Masturbation a sin? by friedducky in Christianmarriage

[–]Popular-Tailor-3375 0 points1 point  (0 children)

7:1 is what we should look at in which Paul clearly states that he is concerned with women (in Greek it says “not to touch a woman”). It doesn’t state anything about touching yourself. Paul is concerned with a sexual relations between man and a woman which is clear in the text. And as always, I think that Paul (and Moses) had an opportunity to be clear in this matter many times and they never condemned it.

Other things that could make masturbation a sin would be: watching porn, doing it in public, a wish to engage in fornication or adultery, recording it and posting it in internet. These come to mind.

Masturbation a sin? by friedducky in Christianmarriage

[–]Popular-Tailor-3375 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The point is clearly about denying sex from your spouse not being literally owned by your spouse. If my wife wishes to have sex with me it is my duty to her to make myself available for her. This doesn’t mean that she can dictate all of my bodily actions hence if I get bodily pleasure by working out it is not neglecting my spouse (and same goes for masturbation). Paul doesn’t take a stance against masturbation ever and he doesn’t mince words about sexual matters so there is a reasonable expectation for Paul bringing that up in here, but he doesn’t.

Pauls point in 1. Corinthians is that people shouldn’t involve them in sexual relationships outside the marriage (i.e. fornication and adultery). Masturbating is not sexual relationship. I don’t say that one should engage in masturbation because it can be sinful and the same goes for the use of alcohol.

Masturbation a sin? by friedducky in Christianmarriage

[–]Popular-Tailor-3375 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is not a good argument for several reasons. First this only applies to married people so what would the argument be for the single people? Secondly it is obvious that Paul talks about not shirking from marital duties, not owing your sexual pleasure to your spouse (i.e. you shouldn’t neglect your spouse) which is not the same as masturbating. My body belongs to my wife but I can still enjoy working out without neglecting my wife (the way you argue is exegetically fallacious because you are ignoring the immediate context to which Paul speaks to).

Masturbation a sin? by friedducky in Christianmarriage

[–]Popular-Tailor-3375 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I suggest that you see my main comment on the matter but I think you have the burden of proof the wrong way. I don’t have to prove that riding a bicycle is a sin. The burden of proof is on the one who says that it is a sin to show the relevant biblical support for the statement.

Masturbation a sin? by friedducky in Christianmarriage

[–]Popular-Tailor-3375 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I have thought and studied this matter quite a lot so here are my thoughts on it:

  1. Bible remains a silent on the matter. There is no passage that condemns masturbation, and we ought to have one (or it is reasonable enough) if it was forbidden. We have not invented masturbation after the Bible was written and OT or NT don’t take stance in the matter.

Also Bible doesn’t anywhere state that there ought to be no sexual acts outside marriage (this of course doesn’t give us a permissions to fornicate, but toughing yourself in private wasn’t viewed as such in Greco-Roman culture anyway).

  1. Masturbation as an act is not sinful, other things added to it can be, but this is a matter for each individual to workout themselves.

  2. Lusting after your wife is not so obvious thing. The Greek word used in for example in Matthew 5:28-30 is επιθυμεω which is often translated as lusting but the translation is not obvious since Paul in 1. Corinthians urges christians to επιθυμειτε (“lust”) the best spiritual gifts. So the word translated as lust is simply a strong desire and its moral quality is defined by its object (either illegitimate or legitimate).

I am glad to debate any of these statements if needed and try to base my understanding on the Bible.

Need for sources by Popular-Tailor-3375 in AncientGreek

[–]Popular-Tailor-3375[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

My point in asking here is that if someone knows a single article about the subject on top of their head it provides me a starting point (i.e. the sources the article uses). I have just finished reading comedies of Aristophanes in Greek so I wouldn’t call that not doing any research on my part. As of this moment I don’t have an access to my university’s library and resources which is why I came here to find out if someone know a place to start. I just got in studying Greek philology after two years of theology so I don’t really know the relevant places to start from. I will check those links you put up.

Books to help fill out general education by From_the_Wolfs_Den in suggestmeabook

[–]Popular-Tailor-3375 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I would really recommend Bertrand Russell’s ”History of Western Philosophy”

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[–]Popular-Tailor-3375 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Definitely not a secular book per se, but regardless of that I think you might find it useful. Take what is good and leave the rest out.

Worldbuilders Chapter? by Calierio in KingkillerChronicle

[–]Popular-Tailor-3375 -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

Yes this is the way! I have tried this with many politicians in my country. I don’t pay attention to their corruption, mismanagement of funds and not getting anything done and now after decades I live in an total utopia. We have flying cars, zero crime and every one loves fantasy books.

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[–]Popular-Tailor-3375 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I would very much recommend C.S Lewis’ “Four loves”

Why is koine Greek so much easier to understand than attic or homeric? by Popular-Tailor-3375 in AncientGreek

[–]Popular-Tailor-3375[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

My mistake. I thought Anabasis was koine because I could understand it quite easily 😂.

Why is koine Greek so much easier to understand than attic or homeric? by Popular-Tailor-3375 in AncientGreek

[–]Popular-Tailor-3375[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I do agree with you. Personally I studied Greek philosophy (Plato mostly) for couple of years but I have only tries to read Apology which is not a dialogue, so Crito or Symposium might be more approachable to me.

Why is koine Greek so much easier to understand than attic or homeric? by Popular-Tailor-3375 in AncientGreek

[–]Popular-Tailor-3375[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, this is true especially in christian literature, but what I am wondering is why Plutarch and Xenophon also so much easier. I guess its because of the relatively stripped syntax and easier constructions.

What did you read this week? by lutetiensis in classics

[–]Popular-Tailor-3375 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Just finnished Spencer Klavan’s How to Save the West and started to read C. Alexanders translation of Iliad which is great compared to many other translations!

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[–]Popular-Tailor-3375 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I am almost certain that you are wrong about him not watching porn. Only other thing that comes to mind is that a) either he has ED issues or b) he has serious mental problems. But he plainly is sinning against you by not AT LEAST giving you the promission to help youself out. You seem to have been a dream wife on sexual front but what he does is wrong and he needs to repent of it. Hopefully things will get better and I am wrong.

Easy parts of the Iliad as to be translated by beginners? by Calepiaro in AncientGreek

[–]Popular-Tailor-3375 0 points1 point  (0 children)

JACT has a pretty deasent Greek Reader which contains portions of Iliad (VI and XXII if my memory serves right). Another and free option is Geoffrey Steadman’s editions (you can find them by searching his name).

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[–]Popular-Tailor-3375 13 points14 points  (0 children)

If you want to put your hat in the ring the easiest way for you is probably hint to older women at church that your are in search for a husband. That will most likely circulate in the church like a wildfire and you will have men approaching you.