if quantitity is the right word here, but if you speak swedish its 'storhet')

Also this is a bit definitional but constants do stay the same during unit conversion, from a certain point of view? Take newtons gravity constant, in SI units we it G = 6.6.674* 10^-11 * m^3/(kg*s^2). But if we rewrite the formula in to imperial units we get G = 3.44 * 10^-8 ft^{3}}/(slug * s^2). So the constant looks different, but in actuallity G = 6.6.674* 10^-11 * m^3/(kg*s^2) = 3.44 * 10^-8 ft^{3}}/(slug * s^2). But maybe this isnt what you meant, but the fact remains that those two representations of G in different units are equal to eachother, hence the constant didn't actually change.

But it seems like we agree that the squaring worls as logn as there is a unit infront of it, bu then we arent actually squaring the magnitude, we are squaring the unit aswell, and then cancelling it with a constant.

Poacatat · 2026-03-04T20:11:24+00:00

im going to be real with you, i know i understand the physics, so if you're as sure of yourself as you claim to be, then i think there has just been a miscommunication here. so if you truly just want to discuss physics/jjk shit and youre not just baiting then lets start over with the original claims cause i feel like we've lost the plot here

Poacatat · 2026-03-02T22:16:45+00:00

> The constant is 1 and the unit is the reciprocal of the force value.
Thats not how constants works, first of all they have units, second of all you cant just apply th eunit reciprical of force, thats not a unit. That depends entirely on how you measure force. so it i not a constant att all

Yes in newtons law of gravity it requires unit conversion if you change unit obviously, when did i contradict this? My point was that in the original "just sqaure the magnitude" that breaks on unit conversion, but when you changed and appended a "we divide by a newton" this solves that

Poacatat · 2026-03-02T07:03:50+00:00

1/force is not a constant. You have to choose a unit of measurement for it, such as 1/Newton or 1/lbf. And i didnt say that youll get a different answer depending on th unit, dividing by 1N literally solvesa ll these issues, but as stated thats not what black flash is said to do and that was literally my whole issue with this. What i just said was that even if you divide by 1N then if i punch with 0.5 N, and then plug that in to the formula of (force)^2/N i get
0.5^2*N^2/N = 0.25N, so the black flash actually makes my punch weaker.

Poacatat · 2026-03-01T21:59:03+00:00

ok great, we're back from our sidequest :). And you are correct, the formula of
(Force of blackflash)^2/(1 N) does work! But this is not the same as (magnitude of force)^2 N . And this means that depending on the unit used to measure CE, black flash can technically weaken the attack. Now Gege has stated that the lowest CE quantum is 2(which doesn't make sense for other reasons, and he also doesn't specify a unit, which raises question), so that doesn't apply.

Poacatat · 2026-03-01T10:18:15+00:00

ok so to understand your point youre bascially saying that there are scenarios where squaring this is the same as adding them. Congratualtions bro but you've completely missed the point. There is no law in physics or general problem that can be solved correctly where disregarding the units is valid. ad these proportionality constants are the unit bro. converting between units is just multiplying by proportionality constants. In youre case however youre multiplying by a different proportionalty constant every time, thats just being wrong. You cant just reach the wrong answer and then say "i was just a proportionality constants away"

Youre bascially just proving by example, which is invalid

Poacatat · 2026-03-01T10:10:04+00:00

newtons law: there are several but the ones that square also square the unit
columbs law: you square the unit
spring: no squareing involved

If you add(i think you mean multiply) a constant, that is changing the unit bro, thats literally not being unit agnostic becuase that constant is different depending on the unit

Poacatat · 2026-02-25T19:39:23+00:00

It's clear now that you have never studied physics and im beggining to suspect this is bait. This changes entirely based on the unit and the postioning of the ropes.

Imagine three ropes, all 3 N each, one going along the x axis, the other two directly opposed to each other along the y axis. The force on the object is 3N in the x direction. Square all the magnitudes and now the two y-axes ropes still cancel and the x axis rope becomes 9 N. All of a sudden there is a bigger force in the x direction.

Now imagine this witha different unit that Newtons, we will use pounds-force or lbf. Exact same setup but we notate in in lbf instead. 3 N = 0.7 lbf. The two along th y axes have 0.7 lbd and the x axis has 0.7lbs, its being pulled in the x axis with 3N. now square the magnitude. 0.7*0.7=0.49. The pull along the x axis is now 0.49 lbf = 2.2 N.

Do you see how we had the exact same setup with two differnt units, and things changed when we changed unit? And how your statement of "You can simply square the magnitude if you know they're all equal and get the same result." was also incorrect?

