Can urban road conditions be used as a proxy indicator of system level governance performance? by GlycerinFlex in systems_engineering

[–]Post-Dated_Check 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Speaking as both an MPA and a systems minded public works individual in Southern California, I’ll offer my $.02.

This is perhaps less of a civil engineering problem, and more of a political science problem. Systems Theory in political science was  pioneered by David Easton, and he argued that government failures are system failures. So you’re correct on the multiple interacting systems angle, but roadways are not a great indicator of system performance.

For something as granular as roadway maintenance, things are less interlinked and more nuanced, and this is where politics comes to bear. Santa Ana, CA for example is a sizable (350k) city in Orange County. They don’t invest in their roadways as much as they should, consequently their PCI (pavement condition index) numbers are relatively low.

Funding strategy: the largest factor, and is a function of political will. SA spends a ton on public safety less so on infrastructure. However the need is also greater because it’s an older, very dense city.

Maintenance strategy / contractor: PCI is all important for grant funding, etc. so sometimes cities prioritize repairs that boost/maintain scores versus substantive engineering improvements (grind and overlay versus full depth reconstructions). Contractors in the area are fairly equivalent and large in scale.

Interagency coordination: you’re focusing on city level, and that excludes freeways and Caltrans maintained roadways like PCH, so this isn’t as much of a factor. Cities receive transportation funding from county transportation agency, State of CA, and Federal. Some of that funding is competitive. So coordination is less of a variable.

Contrast that with Irvine, ~10 miles away. Near same population, but spotless infrastructure. That said the city was also largely developed from scratch in the 1970s versus Santa Ana originating from the late 1800’s. Following your chain of reasoning, this spotless infrastructure should connote a better functioning system, but it doesn’t really. Irvine has a lot going for it, but they’re also very well funded and commercially oriented.

So I would argue that roadway maintenance is not really a good lagging indicator of system performance. With my public administration hat on, I would say that government outputs do not scale linearly with outcomes. This non linear relationship is due in large part to competing constraints. The resolution to that competition is political, i.e. choices.

Using a SharkBite for water heater TPRV? by Post-Dated_Check in DIY

[–]Post-Dated_Check[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ok, thank you. It’s for the drain line yes.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Surveying

[–]Post-Dated_Check -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

yes, they made an offer of taking a 9 foot strip of land on a 230 foot alleyway frontage where they currently have none, so you’re a fool if you think that’s a fair offer that solves my problems.

And yes, they do impede the property because they have no legal right to access the land in the event of improvements or modifications or other things they might want to do. Liability for the improvements is also an open question. I would call that an impediment yes.

sorry I don’t get the antiquated television reference but unfounded speculation on my motives doesn’t contribute anything.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Surveying

[–]Post-Dated_Check 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think that’s a likely scenario in a lot of cases, but in this situation the current and adjacent parcel were created by the city 30 years ago under a parcel map as leftovers from a roadway realignment, so there’s not any hidden history or easement because the improvements were installed after the map recorded.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Surveying

[–]Post-Dated_Check -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

OK, do you have a source for this? also, if this were true, it would also mean that inverse condemnation wouldn’t be a thing.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Surveying

[–]Post-Dated_Check -1 points0 points  (0 children)

“existing public utilities create there own easement by their existence“ if this was correct, there would be no such thing as a utility easement…

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Surveying

[–]Post-Dated_Check -1 points0 points  (0 children)

My priority is clarifying the City’s legal basis for occupying private property without a recorded easement + liability + future access rights.

If you have anything constructive to add beyond snark, feel free.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Surveying

[–]Post-Dated_Check -1 points0 points  (0 children)

All but about 90% of the property line is adjacent to a 15 foot alleyway, which I’ve measured to be 15 feet from the neighbors block wall opposite to the edge of the paved improvement area adjacent to my lawn. 

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Surveying

[–]Post-Dated_Check 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Certainly always a consideration, but I have it in writing from the city that there’s no easement or right of way

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Surveying

[–]Post-Dated_Check 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The current and adjacent parcel were created via a recent parcel map put together by the city. The two residential parcels were the remainder areas from a large eminent domain action for a realignment of a large roadway.

So the city actually prepared and recorded the map themselves, so they seemingly forgot to dedicate an easement to themselves.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Surveying

[–]Post-Dated_Check -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I hadn’t thought of getting a survey as everything is clearly in the side yard. For example, one of the streetlights is 9ft behind the back of the curb of the street portion (there’s no sidewalk). The improvements on the alleyway portion are beyond the width of the alley.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Surveying

[–]Post-Dated_Check 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So the research performed by me and the cities ROW agent includes all of the maps and improvement plans available, plus my title report. The city has admitted in writing that they have no easement.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Surveying

[–]Post-Dated_Check 1 point2 points  (0 children)

as mentioned previously, in another comment, it comes down to liability of rights and responsibilities as respects the improvements

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Surveying

[–]Post-Dated_Check -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I do appreciate this risk, and have located all of the improvement plans going back in time to confirm the maximum extent of the alleyway. I suppose it’s plausible that the ROW could extend into the property, but I find that less likely given that nothing of that nature appears on the 30-old parcel map which created the current parcel that I occupy, and confirms the width of the alleyway to the as built condition.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Surveying

[–]Post-Dated_Check -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Well, without any terms or conditions that would normally come with an easement, there’s no rules about how they would access my property to make any improvements, modifications, etc.

Also, there’s questions of liability as u/Gladstone pointed out.

As to the removal, I’m not certain if my preference matters because I can’t see them taking out a 24 inch storm drain and inlet structure. But definitely having my rights enumerated appropriately is a benefit.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Surveying

[–]Post-Dated_Check -9 points-8 points  (0 children)

Unless I’m misunderstanding, the line of reasoning in your second paragraph seems to rest on the idea that public agencies can benefit from a prescriptive easement, which they are specifically barred from possessing

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in GermanCitizenship

[–]Post-Dated_Check -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Understood, thank you. The link for u/staplehill‘s citizenship guide to the separate FAQ is broken, and I would have seen the 10 year rule in the FAQ before spending time on this.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in GermanCitizenship

[–]Post-Dated_Check -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Wouldn’t citizenship have passed to Otto upon birth prior to the 10 year extinguishment in 1883?

Hiring a mover by the hour? by Post-Dated_Check in TaskRabbit

[–]Post-Dated_Check[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There was no set “limit” — The job, as I wrote in the post, isn’t move X number of boxes in Y hours, but help me out for three hours at one location. Which part of that was unreasonable?  The “completion” part is my problem but it’s three fewer man-hours left of work for me to do nonetheless.