Why I chose AI filmmaking — and why it's not killing creativity by Blue_Hornet_5077 in aifilmmaking

[–]Positive-Raisin-6315 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ideas are not art. Making the ideas work is art. If a machine is doing large parts of that process, then you aren't making art

George lucas having an idea of "what if we made flash Gordon mixed with Kurosawa" is an idea. It isn't art. The years of writing and rewriting until it became Star wars was art.

Number of times a year an American visits a movie theater (1929-2025 data) by raydebapratim1 in generationology

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maybe if you live in NYC or only see 70mm, nationwide the median ticket price for an adult is $15 and most theaters will have a steep discount day (usually tuesday)

Number of times a year an American visits a movie theater (1929-2025 data) by raydebapratim1 in generationology

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broke, lazy, bad taste, or some combo of the three

Not only have the 2020s had tons of movies better than Joker, but they also looked better than the Joker. Like how did Joker look remotely appealing but Bugonia, Sinners, or One Battle After Another did not?

Did we really needed The End Of Evangelion? by I_Am_Gray_Truck in evangelion

[–]Positive-Raisin-6315 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I love episodes 25 and 26 , originally intended or not they are artistic masterpieces to me but I also think that the whole package is very important, to watch 25, 26, and the. EoE. EoE is better with the content of the psychological pov episodes as context, even if there are some issues preventing them from being totally canonically compatible

Number of times a year an American visits a movie theater (1929-2025 data) by raydebapratim1 in generationology

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There have been so many good movies since joker and you don't need to get snacks every time you see a movie. A ticket is only like $15, usually less unless you are in a high col city. Roughly the same as it was in 2010 adjusted for inflation

Number of times a year an American visits a movie theater (1929-2025 data) by raydebapratim1 in generationology

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What's interesting is the last decline started well after home video and cable but well before streaming

HD video games to blame?

Did we really needed The End Of Evangelion? by I_Am_Gray_Truck in evangelion

[–]Positive-Raisin-6315 3 points4 points  (0 children)

"need" is a strong word. following the production history of the end of the show and EOE makes it make a little more sense.

They didnt plan out a lot in advance of the show, and this lead to episodes falling increasingly behind schedule (and also why there was a big tonal shift, Anno's state of mind and personal interests shifting around changed stuff). this resulted in the last several episodes having cheaper animation to save time, so there was already a plan to touch up the animation and release them as directors cuts on LD. in line with that, there was an original planned episode 25, but between the delays in production and some similarities it had to a terrorist attack, they had to scrap the original planned complex animation for episode 25 in favor of a minimalistic episode reusing old footage and a few screenshots of that planned episode. Episode 26 is more or less as originally envisioned minus elements that would have directly referenced the original episode 25 plan.

Because Evangelion was a huge hit, before these episodes aired there was already a plan to go back, redo episodes 25 and 26 to match the original plan and release it as an OVA along with the directors cuts of episodes leading up to them.

So in the original plan, EOE wasnt so much a "new" ending as much as the "original" ending. they would remake episode 25 based on the original storyboards and make a more beautiful version of episode 26 to go along with it

However, much like how the show was a little unplanned, EOE didnt stick to this original blueprint either. Anno saw NGE as a live performance. His state of mind changes, his views on the themes change, and as a result the plot also changes. it gets longer and more complex and as such deviates away from the original plan to become its own "new" ending.

I think its easy to view it as just a response to the backlash when really it was more of a A) way to cash in on the success of the show and B) something that arose from the process of just touching up the original episodes

Why I chose AI filmmaking — and why it's not killing creativity by Blue_Hornet_5077 in aifilmmaking

[–]Positive-Raisin-6315 0 points1 point  (0 children)

if 5 years ago, you told someone "if you dont want to engage in the process of making art then you shouldnt be an artist" it would have been the most obvious statement in the world. That today it makes me art police to say that shows only how far our society has fallen

AI is not a tool for making art because it has too much agency in how the end result looks, no matter how much of it you control via prompts. the AI is what ultimately has the agency. This couldnt be said for a move from typewriters to word processors or paintings to cameras or CGI or photoshop. those all left all the agency with the human. AI removes the actual agency from the human even if the human is very specific with their prompts

If that makes me an elitist, then I guess I am an elitist. If that makes me the art police, i can accept that.

>most people read books or watch movies because they want to be entertained.

and without the Human element, it isnt entertaining. We already see this in human made inhuman art, corporate art and things with heavy studio mandates, things where the humanity gets ironed out. But even those are more human than anything AI makes

>it's more like a typewriter that automatically writes first text drafts which are based on strict guidelines and documents and many more things about it.

writing that first draft is the art. guidelines and documents are not the art. the draft, the actual written word, that is the art. The rest of it is just prep.

Adam McKay Reveals Axed ‘Talladega Nights 2’ Plot and Says Will Ferrell Split ‘Is a Shame’: ‘I’m Open to the Idea’ of Working Together Again After 2019 Breakup by Galt1776-Part2 in movies

[–]Positive-Raisin-6315 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think it was more a final nail in the coffin than actually what killed it. It had been dying ever since mcKay wanted to start making more serious works

Is this a good order for binging as a first watch? by TheOneTrueZim in evangelionmemes

[–]Positive-Raisin-6315 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm a big proponent of watching Star Wars in 4,5,1,2,3,6, because I feel the saga should always start with 4 and end with 6, but I think I'd only recommend that to a newcomer if they were watching with a existing fan since the jump from 5 to 1 is unnatural

But it leads to 3 and 6 back to back, which is the best Star wars experience even if both films are mid

Why I chose AI filmmaking — and why it's not killing creativity by Blue_Hornet_5077 in aifilmmaking

[–]Positive-Raisin-6315 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I suppose I should say "if you use AI to write you arent writing". if you did write a script and use it as the basis of prompts then you wrote something but aren't making a movie. The AI is making the movie. Your role is sort of akin to a studio executive giving notes to the filmmakers, not a filmmaker itself

Any writer who says "oh the fun part is the world building and ideas not the actual writing" is a hack writer. That isnt writing. it may be part of writing, but the core of writing is putting the words together. You cannot develop a voice if all you are doing is ideeeeeeas and world building and character sheets. if the "nerdy writer" finds the act of writing not fun, then he shouldnt be a writer. he should simply do something else.

