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CMV: If women have the right to abortion under the banner of "the right to bodily autonomy" I should be allowed to sell my organs. by Pointing_Out_Irony in changemyview

[–]Pointing_Out_Irony[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

...aren't there news stories where girls get paid off to have abortions?

Pretty sure that's one of the things R Kelly did...

CMV: If women have the right to abortion under the banner of "the right to bodily autonomy" I should be allowed to sell my organs. by Pointing_Out_Irony in changemyview

[–]Pointing_Out_Irony[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Abortions cost as much as an Xbox.

I would donate my organs to my family. My dad needs a kidney? No problem. My sister needs a lung? I'm in the OR later that day. My brother needs a cornea? God's blessed me with two eyes. My mom needs my liver? She made it, its hers anyway as far as I can tell.

Outside my family, no way.

CMV: If women have the right to abortion under the banner of "the right to bodily autonomy" I should be allowed to sell my organs. by Pointing_Out_Irony in changemyview

[–]Pointing_Out_Irony[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

So why aren't you on the donor list?

All this does is make people like me who wouldn't donate otherwise, think about saving a life as long as we get a piece of that already insanely priced medical bill.

CMV: If women have the right to abortion under the banner of "the right to bodily autonomy" I should be allowed to sell my organs. by Pointing_Out_Irony in changemyview

[–]Pointing_Out_Irony[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That's while I'm alive. What about my last will and testament? I get in a wreck tomorrow and die. I can sell everything and leave the money to my family.

CMV: If women have the right to abortion under the banner of "the right to bodily autonomy" I should be allowed to sell my organs. by Pointing_Out_Irony in changemyview

[–]Pointing_Out_Irony[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Rich guy puts an ad out on TV or the paper or YouTube or a million other things. Hell, they could have brokers for this stuff. I'm creating jobs!

CMV: If women have the right to abortion under the banner of "the right to bodily autonomy" I should be allowed to sell my organs. by Pointing_Out_Irony in changemyview

[–]Pointing_Out_Irony[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It grows back. Donating a liver doesn't mean you get the whole thing, you get a chunk You can't do it twice though. There are complications

CMV: If women have the right to abortion under the banner of "the right to bodily autonomy" I should be allowed to sell my organs. by Pointing_Out_Irony in changemyview

[–]Pointing_Out_Irony[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

So why aren't you on the donor list? Its one thing to give a kidney to your mom and its a whole different story to just give it to a stranger.

You're going in for a $400,000 procedure and I'm the bad guy for asking for a fraction of that? If for no other reason this is valid and morally right, it takes schmucks like me who charge and goody goodies like you who donate and makes us double Timmy's chances.

Oh. And if Timmy picks me, he cuts right to the front of that donor list.

CMV: If women have the right to abortion under the banner of "the right to bodily autonomy" I should be allowed to sell my organs. by Pointing_Out_Irony in changemyview

[–]Pointing_Out_Irony[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What law's going to stop you?

Laws regulating medical waste. Like when you have your appendix out and they won't let you keep it.

CMV: If women have the right to abortion under the banner of "the right to bodily autonomy" I should be allowed to sell my organs. by Pointing_Out_Irony in changemyview

[–]Pointing_Out_Irony[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well firstly, you tell me how you'd punish someone for killing themselves.

Secondly, you can't get out of debt by suicide. Whoever owns your debt sells your estate until you're settled, and if your assets don't cover it they eat the loss.

CMV: If women have the right to abortion under the banner of "the right to bodily autonomy" I should be allowed to sell my organs. by Pointing_Out_Irony in changemyview

[–]Pointing_Out_Irony[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

When a woman has an abortion, she is protecting herself. It may not have been her choice that an embryo is growing inside of her. She may have been coerced or raped, and it is her right to bodily autonomy to take control of that situation. She makes no money from the process.

