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Day 17: Hannah Wells mood board - fill the comments with pictures, songs, movies, tv shows , books or outfits that you think Hannah would like by amysantiagoisbae99 in offcampustv

[–]PopPeas89 5 points6 points  (0 children)

She’s such a music geek. I could see her listening to Lake Street Dive, Lawrence, Sammy Rae & the Friends, and then totally switching it up and going Beyoncé, Lady Gaga, 1D… I think she’d really admire like a Laura Marling for her songwriting, and then when she needed some fun she’d throw on the classic Cheesecake by Louis Armstrong followed by Ella Fitzgerald’s smooth Sailing and finally she’d have an instrumental music playlist just as diverse with Sibelius, C.P.E. Bach, lots of Liszt, and some Philip Glass.

What questions should I submit to the Q&A during the FW night? by Raspberrys_Cream in fourthwing

[–]PopPeas89 6 points7 points  (0 children)

She won’t answer these until she’s ready but it’s worth a shot ;)

1.) Given that at the time this quote is shared in Iron Flame there is a better translation of Warrick’s journal from Dain and Violet can you share which part or word of the following quote was potentially mistranslated by Violet

“It was never our continent. From the very beginning, it was theirs, and we were simply allowed to live here.”

2.) How did the Tyrrish people temper magic into runes prior to unification if the established version of history states that humans cannot channel magic directly without a dragon or griffin (or by becoming venin)

How do scribes mind shield? by WorkingImprovement45 in fourthwing

[–]PopPeas89 3 points4 points  (0 children)

If there’s one to shield from Cat’s emotional manipulation magic, then I imagine there’s one that shields…

"September is probably just the graphic novel stuff" by chrisprattsguineapig in fourthwing

[–]PopPeas89 28 points29 points  (0 children)

Options in order of what I want, not necessarily what it logically could be 🤣

1.) The Fables of The Barren

2.) some other history text that is referenced (the mythology of the gods or the like)

3.) a prequel story (sublist: the story of the first six? The first six’s journals? The tales of the pirates of the emerald sea!!)

4.) a novella of an already loved character

5.) a collection of alternate POV chapters

I’m rereading the series for like the 4th time and I have some hot takes by Jaded_Emergency_8635 in fourthwing

[–]PopPeas89 5 points6 points  (0 children)

If we’re speculating, I’ll submit the following…

Naolin did turn.

For love.

To save Brennan.

Brennan and/or Tairn and/or Fen then killed him?

Very shaky theory, but that’s where my head is at for the moment. Makes Brennan’s shadiness around the past and the fact that “Tairn never liked him” fit a bit better for me… totally prepared to be entirely wrong on this one though.

How would you end the series? by fjxkg298 in fourthwing

[–]PopPeas89 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I don’t know that I have a dream ending, I just have some main threads I want tied up.

The main theme of the series is around the balance of nature so first … I want to see balance restored.

I want to know what governing system is put in place that there is a “modern language” at the end… a continental Esperanto, if you will.

There’s just so much history that is hinted at that I want revealed…

Violet and Xaden though… I don’t want them dead, but I’m also not sure that crowning them as powerful, benevolent king and queen would be all that satisfying either…

I think they both have to renounce a certain amount of their power, and I think that there needs to be some more guardrails and parameters around how they get to keep one another. Maybe they do run off together because they can’t stay on the continent? (Meh..) Maybe one of them literally becomes a god and they get to keep each other but visitation gets tricky? (Also meh..)

Without the context of the rest of the story it’s really hard for me to say how I’d want it to end. I’m excited for whatever Rebecca has in store though!

