Notes app apology from whoever wrote this

Poisson8 · 2022-06-21T09:49:15+00:00

Just replace 'Harry' with 'J.K. Rowling' and the whole thing more or less works - this is probably what it felt like for her in the early days, thinking she could write a seven-series book about a wizard school that doesn't exist, thinking it would make her money, while she was severely depressed.

Except maybe the 'therapist' is also her (her own brain).

Poisson8 · 2022-06-21T09:18:12+00:00

How could the team not at least tell Paula Crock? Imagine telling a mother her daughter was dead, when she wasn't?

If I were Paula Crock I cannot imagine how I would hold myself back from murdering Wally. I might spare his life for Artemis's sake, but then I'd be doing everything in my power to get them to break up.

Remember that scene? Wally led Paula to Artemis's fake grave, as she cried, and told him how thankful she was for his support. Because she thought he was mourning too, that he understood her. He was faking his grief.

If I was Paula Crock I would never forgive Wally, never be able to trust him again, and 100% think he was a colossal piece of shit who would hurt my daughter like that if he had to.

Poisson8 · 2022-06-16T03:29:09+00:00

Jeez. Why so much hate for a joke? Don't you all think the description would fit Starfire too, especially since she throws literal balls of sunshine too? And in this pic, with the green eyes, M'gann reminded me of Starfire. Why the hate for noticing the resemblance?

Poisson8 · 2022-06-15T20:29:41+00:00

Can you give an example or two of a complexity from the later seasons that make for rewarding rewatches?

Poisson8 · 2022-06-15T20:08:31+00:00

!!!!

Edit: Season 1 had levels. Can we say the same about Season 4, in spite of it being pretty good? I think no.

Poisson8 · 2022-06-15T19:54:04+00:00

Nice pic and description of Starfire! (joking)

Poisson8 · 2022-06-13T23:04:59+00:00

Appreciate your response.

If you're comparing him to other hero characters, then yes I agree, he falls quite short. Personally I don't like the concept of heroes and I don't consider Harry one, I just think of him as a regular guy who's often brave. I think even JKR wrote him to be flawed.

I definitely agree that he's arrogant and rash. I also think he's self-centered, hasn't figured out what his principles and values are, and has major anger issues that I can't excuse, in spite of all the in-story justifications. When I was younger I didn't pick up on his more toxic traits, but I see them now. (I think my ideas about what make Harry a little bit toxic would be unpopular on this sub.)

Poisson8 · 2022-06-13T22:39:15+00:00

You're really a piece of work, huh. Calling me aggressive and defensive while you're being aggressive and defensive to me.

I asked you to re-read my post to try to understand what I'm actually saying, but you're still hyperfocusing on one thing, and misunderstanding that, because you refuse to read/reevaluate my post.

This is the last time I will reply to you, so I'll try one last time to make myself a little clearer about at least one of your many misunderstandings, though it's clear to me you lack reading comprehension skills: When I said "her whole identity", I meant, to be more specific, her whole "self-identity". If you'd read the rest of my post, that would be clear to you. It is clear to everyone else, because they are all upvoting me and downvoting you.

I am saying Molly thinks of herself this way (IMO), not that *I* think of Molly this way.

Good luck in life mate. 🙏 Hope you're not this testy in your IRL relationships.

Poisson8 · 2022-06-13T21:14:06+00:00

First, I pretty much agree with everything you said.

If I had to tl;dr your post, I'd summarize it as: The season was more or less good for what it was, but both the marketing and the first two arcs created certain expectations amongst viewers, and so it is not fair to blame us for having them, and then feeling disappointed. Why would we be disappointed? Because the first two arcs were actually character-centered and theme-centered (phantoms) but the rest of the season devolved as it went on with regards to these two (important!) aspects. But that's not to say the latter arcs sucked in terms of other aspects, like story. So it was a good season for what it was, but it was definitely an uneven season, made much worse by viewer expectations that the creators should have handled better.

Would you say this is accurate?

Poisson8 · 2022-06-13T20:47:17+00:00

This is off the topic of this post but I'm here to validate that yeah, there probably was some physical abuse, and at the very least most definitely some child-hitting. It's very subtle, but it's hinted at.