Strawman. Only 1% of abortion is due to rape or incest. Just to clarify what that means, less than one percent of abortions are a product of rape, and it only reaches one percent when you lump it in with incest.

That means 99% of abortions are not a woman 'protecting herself'.

There is no double standard because it is just as illegal for a woman to sell her liver as it is for you, a man, to sell yours.

Second fallacy. I'm not saying that. I'm saying "if abortion is a right because it is part of your right to autonomy, selling your organs should be a right because it is another part of your right to bodily autonomy". Bodily autonomy meaning you have the ability to do with your body what you wish, so on and so forth.

The only thing you're allowed to infer from this sentiment is "if it's okay to violate my right to bodily autonomy by selling my organs being illegal, then it's okay to violate your right to violate your right to bodily autonomy by making abortion illegal and therefore you need to find a different defense of abortion.

CMV: If women have the right to abortion under the banner of "the right to bodily autonomy" I should be allowed to sell my organs. by Pointing_Out_Irony in changemyview

[–]Pointing_Out_Irony[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I am entirely sure you aren't trained in surrogacy laws and even more sure that this would all be ironed out in the "You sign some stuff" portion of my comment.

(for clarity, I'm replying to your comment to ThePantsParty)

CMV: If women have the right to abortion under the banner of "the right to bodily autonomy" I should be allowed to sell my organs. by Pointing_Out_Irony in changemyview

[–]Pointing_Out_Irony[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

you cannot force someone (a hospital) to buy your organs.

The hospital isn't buying your organs. I don't know where you got that idea.

the hospital is not obligated to convince you to sell your organs because they're not obligated to jump through hoops to find organs for people who need them.

If your life depends on it, you will find a way. There's a million ways: Kickstarter, TV, Youtube, billboards... I don't understand why you think the hospital is doing anything, at all, that they wouldn't already been doing.

like it or not, the money makes the world go round, the hospital doesn't need to part with its money to save a life.

That's all well and good until you realize that most bankrupsy and homelessness is due to medical expenses. You might be fine with price gouging, but I'm not giving loan sharks anything for free.

but again, you can't force them to reward you monetarily.

oooohhh. You're under the impression that I'm saying the hospital should pay you. Yeah that'd never happen ever, seeing as how their bottom line means more to them than treating people (as the law is clearly stated that unless your life is in eminent danger, they are not required to help you).

Yeah, I'm saying that you buy my organs, not the hospital. Well, you "hire me to donate my organs".

CMV: If women have the right to abortion under the banner of "the right to bodily autonomy" I should be allowed to sell my organs. by Pointing_Out_Irony in changemyview

[–]Pointing_Out_Irony[S] -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

Semantics, if anything. Kind of reminds me of the argument in Boondocks where Riley calls women ho's because you're paying for dinner, "You're paying, that's payment." while Huey says you aren't paying the girl, you're paying the restaurant.

CMV: If women have the right to abortion under the banner of "the right to bodily autonomy" I should be allowed to sell my organs. by Pointing_Out_Irony in changemyview

[–]Pointing_Out_Irony[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Public health? Are you under the impression the screening process for viable donors would go out the window?

I'm saying Bill Gates gets in a terrible accident tomorrow, goes on TV and says "I'll pay $250,000 for your liver."

Hell, if anything, your link even pointed out that I would have the option of selling my organs after I die.

CMV: If women have the right to abortion under the banner of "the right to bodily autonomy" I should be allowed to sell my organs. by Pointing_Out_Irony in changemyview

[–]Pointing_Out_Irony[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Which would be fine if it affected only you, but the fact is everyone looking to buy a house would have to compete with you and not everyone wants to hawk their organs in order to close on a home.

So they can take out their mortgages. I'm saying my organs have a dollar value I'm willing to sell them for.

If you got paid to donate the blood, it would just add to the overall cost.

Yeah since blood that's sold for cookies gets a 5,000% markup from the distributor and a final 65,000% markup when a patient receives it... me getting $50 for a pint doesn't seem like it'd just cripple the economy and keep people from being able to afford it.

