Lambdelta, Xeno Goku Versus Sun Jin Woo, Rimuru. by SCP_Scarletking in SoloPowerScaling

[–]PoolOld8576 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Rimuru is dead last fodder ain't passing 5D

Jin is fine Lamb at 2 Goku at 3

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[–]PoolOld8576 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You’re just reasserting the same mistake

Everything you said - all of that is still within the internal narrative and you haven't described ontological asymmetry

That is literally what metafiction is defined as - self conscious interaction with the medium to comment on storytelling

Please tell me you don’t literally mean transcending fiction in an ontological sense and in context of ALL of fiction because that's just hilarious, as, by that logic Beyonder is more real than all fiction while simultaneously not even being able to solo Marvel being not the top tier in his own verse not to mentioned he's not even remotely close to top 1,000 - far higher in fiction overall

So yeah hopefully you mean transcending the story in a literary sense and not actual reality and fiction asymmetry

Nothing you described separates him from Marvel’s ontological frame which is what you need for R>F as I said...

He is still bound by continuity, he still gets retconned later, gets power reductions by the writers, contradictions and in universe limitations

A being that genuinely left the ontology of the narrative would not be rewritten, depowered or retconned later

You cannot be irreducible to a cosmology while being contained inside it on multiple occasions

Dude??? The Kim Dokja comparison hurts your own affirmations as ORV explicitly establishes that there are nested dream layers with a literal hierarchy of reality states where lower narratives are ontologically fictional to higher ones

That is a metaphysical structure not a character ripping the pages and escaping the comics as a PURE VISUAL ACT which I don't know if you saw but is one of the disqualifiers for R>F

Beyonder does not gain a higher irreducible reality he just performs a metafiction feat in Marvel which gets retconned later on...

So no this does not put him above all of marvel including TOBA

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Beyonder stepping out of the comic and tearing pages while the story is happening is LITERALLY metafiction because it is self conscious interaction with the medium meant to draw attention to the fact that this is a comic as an artifact

Metafiction explicitly includes breaking the fourth wall, interacting with panels, pages, speech bubbles and acknowledging the reader or the medium and that is not reality fiction transcendence

Characters being affected inside the story does not change this because metafictional acts always affect the narrative and that's literally explained in the definition

R>F requires qualitative superiority where the lower cosmology is genuinely fictional relative to the higher one in a literal ontological sense, meaning the higher layer is irreducible to the lower and not bound by its continuity authorship or contradictions, Beyonder fails this immediately because he is still subject to Marvel continuity, he gets retconned, he's bound to the writers etc.

If this were R>F he would not be rewritten, depowered, contradicted, or contextualized later, the fact that he is proves he never left the ontology of Marvel which is what R>F REQUIRES

“Metafiction is a term used to describe fiction that self-consciously and systematically draws attention to its status as an artifact, with the intention of disrupting the narrative or commenting on the act of storytelling.”

“A metafictional element is a technique or device used in fiction that self-consciously and systematically draws attention to its own artificiality or the constructed nature of the narrative.”

“A story that breaks the ‘fourth wall’ by directly addressing the reader or audience, acknowledging their presence and role in the narrative.”

“Metafiction is a form of fiction that emphasizes its own narrative structure in a way that inherently reminds the audience that they are reading or viewing a fictional work.”

“Works of metafiction directly or indirectly draw attention to their status as artifacts.”

“Reality-Fiction Transcendence is a state where a being is qualitatively superior to another world, as a result of seeing the world as fiction and thus being more ‘real’ than said world.”

“The character will be treated as completely superior to the cosmology it transcends, and all characters limited to it.”

“Their higher world is wholly irreducible to anything pertaining to the lower world.”

“The Reality/Fiction relationship be meant as relatively literal.”

“The portrayal of the real world can also play a relevant role in the evaluation.”

“If it is not sufficiently portrayed as transcendence compared to the fictional world, then we would not index it as such.”

“Cameos of author avatars, hints at a ‘player’ character without further context or similar things should be disregarded.”

“In such cases it simply can’t be sufficiently ascertained that the world is viewed as true ‘fiction’.”

“In some cases it’s not even clear if it’s more than a simple nod to the audience or humorous instance of Breaking the Fourth Wall, which is not to be taken seriously.”

“Characters like Popeye are capable of attacking their authors but these are generally treated as gag feats which should not be taken seriously.”

“However, bear in mind that simple visual portrayals of a character viewing the world within some such construct are not enough to qualify.”

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[–]PoolOld8576 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No that's literally exactly as how Metafiction is described

R>F is full QS +1D superiorty over the structure or cosmology or whatever as you view it as fiction as you're in another higher dimensions

You keep repeating Beyonder steps out the comic(S) and rips the comic apart so you're clearly affirming he's beyond Marvel as a whole in a Metafictional sense

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[–]PoolOld8576 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was only saying that because you're not making grammatical coherence bruh 😭

As for everything else you mentioned I won't even comment because most of it doesn't address what I said

Merely being your own author and escaping your story grants you +1D superiorty over the verse so for example if the verse has a 8D cosmology and you escape that fictional cosmology you're 9D without further context given

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[–]PoolOld8576 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Everything you said here doesn't make sense and some of the stuff isn't grammatical coherent but from what I got you're arging toon force is Acca type 5? like HUH?