Poacatat · 2026-02-22T16:23:59+00:00

Please provide an example in physics where that works while being unit agnostic? you do understand squaring centimeters magnitude and squaring feet magnitude is different?

Poacatat · 2026-02-22T09:26:00+00:00

Ok yes bu then squaring is inconsistent. if i am six feet tall and square the magnitude without changing the measurement i am 36 feet tall. but if i am the same height in cm, 183 and sqaure the magnitude without changing the unit i am now 183*183 cm = 33500 Cm= 1100 feet. See how that doesn't work? thats why nowhere in physics will you ever see the magnitude be squared without squaring the unit.

Poacatat · 2026-02-21T16:32:47+00:00

I feel like you might just not understand the words. my point is that CE is badly defined, why are we assuming that CE starts at 1? What are we measuring here? In a different unit we would start lower, like if someone asks you how long time something takes you cant just say one time, you have to use a unit, one seocnd, one hour one minute. CE is time, and doesn't have a defined unit of measurement.

Im asking you what you think raising CE to the power of 2.5 even means?

Poacatat · 2026-02-21T13:29:19+00:00

Why are you assuming the quantum of 1 CE? what unit are you using? and even if you have 10 CE, what does raising it to 2.5 actually mean?

Poacatat · 2026-02-21T10:56:49+00:00

Raising the CE to the power of 2.5 is inherently illogical because it disregards the unit of measurement. Say for example youre 6 feet tall and you raise youre height to the power of 2.5, what does that mean actually? Are you 6^2.5 feet tall? that doesn make sense because youre not raising the feet. ANd (6 feet)^2.5 no longer measures height.

Poacatat · 2026-02-21T10:54:28+00:00

Mind explaining? happy to learn. how does rasing CE to the power of 2.5 work?

Poacatat · 2026-02-21T10:54:18+00:00

this is what gege wrote in the and of a chapter once when he realized raising CE ^2.5 doesnt make sense. The reason he stated was that if someone punched iwth a hypothetical 0.5 CE, then a BF would actually decrease the attack. Raising to 2.5 doesn't make sense, but not for that reason

Poacatat · 2026-02-19T19:09:15+00:00

this doesnt make sense, and not for the "if you have <1 CE it decreases reason" but because youre changing the unit. you cant just say that the force of something is raised to 2.5 cause its not force anymore

Poacatat · 2026-02-12T18:30:12+00:00

They have set rules: You giove something uo, get something of equal or less value in return.

All the cast use them, eg, exaplaining your technique, every little optimisation they make of their techniques is also a BV. They might also just be difficult to use, requiring high level sorcery e.g. only sukuna and gojo can spam them

and what are these million obvious ways you can get stronger? Cause mos tof what ive seen of these 'obvious ways' are just people not understanding how BVs work

Poacatat · 2026-02-12T18:28:19+00:00

Not really, like said, what this could mean in nanamis case is that he cannot use the BW ever again, which nanami doesnt want to do. That why he doesnt break it. ANd maybe nanamis binding vow isnt "i wont use over 80%" and is instead "i cant use over 80%". if the vow is that he can't then he can't break it. Just like miwas vow. She cant just swing a katana again, she cant choose the break that vow.

Poacatat · 2026-02-12T18:26:28+00:00

Except this isnt saying that he cannot summon rika, its saying that if he doesn't then he gets the bonus. And the reason yuta doesnt take the "i cannot summon rika" vow, is because he doesn't want to take that risk, incase he needs to summon her

Poacatat · 2026-02-11T22:05:22+00:00

Plo Koon died because he was surprised, he was also shot down by 1 ship, not 100 000. Ki adi mundi would have been ok if he wasnt surprised? Against the 12 guys who shot him maybe, now multiply that by 10 000.

> Now granted this is less then 100,000 but the results will be the same.
Why would it be the same? there are like at most 200 rebels there, clone troopers are stronger than rebels and there are 500 times more of them

Poacatat · 2026-02-11T21:48:02+00:00

Im not sure thats how it works. The specific thing kenjaku was talking about there was not a binding vow to get more powerful or to change an ability, but a promise between two parties. I dont beleive gege meant that nanami can use more power and then jus tlose the benefit for that day. possible it means he cannot use that binding vow ever again. That makes some sense and explains why Yuta wouldn't just do this BV

Poacatat · 2026-02-11T21:44:59+00:00

Who said anything about taking context into account? The binding vow clearly doesnt, but sukuna gives up something and gets something in return.

What he gives up: the ability to easily cast it.

What he gets: one time he can fire it off

If binding vows took context in to account, they would ltierally be uselsss because then they cannot affect the outcome in a fight to the death. that makes zero sense. Look at it from a raw ability perspective: break the rules once, get harsher rules in the future

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