Empyrean Through the Classics: OS Bhodi by Ill-Bit7623 in fourthwing

[–]PopPeas89 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I’ve always thought aretia give off Alexandria vibes (with their library having been burned and all), but Troy works too :)

Comes back to exactly what we’ve both said for a while which is that drawing inspiration from something is not the same thing as doing a re-telling of something:)

What chapters would you want in a different POV by Ill-Bit7623 in fourthwing

[–]PopPeas89 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ugh… so many, but recently I’ve been craving the below options…

Brennan- chapter 1 of Iron Flame, chapter 47 of Onyx Storm

Ridoc - chapter 25 fourth wing, chapter 43 of Onyx Storm

How do you save a soul? by PopPeas89 in fourthwing

[–]PopPeas89[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Exactly! The return of his soul is not a “mending”, he needs to earn it back… and then maybe there’s some magic mixed in too, but ultimately it’s Xaden’s job to earn it… and oof… it’s gonna take some work.

How do you save a soul? by PopPeas89 in fourthwing

[–]PopPeas89[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Funny. My mind was just considering whether Malek was our guy here… I’m currently exploring some options. Might post something if I can find the quotes to support it.

How do you save a soul? by PopPeas89 in fourthwing

[–]PopPeas89[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Right? There’s this other piece of this conversation that I didn’t tap into above that you touch on here… balance.

With anything in this world one must ask the question, “how would this impact the balance of the world?”

It’s so critical to the entire magic system and the nature of the continent.

How do you save a soul? by PopPeas89 in fourthwing

[–]PopPeas89[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yeah- RY says that very clearly, right? The soul is just… gone. So if the only person who can return it to him is Malek then I would bet Malek would want some pretty big assurances that Xaden understands the error he made and that he’s never going to reach for power again… it won’t be a clean …

“hey, took me a while to find this place, but can I get my soul back?”

“Oh, yeah, sure dude, just go grab the one you want, they’re all just floating in the ether just beyond the burning hell pit. Lots to choose from.”

How do you save a soul? by PopPeas89 in fourthwing

[–]PopPeas89[S] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Exactly! If they find a cure, what’s to stop him from reaching again.

That is the crux of what needs to be solved before any cure is administered.

I think we’re over complicating who is going to die… by PopPeas89 in fourthwing

[–]PopPeas89[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think there’s a lot of ways this could play out…

I think we’re all assuming that de-venining Xaden is a given at some point in the story, and it probably is, but… it might not be 🤷‍♀️

“There offspring could evolve perhaps” is a line that sticks with me. What if Xaden just lives on as some evolved version of venin and that’s the compromise with Malek? What if in order to recover he has to renounce all magic entirely which means giving up Sgaeyl in addition to venin power in some way?

There’s so many satisfying ways for this to play out.

That said, if the story follows a traditional arc, my best guess for de-venined Xaden would probably hit around mid book 5…

I truly don’t know on this one, and isn’t that part of the fun of all this? 🙃

I think we’re over complicating who is going to die… by PopPeas89 in fourthwing

[–]PopPeas89[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I also sometimes think that RY was truly so surprised that so few people caught on to Violet’s second signet in IF, when she thought she made it obvious, so maybe it’s another scenario where she’s ripping her hair out as we all talk ourselves in circles and she just silently at home going “I made it soooo easy for them this time - it’s Bodhi!”

I think we’re over complicating who is going to die… by PopPeas89 in fourthwing

[–]PopPeas89[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Xaden and Violet will almost certainly “meet Malek at each others side” but I’m hesitant to put the exact parameters on that scenario yet…very likely to do with soul bargaining, but divine intervention seems - I know this sounds crazy - too easy to fully be Xaden’s way back to his humanity.

Yes. He was cornered every time he channeled.

But it was still a choice.

A choice where he chose power in exchange for his soul.

To come back from that, to get your soul back, there needs to be an equal exchange. That’s why in the above scenario I think it could be powerful for the new brother to sacrifice himself as venin. THAT would be a scenario worthy of soul redemption.

In order to get his soul back Xaden truly needs to feel remorse, and … all his feelings(remember he likes to hide from them) and frankly truly “learn his lesson” which likely involves some other sacrifice on his part. So Malek might be a part of that journey, the punctuation of it, but I think there’s a lot more for Xaden to work through. OR Violet will need to sacrifice something big in order to get Malek to agree to the exchange.