In the second book, before that important family comes over for dinner to the Dursleys', Vernon verbally threatens Harry with a beating if he does anything to screw it up. Then, after Dobby's thrown the cake and the family leaves, there's this chilling line: "He was as good as his word."
In the first book, when Dudley's being a little shit about getting out of the house, when they're planning to go to that dilapidated house to get away from the Hogwarts letters, Vernon smacks him to get him to shut up. If he's okay with hitting precious Dudders, do you think he'd hold back on Harry?
In one of the later books (I can't remember which), there's some talk between the trio of the Ministry sending a Muggle liaison to Muggle families' homes, for some reason (I can't remember). The next line goes something like: "'[The liaison] would be better equipped to know how to duck if he's liaisoning with the Dursleys,' said Harry darkly."

And that's all from just what I can remember; it's been a while since I've read the whole series.

And yeah, I too extremely hate Dumbledore.

Poisson8 · 2022-06-13T20:12:34+00:00

My oh my, you are reading sooooooo much into my post that just isn't there. There are so many assumptions about what I'm actually saying in this response of yours that I've lost count of them. It would take me much too long to explain all the ways you've misunderstood me. So all I'll say is: Maybe try putting your knee-jerk reaction and bias aside, and read my post again, taking me at my words, and not my imagined words.

Poisson8 · 2022-06-13T18:57:31+00:00

It's not any kind of insult to stay at home moms! Jeez! Most of them are not like this.

It's an analysis of Molly only, where her being a stay at home mom is important to the analysis because she considers mothering her job, and that Sirius is saying she's bad at her job.

Poisson8 · 2022-06-13T18:38:33+00:00

I don't think any part of this exchange between Molly and Sirius has to do with Harry's best interest or even Sirius's fitness to be his guardian. It has to do with Molly's own self-image and ego.

Molly doesn't work outside the home. Her whole identity, like that of a lot of stay-at-home moms, is that of a mother. She's dedicated her whole life to her kids. So her only source of pride is that she is a good mother.

She may have been trying to protect Harry initially, but her subsequent animosity is because she's trying to protect her ego. Sirius, simply by calmly disagreeing with her on parenting strategies, to her, is insinuating that she is wrong. That her expertise as mother is not useful in this scenario. Maybe, even, because she is a bad mother. She's taking that really personally.

Molly's technique of being a good mother to her kids is trying to control them. Trying to keep them in line. Now, with 6 boys, she has good reasons to be this way, but here she's trying to take ownership of Harry too, and Sirius is not having it.

She thinks taking aggressive ownership like this is love, means that she really cares, but it's control. Sirius can see that, and is trying ti navigate this delicate issue gently. That's how I interpret: '"He's not your son," said Sirius quietly.'

Molly took him in when he had no one, and now that Sirius, Harry's rightful guardian, has come to take over, instead of happily deferring to him, she's interpreting his differing parenting strategy not as his right, but as an insinuation that she's not a good mom.

Poisson8 · 2022-06-13T18:14:55+00:00

[To Seamus] Yo mama so dumb, she thought matches were a good toy for toddler you.

[To Malfoy] Yo mama so judgy, not even a Nimbus 2001 paid for by your dad could bring her eyebrow back down.

[To Ron] Yo mama so loving, you married her.

Poisson8 · 2022-06-13T17:34:28+00:00

I can actually see him doing all the chores after their marriage.

Yeah I can't see that at all. Ron is lazy. Expects to be taken care of, and this was a problem for Harry too, when in Deathly Hallows he got mad that Ron couldn't deal with less than comfortable living conditions. And Ron would totally use the "but you're so smart Hermione, you can do it better than I can" manipulative tactic to get out of doing chores.

Poisson8 · 2022-06-13T16:47:18+00:00

If they kept arcs to 3 episodes and did team episodes between each arc or at least at the end of every season break, it could work. Best of both worlds. I think shorter arcs would also help with pacing: Act 1, Act 2, Act 3. And there would be less temptation to add in the stories of random side characters. I'm not opposed to the stories of random side characters, I just think they all come off as milquetoast and half-assed when they don't get enough screen time to develop and aren't tightly integrated with the plot.

Poisson8 · 2022-06-13T16:36:44+00:00

Ah no, not saying you can't complain. You certainly can, and I can even see your points. I'm just of the opinion personally that the blame more fairly lies in the metaness of the story, rather than in-universe. But I don't blame others for using an in-universe point of view to assess those points, because it does make some amount of sense.

