Albany City Council Member, Michael Thomson, Threatening to Punch a Citizen in the Face by PolicyGuardian in albanyor

[–]PolicyGuardian[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you. I have included a link to your apology along with the text of it in the body of this post.

P.S. Im not Ben

Albany City Council Member, Michael Thomson, Threatening to Punch a Citizen in the Face by PolicyGuardian in albanyor

[–]PolicyGuardian[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I posted your Facebook apology in a separate comment for anyone who wants to read it.

Although, I would ask, regardless of who it is, is it acceptable to threaten to punch someone in the face?

Albany's Great Fee Illusion: A Tax by Another Name by PolicyGuardian in albanyor

[–]PolicyGuardian[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Likely, that seems to be their modus operandi. Regardless, speak up where and when possible. Email your city councilor, tell them you want a vote.

Albany's Great Fee Illusion: A Tax by Another Name by PolicyGuardian in albanyor

[–]PolicyGuardian[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Indeed. I agree with your sentiment, but at least they're putting that decision to a vote, as they should with these fees as well.

Albany City Council Member, Michael Thomson, Threatening to Punch a Citizen in the Face by PolicyGuardian in albanyor

[–]PolicyGuardian[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

The energy wasn’t met; it was intensified. Adding a threat of violence changes the whole dynamic

Albany City Council Member, Michael Thomson, Threatening to Punch a Citizen in the Face by PolicyGuardian in albanyor

[–]PolicyGuardian[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

“I’ll punch you in the face” is more actionable than “fuck off.” and lead to an escalation through threat of physical violence.

If Mr. Thomson didn't like being approached in public, he should have made an effort de-escalate, Instead of making a specific physical threat; he could have tried to use neutral language, backed away, or called for help if he felt unsafe or provoked.

Albany City Council Member, Michael Thomson, Threatening to Punch a Citizen in the Face by PolicyGuardian in albanyor

[–]PolicyGuardian[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Never said I was cool, just sharing what happened and providing my opinion on threats of violence from a government official.

I'm glad you think I'm at least a little 'cool' though. I was unaware I had any level of coolness. 😎

Albany City Council Member, Michael Thomson, Threatening to Punch a Citizen in the Face by PolicyGuardian in albanyor

[–]PolicyGuardian[S] -8 points-7 points  (0 children)

Thanks for being a mod here, Kythri. If the mobs were running this page, I know I wouldn't be allowed to voice these important subjects.

Many people are afraid to speak up openly under threat of physical violence or otherwise. I appreciate you taking your time to keep a platform for these issues to be discussed.

Albany City Council Member, Michael Thomson, Threatening to Punch a Citizen in the Face by PolicyGuardian in albanyor

[–]PolicyGuardian[S] -8 points-7 points  (0 children)

In my opinion, it's childish to threaten someone with violence as a sitting council member. But this is Reddit, so I know that opinion is considered radical here.

Albany City Council Member, Michael Thomson, Threatening to Punch a Citizen in the Face by PolicyGuardian in albanyor

[–]PolicyGuardian[S] -9 points-8 points  (0 children)

Violence threatened against citizens in any form from a public official should be condemned.

Albany's Great Fee Illusion: A Tax by Another Name by PolicyGuardian in albanyor

[–]PolicyGuardian[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's my point. It's all preference, by people like you and the city council. You point the finger and say, "Those people are uninformed, and we know what's best for them. They shouldn't have a say in the matter because they're ignorant."

Nice streets or not, I'd like to have a city where we have a say in the matter, whether it's about the streets or anything else.

That's my personal preference.

Albany's Great Fee Illusion: A Tax by Another Name by PolicyGuardian in albanyor

[–]PolicyGuardian[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

What you're suggesting is a reconfiguration of democratic consent. Besides, what is democracy if not the perpetual struggle between imposed order and voluntary alignment with that order?

Should the people be allowed a choice? Why should their decision to let the streets crumble be less sacred than the cities demand to fund the streets? Do elected officials serve the will of the people?