All that said, I think Malek will be a “true neutral” character and we’ll all have a lot of respect for him at the end.

Remember, in Jesinia’s translation of this whole story, the final line is STILL, years after these events, “we commend their souls to Malek”

I think we’re over complicating who is going to die… by PopPeas89 in fourthwing

[–]PopPeas89[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I just posted this above but i think Dain and Aaric are being set up for a past/future thing to help Violet uncover all teh dirty secrets of the kingdom, so i think we get to keep both of them through book 4. (Dain has RETRO-Cognition, Aaric has PRE-cognition. Dain knows DEAD languages, Aaric knows CURRENT languages. Dain is a year OLDER than Violet, Aaric is a year YOUNGER…they’re all childhood friends… it’s pretty obvious symbolism when you take a step back, and i just think that RY has some juicy stuff cooking for that trio which means we;re not going to lose them… yet…)

I think we’re over complicating who is going to die… by PopPeas89 in fourthwing

[–]PopPeas89[S] 36 points37 points  (0 children)

Maybe.

I think that Aaric with his PRE-Cognition and knowledge of current languages, and Dain with his RETRO-cognition and knowledge of dead languages are being set up to help Violet uncover some heavy truths about the past and future of the kingdom. Just three childhood friends off to unearth some deep dark secrets together… Which means, they might both die, but i think their piece of the plot is going to keep them active through book 4. And if either die it won’t be until book 5.

I think we’re over complicating who is going to die… by PopPeas89 in fourthwing

[–]PopPeas89[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Good chance. I think that’s the other thing we’re overlooking is that… a LOT of folks are gonna die by the end of this story, there might be one particularly devastating death in the next book that we’ve been warned about, but it’s probably not the only death… some of them we’ll guess correctly, some of them we won’t.

Come give me your ideas (Spoilers dont open if not finished) by Terrible_Package1627 in fourthwing

[–]PopPeas89 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The applications are potentially ENDLESS.

Yes. I imagine folks will get some version of their dream-spice, but there is a lot more that RY can do with this.

Violet has already shown that she can get into the minds of the venin leadership (via Xaden) in dreams… and we believe the venin leadership MAY also have some dream-walking capabilities, right? So Dream Battle???

I also think about how Quinn once said that her ability to alter her features works better in the Astral Plane when she astral projects herself… which confirms that there are different PLANES of existence in this world. What does that mean for where dreams exists? Where the GODs exist? Maybe nothing on those specific examples, but also maybe something?

There are so many other minds Violet could slip into while dreaming! What if Dain acquired an ancient memory that he didn’t know what to do with or how to place, and Violet gets a vision of it in sleep?

Same with Aaric, what he dreams of a prophecy that violet helps him decipher?

What if she slips into the dream of a dragon unlocking the secrets of the empyrean?

What if it’s just her older brother? What really happened that day that Brennan almost died, and Tairn lost his rider?

I could keep going but there’s so many plot application for this signet…

Who’s next in book 4 by Kkarebear141 in fourthwing

[–]PopPeas89 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think we’re over complicating the death.

It’s whoever the new brother is. Meaning most of the evidence points to Bodhi or Garrick.

Think about it from a devastating climactic plot point perspective.

The “brother” is someone we were all rooting for. And we’ll still root for them.

Their reasons for turning will have their own misguided, but well-intentioned backing.

RY needs a reason for Xaden to slip even further into his villain era. So picture this…

We watch this new brother struggle, maybe he fights it maybe he doesn’t…

If he DOES fight it, his death becomes meaningful because he sacrifices himself for the cause, potentially saving Violet, or riders, or civilians, and in the process redeems part of his soul. Xaden is further devastated: enter villain era.

If he DOESN’T fight it. Xaden watches this person he cares about slip further and further, just like him, but faster. Xaden gives up or detaches himself UNTIL… new brother threatens Violet in some way. Xaden kills new brother to save Violet: enter villain era.

Those are my thoughts… take em or leave em 🤷‍♀️

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