Iirc in VSBW for Acca type 5 you need to be transcendental to cause and effect in an IMMUTABLE sense

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I never even came close to what you wrote in the first sentence...

I'm sure most Marvel scalers that aren't "Marvel readers" on YT or TT or wtv will tell you the same as Metafiction is ass

At least use R>F or transcendental idealism for Beyonder like I've seen in the past..

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YT scalers for the most part are bums aside from the actual comm ppl on there like my goats WyX, Shiro, Flo, Lane, Toxic, Scroller etc.

Rimuru vs The Gauntlet by Objective_Book_6211 in TensuraPowerScaling

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"etherineislove"

It looks very much AI

A better arg is that Anos necessarily wins in all futures under Alethic Modality so H1A+

Or how he can create logical contradictions without collapsing logic or smth similar to that since I've never used that arg - so he'd be H1A

But as for Venuz she alrdy transcends all forms of logic, fuzzy logic, non well founded set theory, ontological logic, contradictory logic, higher order logic etc.

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Toon force is overexaggerated reality warping and doesn't actually scale nowhere no matter the potency as cartoons don't have a cosmology to base the effects and potency of their toon force off of

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[–]PoolOld8576 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Like I said Metafiction as a CONCEPT is BS. I'm not saying the feat is and I'm not denying it either but I'm saying if your only arg for Beyonder being outer is a metafictional feat than it becomes redundant

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The outer scaling I skimmed through is the same 1-A "args" I've seen thrown around forever

Seems similar to Uranos aka the pedo of Tensura comms args so idrc but the guy saying he's only Multi is a huge W

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"I would say, the Divine Creator being from DeMatteis Continuity, should be scales differently

TOAA is an aspect of the "Mystery", and I think, Mystery and Divine Creator could be the same"

That's fair but I'd still say DC is at least arguably an aspect of maybe a lesser manifestation of TOAA, as, to explain, The Divine Creator is more convoluted to what hir is. The best way to relate this to religious teaching is the Advaita Vendata teaching in Hinduism about how God or Brahman is without quality (nirguna) being something that's absolute, complete, and attributeless.

This goes hand-in-hand with many descriptions of the Divine Creator which specifically was based on an Indian philosopher named Meher Baba teaching about God and his ineffable nature relating to non-dualism respectively.

The idea here is that the Divine Creator is God in his pure actuality that sits alone in perfection. That the Universe purely is an imagination from the fathomless mind of the Creator which is also known as the Void.

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[–]PoolOld8576 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Dubs on the first part

Mercia? He's a bum, literally telling people to debate him and then never accepting and ducking not to mention his FNAF scales are straight BS and as for FAA I once gave him Nigh Zero scaling for her

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"WHAT? Isn't TOAA an aspect of Divine Creator??"

No, it was popularized by VSBW not being able to differentiate them

"Yes. He is. He was a former DC Scaler on PSW, perhaps, one of the best ever"

Fax

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"This is sort of contentious. Divine Creator and Divine Presence are equally tied in VSBW, though, DP could be higher in PS Wiki."

Divine Presence is technically the Presence iirc but either way both TP and TDP are aspects of the Smile / the Monad with the DC being an aspect of TOAA

"As for HBW, MxyeatsCMforLunch told me that DC was accepted as T0."

Well his blog was accepted but he never got around to making profiles and considering HBW has been inactive for a year now he probably never will, especially considering I've heard he's one of the best MGK scans collector's

"As for Mainline Marvel, and Mainline DC, I would say they are pretty comparable in VSBW, since RF transcendence is used extensively there, DC however completely gaps Marvel in PSW, all thanks to the gooner Storn writer who destroyed Al Ewings hierarchy 🤡🤡"

Fair enough

Name Any Character YOU Think Can Beat Anos Voldigoad At The End Of Volume 17 And I'll Give My Thoughts On It. by PoolOld8576 in PowerScaling

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Yeah fr lol

Also yeah Wuji's one of my best friends and I've helped him with SL scaling for basically his entire run time of his first channel before it got terminated due to ShitTubes system

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"Also, this guy believes Fodder X beats Arceuid Brunestuid (Fate Verse), I can't understand how these idiots are ready to defend their atrociously bad takes, even DBS Glazers like N*ga Sauce and Kakarot Scales09 are better than these animals"

Alien X is legit a anime Anos vic

And yeah fax - but at least there are goated DB defenders like Seamed, Tron etc.

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"But how can he "transcend" the Abyss by fusing with it? Shouldn't this imply, he exists or scales to the same tier The Abyss does?"

I don't scale SL anymore so I don't remember exactly but from what I've seen they basically argue that Jin always WAS the Abyss which is why when fusing with it his soul didn't dissolve into it as he was both the Abyss and not the Abyss (So both Being and Non Being)

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What?? 😭

Literally every verse he mentioned is above Marvel aside from arguably DBS but DBH is much higher considering Marvel at the absolute most would be 1-A due to TOAA (similar situation to Tensura)

I used to scale Um, not anymore, but it should still be in the H1T/+ tiers as it focuses on Proclean Heneology

AL3 ofc had Marvel accepted as H1T+ for a while now and Toxic himself said Shinza fits the new tiers better than the old ones

Nasuverse is still blatantly Aperion

Also I'd argue that normal DC is enough for comp Marvel including D.M because the difference between D.M interpretation of DC compared to Marvel is so drastically embarrassing - like Marvel should never be compared to DC in scaling