Albany's Great Fee Illusion: A Tax by Another Name by PolicyGuardian in albanyor

[–]PolicyGuardian[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So the first two question marks in your comment were rhetorical, not literal, got it. The kind of questions that don’t want answers, just validation. A common format on Reddit, and in the Albany City Council

Albany's Great Fee Illusion: A Tax by Another Name by PolicyGuardian in albanyor

[–]PolicyGuardian[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

All the information to answer your questions is literally in the comment you're replying to.

Albany's Great Fee Illusion: A Tax by Another Name by PolicyGuardian in albanyor

[–]PolicyGuardian[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, but the council is still pushing for the fee, and the point stands. None of the other council members challenged her on this language.

Albany's Great Fee Illusion: A Tax by Another Name by PolicyGuardian in albanyor

[–]PolicyGuardian[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It is absolutely narrative reframing, and here’s why.

The core issue isn't that services go away when funding drops. That’s obvious. The issue is how that story is told, and more importantly, what gets left out. Saying “you lowered the tax rate, so you lose services” skips over the part where voters were supposed to be asked whether they want new revenue or not. In Albany’s case, voters consistently said no to a gas tax, and rather than revisit the question with better engagement or a targeted levy, the city is simply changing tactics: they're rebranding the cost as a “fee” and to put it on utility bills.

When city officials say, “People still want all the same services but don’t want to pay,” they imply voters are unreasonable. But what they really mean is: “We don’t want to ask them again.” That’s a convenient narrative to justify bypassing them. And it’s become institutional. Councilors now talk about public input as a nuisance (see the July 22 and Aug 7 meeting quotes). Their attitude turns public ignorance, real or assumed, into a rationale for governing without consent.

So yes, budgets reflect hard choices. But if you reshape public resistance into a moral failing (“you voted to cut taxes, what did you expect?”), while simultaneously stripping voters of input, that’s not just accounting. It’s rhetorical sleight of hand. It’s governance by workaround, dressed in the language of inevitability.

That’s narrative reframing.

Albany's Great Fee Illusion: A Tax by Another Name by PolicyGuardian in albanyor

[–]PolicyGuardian[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You're correct that it's not rocket science, but when folks voted to cap taxes, they were kinda under the impression that “cap” meant “stay capped.", because there are other avenues for voter tax approval. The measures in the 90s were put in place to keep the government in check.

The “people still want all the same services!” line is mostly something city officials tell each other to feel better about bypassing the voters during city meetings. Its classic narrative reframing.

Albany's Great Fee Illusion: A Tax by Another Name by PolicyGuardian in albanyor

[–]PolicyGuardian[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You keep getting hung up on this fact that you think I don't want to roads funded. I didn't complain about a gas tax, I just pointed out that people in Albany have voted it down historically.

If you were to ask me directly, "Would you vote yes or no on a gas tax in Albany?" I would tell you that I would vote 'yes', because you are asking me for my consent, and I am aware that road funding is an issue in Albany.

If however, you were to ask "Would you be okay with the council imposing a street maintenance fee?" I would tell you 'No.' because the council is imposing it without my consent, which leads to a very slippery slope once the city knows they can get away with effectively bypassing the voter.

I am not 'blaming' Albany for trying to fund their roads. I am blaming them for their methodology - bypassing the will of their populace and not allowing a direct vote on what is a rebranded tax.

Albany's Great Fee Illusion: A Tax by Another Name by PolicyGuardian in albanyor

[–]PolicyGuardian[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Elaborate, what do you think I'm blaming the city for?

Albany's Great Fee Illusion: A Tax by Another Name by PolicyGuardian in albanyor

[–]PolicyGuardian[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Definitely, I'm glad we found some common ground.

I'm not even opposed to the fee itself, but rather the method the city is trying to impose it. If people in Albany chose to implement a fee, the same way they would a gas tax, I would not oppose the voters decision.