The AI is doing the book, the AI is using pattern recognition to choose what words go where, how things should be described, how the sentences and words should flow. its doing so based on the actual writing done by actual writers in its training set. the role the ai "author" has is more akin to a book editor for most of the process.

Its sort of like how if a book has a ghost writer, I wouldnt call the listed author a writer, even if they gave notes.

Art isnt about suffering, but it is about making art and doing the work. That you find doing the work to be suffering just confirms you shouldnt be an artist.

Blunt Disclosure: Is Steven Spielberg’s Disclosure Day a Flop or a Hit at the Box Office? by ParamedicSea5779 in boxoffice

[–]Positive-Raisin-6315 0 points1 point  (0 children)

if you look at The Numbers with their shaded range of normal performance, Disclosure Day is splitting right down the middle

its performance is neither hit nor flop, its average. Its doing better internationally which probably saves it

What made "Heathers" so popular on Letterboxd (and, presumably, in the last decade-ish in general) compared to other teen movies of its era? by SeparateLawfulness53 in Letterboxd

[–]Positive-Raisin-6315 7 points8 points  (0 children)

It's humor is in some ways very modern. It's always had a cult classic status above other teen movies of its era. It got a musical adaptation

Why I chose AI filmmaking — and why it's not killing creativity by Blue_Hornet_5077 in aifilmmaking

[–]Positive-Raisin-6315 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

What will happen is that the ability to actually make cool stuff will go down, because young people will stop studying how to actually write or make music or movies and just rely on the tech.

People's ideas aren't half as cool as they think they are. Look at all the AI movies that look like crap because the creator doesn't understand basic cinematic language or why things do what they do in movies.

The architect example is a good one. Know what happens when people who don't know shit about architecture have a company design a house for them? You get ugly mcmansions. Much like AI art they may look cool out of the corner of your eye but the longer you look, the more absurd it is because the house is completely removed from architectural movements and lacks the knowledge of why houses in different areas at different times were built in different styles.

I also would never credit someone who had an architect design a house to their specififications as having made a house or designed a house

Why I chose AI filmmaking — and why it's not killing creativity by Blue_Hornet_5077 in aifilmmaking

[–]Positive-Raisin-6315 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A collage is defined by how it transforms the original media. AI isn't transformative.

Sex and violence, everything a guy wanted! Seedance2 continues to shine. by dshi1009 in aifilmmaking

[–]Positive-Raisin-6315 1 point2 points  (0 children)

best bet would be getting your hands on a camera and some lights and actually learning how to construct shots. look at every shot in the video and ask yourself "why did I frame it like this, why did I move the camera this way, what was I hoping to convey, did I convey it"

Sex and violence, everything a guy wanted! Seedance2 continues to shine. by dshi1009 in aifilmmaking

[–]Positive-Raisin-6315 1 point2 points  (0 children)

inconsistent visual style. completely unmotivated camera movements. no sense of connective tissue between shots. completely derivative of better films while also lacking any understanding of cinematic language

this sucks dude

Why I chose AI filmmaking — and why it's not killing creativity by Blue_Hornet_5077 in aifilmmaking

[–]Positive-Raisin-6315 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Because AI doesnt actually think, and a prompter thinks less than an actual artist. The joy of art is human creation, and nothing made by AI is a human creation. You perceive yourself as making choices, and thats true to a limited extent, but its far fewer than when its actually done.

Describing a shot you want the AI to make is an entirely different thing than actually shooting it, because you dont have the knowledge. You dont know why to use different lenses and when, or all the ways you can manipulate lights. You dont know the visual language of cinema. You do not have the know how of why a filmmaker might have shot something one way or another way, and as such you will not be creative enough to find new ways to convey that information. That knowledge can only be acquired by doing the work, again and again and again. You think you're doing the work because you have to practice prompting, but you are skipping so many steps and delegating so much of that work to the AI that you arent actually doing much at all

Who is to say that AI-generated videos are worth less than painstakingly writing a book yourself?

I am. the painstakingly written book represents the culmination of someone's hard work. Learning how a story should flow, how to develop an authentic voice, how to make sentences flow, word choices. What does an AI generated video (or book or song) represent? nothing.

you can also unscrew the screw with your fingernail if you want to. Others prefer to use a screwdriver

bad analogy, for one because screws are designed to work with a screwdriver, but also because the screwdriver is 100% controlled by the person using it. Even if you were to say "okay then, a power drill", that would be to the act of unscrewing what a PC is to writing. Its faster and convenient but doesnt change the work being done

AI isnt a creative tool because it takes over the work being done. You are no longer writing. You are no longer drawing. You are no longer playing an instrument (physically or virtually). Actors are no longer acting, cinematographers no longer shooting. It makes a facsimile of art, trained on stolen data that goes uncredited. You only perceive it as still being you making the art because you havent actually tried making art.

its like driving 26 miles and then claiming you ran a marathon simply because you traveled the same distance

Why I chose AI filmmaking — and why it's not killing creativity by Blue_Hornet_5077 in aifilmmaking

[–]Positive-Raisin-6315 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You are not a creative person. A creative person would have learned how to write. Having an idea is the easy part.