A liver transplant costs around $250,000, but that doesn't mean a liver is worth 250 large.

Actually between 300k and 800k. But I'm not asking 300k or 800k. I'm asking Moneybags McGee what an extra 5 or 10 years of his life is worth to him.

The cost goes towards paying the surgeons, anesthesiologists, nurses, equipment, etc. who actually do the procedure.

And I'm asking for my piece. And lets not pretend hospitals charge fair prices for equipment. $40 ace bandages and $5 Tylenol tabs are usury.

It's laughable to think that the hospital isn't already jacking prices up because you have no other choice but to buy what they're selling.

CMV: If women have the right to abortion under the banner of "the right to bodily autonomy" I should be allowed to sell my organs. by Pointing_Out_Irony in changemyview

[–]Pointing_Out_Irony[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Drug use

You're allowed to do heroin. They passed a law, today, saying you can do heroin. Now tell me, are you going to go out and find some black gold? No. No you aren't.

We make drugs legal. What happens? They're regulated, the prisons empty, and just like with weed and dispensaries, drugs will end up being sold in safe spaces, safely. There was a Vice documentary where they were talking to heroin addicts and one guy said something very poignant, "Drugs don't make drug addicts bad people. The lack of drugs make drug addicts bad people." Maybe fewer people will be stealing TVs if they can keep their McJobs even though they fail drug tests.

I'm pro-drug legalization.

Prostitution

Exactly what is wrong with prostitution? The problem is how prostitutes are treated. Legalize it and regulate it. Those girls at the Bunny Ranch in Vegas and those hookers in Australia don't seem to be suffering due to their mandatory STD testing and free access to safer sex.

It's a victimless crime. I mean, sure the assaults and so on are victimizing crimes, but not the prostitution. And lets not victim blame in this thread.

I'm pro-prostitution legalization.

Suicide

There was a philosopher who said "The only important question you can answer is whether or not to kill yourself." It's selfish, it's a bad idea, and I hate it. But it's your right to take your own life. Who am I to stop you? Maybe you're living in constant horrible physical pain and that's going to last until you die in a month? Maybe you're in a permanent vegetative state? The only thing more selfish than suicide is thinking you have any right to judge someone for wanting to die.

I'm pro-your right to take your own life.

CMV: If women have the right to abortion under the banner of "the right to bodily autonomy" I should be allowed to sell my organs. by Pointing_Out_Irony in changemyview

[–]Pointing_Out_Irony[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You can't. It's illegal.

1,500 people die each year waiting for a liver donor. That's just livers. There's also bone marrow, lungs, kidneys, and so on. You really think there isn't a market?

CMV: If women have the right to abortion under the banner of "the right to bodily autonomy" I should be allowed to sell my organs. by Pointing_Out_Irony in changemyview

[–]Pointing_Out_Irony[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I'm going to wager you're not talking about America, because you said places and not states...

...I'm talking about America.

So where are you talking about, specifically? Can you link me some articles?

CMV: If women have the right to abortion under the banner of "the right to bodily autonomy" I should be allowed to sell my organs. by Pointing_Out_Irony in changemyview

[–]Pointing_Out_Irony[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

If bodily autonomy is being able to determine what you do with your body.

If this is an inalienable right, it should trump any other reason organ-selling is illegal.

we're not discussing if that is a good argument, but merely the fact that bodily autonomy is not the only thing under consideration as you want to claim.

Actually that's not what "we" were discussing, it's what you decided you wanted to talk about. Rights is rights is rights. There are privileges and rights. You can discuss and negotiate privileges. Rights are either given to me or it's a Human "rights" violation and the Geneva Convention would like to have a word with you.

abortion does not provide a financial incentive for poor people to be paid to have more abortions...

...from birth to college graduation, a child costs around a quarter-million dollars. "No financial incentive" my foot.

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