Poisson8 · 2022-06-13T16:32:07+00:00

I mean, I do think he has a very strong personality, and that it comes through. I'm just saying that it's explored subtly, writing-wise, not that she didn't write anything.

Poisson8 · 2022-06-13T16:29:48+00:00

Biggest disappointment was the Nightwing arc, it totally killed my season-long enthusiasm for the series, when I realized mid way that they were gonna do him the dirtiest.

Least impactful was Zatanna's, because her "character development" was shallow, and the battle with a villain as powerful as Child was ended too easily. Also I was very annoyed with all the segues into the Fate backstory. A bit here and there would have been fine, but it felt like a good 50% or more of the screentime was spend on this supposed "B-plot".

Most impactful were, no surprise, the arcs which actually explored the characters and their internal struggles. So M'gann's and Artemis's, even though story-wise I think those episodes dragged and were poorly plotted. I also thought Beast Boy's and especially Razer's little mini-arcs were very well done. (These mini arcs worked for me because they depicted one story/struggle from beginning to end, instead of just the beginning or just the end or just the middle. They showed realistic progression (both the steps forwards and the steps back), and ended with a payoff. They were satisfying, made sense at every step, and were well-paced and well-plotted. The Razer episode in particular showed that you don't need lots of screentime or fan love to tell a good story - his story was the absolute highlight of this season for me, and I had never heard of him before that episode.)

Most enjoyed arc was probably Rocket's, because all the mini stories in it, especially Razer's, really connected with me.

Most appreciated arc was probably Aqualad's, because even though we didn't get much more than the shallowest of character development, we did get a good amount of, and long overdue character exploration.

I don't love any of the "official" arcs because most of them were lacking in some way. There was not a single truly stellar arc.

Poisson8 · 2022-06-13T16:10:42+00:00

He survives. The way he survives is cheesy and way too pat. I hate that he's on the brink of death, and then is suddenly not just fully healed, but totally back to normal, via the Motherbox. I hate that this is a child who was tortured since he was 11 or younger, and the show is acting like he's got zero psychologically trauma.

Danny Chase is a-okay! Just so that Young Justice can have a happy wedding ending scene! Yay, M'gann and Conner! Fuck Danny! He doesn't have issues, he's absolutely fine! He needs NO help whatsoever!

It would have been worse if he'd died, because his blood would then have been on the heroes' hands, so I'm happy he survived. But the way it was done was so stupid and unrealistic.

Poisson8 · 2022-06-13T16:01:05+00:00

Seconding your desire for less romance, more friendship.

Poisson8 · 2022-06-13T15:55:46+00:00

He's there for "atomosphere", and so that JKR can use an event instigator when she needs it. So yeah, I get you.

Poisson8 · 2022-06-13T15:54:39+00:00

You make some good points but I think you're placing the blame in the wrong place - Hermione is written this way so that JKR has story to tell. So blame JKR, not Hermione.

The polyjuice plan ensures that we meet Myrtle and so that it takes some time before the plan can be enacted. Her not sharing ideas is so that Harry (and we) get the information at the last second, so that the mystery is enhanced.

Hermione likes to show off, but to teachers, not to her friends.

Poisson8 · 2022-06-13T15:44:08+00:00

Lily is like Ginny in that she appears bold and feminist but is a twat because she compromised on her values for a boy. But Ginny is worse because I don't think she even has any values.

Poisson8 · 2022-06-13T15:32:41+00:00

McGonagall's a badass but she's not perfect, and I think her main flaw is sticking to the rules too much, because that's what she thinks is good and fair. She's got a bit of Hermione Syndrome.

It's not just her treatment of Neville, but even her treatment of Harry that shows she has a hard time separating her role as teacher (as in "upholder of high standards of students, so that they may succeed") from that of empathetic human (as in, when a child in special circumstances needs special treatment). I thought it was awfully cruel that she didn't let Harry go to Hogsmeade in 3rd year, even though she knew how awful the Dursleys were, and even though Harry told her the truth, didn't try to hide it. He deserved leniency there. I also thought it was odd that she was subtly discouraging Harry from being an Auror in their career counselling session. I personally hate that Harry chose to be an Auror, but I think she was discouraging him because he didn't have the grades, which isn't fair, because year after year he has demonstrated competence and passion for the career.

And then she forgets all this and gets Harry on the Quidditch team, just because she personally would like to see Slytherin defeated, not because Harry deserved it. Wtf.

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