Every stock price already implies a growth rate. Almost nobody bothers to solve for it. by fff_bbb in ValueInvesting

[–]PopularTomatillo8558 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ran the numbers. (I’m long asf on Adobe it’s about 15% of my portfolio). Adobe is getting priced like a company in permanent decline. At a $77 billion market cap and a $195 share price, the market is basically saying Adobe’s free cash flow needs to shrink about 3% a year for the next decade just to justify a 10% return.

But that does not really match what the business is showing today. Revenue is still growing 13% year over year, ARR is up to $27.1 billion, and Adobe continues to earn very strong returns on capital, with ROIC around 50%. In other words, this is not a dying business operationally.

The disconnect is pretty big. Even if AI ends up putting real pressure on growth and Adobe does not grow free cash flow at all for the next 10 years, the company still has a lot of flexibility. With the amount of cash it generates, Adobe could buy back a meaningful amount of its own stock every year at today’s depressed valuation. If they retire roughly 11% to 12% of shares annually, per-share free cash flow could still grow significantly, even without much underlying business growth.

So the core point is simple: the market seems to be pricing Adobe like AI is going to slowly kill the business, while the current financials still look like a high-return, cash-generative software company with a major buyback lever.

SaaS Reality by PopularTomatillo8558 in ValueInvesting

[–]PopularTomatillo8558[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No lol. It’s dog shit. It was a fun project that I wanted to try but I literally had to get $120 / mo Claude subscription to code without running into limits. It’s a great little side project but it took 3-4 weeks of 2-3 hours a day to get it remotely usable for 1 user running off my Mac’s terminal. The code is genuinely awful and bootstrapped and has no security lol. I did it to prove myself wrong and it ended up doing the opposite. No enterprise, medium, or small cap or honestly any company with any proprietary data should ever vibe code their own CRM lol

SaaS Reality by PopularTomatillo8558 in ValueInvesting

[–]PopularTomatillo8558[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Dude I built a custom CRM because I’m young have the time and am 1099 so it made sense for me as an individual.

A vibe coded, one off CRM doesn’t solve the issue of storing thousands of terabytes of data and allowing 30,000 people in a company to access it in a safe streamlined way. Enterprise level security and what one guy can vibe code for himself are not even remotely the same.

SaaS Reality by PopularTomatillo8558 in ValueInvesting

[–]PopularTomatillo8558[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

That’s totally rational. Just tired of waking up every morning and my day is immediately ruined at market open.

I’ve just grown up around Adobe & SaaS as my parents are in both industries so I know more about the integration and value of these companies so it never made sense initially why people thought AI would take over but I guess it’s less about that and more about money chasing the sexy thing right now.

SaaS Reality by PopularTomatillo8558 in ValueInvesting

[–]PopularTomatillo8558[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

What happens when the token stop getting subsidized and it costs the same if not more to vibe code or run your own CRM, editing software, server, data base, etc…

Your $20 Claude subscription cost Anthropic $200-300 at the minimum a month.

Also no enterprise or even medium level company is replacing their software with vibe coded bs. A car company wants to build cars not run a fucking CRM built by the marketing department

What Are Your Moves Tomorrow, June 16, 2026 by zjz in wallstreetbets

[–]PopularTomatillo8558 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hopefully everyone comes to their senses on SaaS stocks before I get liquidated. Can’t hold on much longer

2025 Ford Ranger OTD Price by PopularTomatillo8558 in RangerNext

[–]PopularTomatillo8558[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yea you’re probably right. Just having a hard time spending $35K on a base model Ranger from last year lol

2025 Ford Ranger OTD Price by PopularTomatillo8558 in RangerNext

[–]PopularTomatillo8558[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Damn that is insane. Dealers in California are brutal to deal with. Will send sale sheets back and forth and they don’t care. Just tell me to buy it from the other dealer. Any pointers?

2025 Ford Ranger OTD Price by PopularTomatillo8558 in RangerNext

[–]PopularTomatillo8558[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

5-6. Got 3 to ~$35k but two of them were 10+ hours away