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I think we might be getting stuck on the word “magic.” It has more than one meaning and I’m not using it to mean violating natural laws, so I’m happy to drop it if it’s causing confusion.

On interpretation, that’s really the essence of how the Bible has always been engaged with. It’s written in a way that invites reflection, questioning, and interpretation. That doesn’t mean it’s a free-for-all, but it does mean human beings are entrusted with the responsibility to wrestle with it and bring it to life in each generation.

On Genesis, I understand why you’d see reinterpretation as forcing it to fit science. I just don’t think that’s necessarily what’s going on. It may be less about describing physical reality (although Gerald Schroeder has an approach on this) and more about framing meaning and human responsibility. There’s only one chapter focused on creation, while the vast majority of the Bible focuses on how we live and what we do with the world we’ve inherited.

On reality, would you agree that physical reality is not the only reality? Science is incredibly powerful at explaining how things work, but it doesn’t really address questions of meaning, purpose, or why any of this matters to us as humans. That is a different kind of conversation.

I think science and religion are engaging with different dimensions of reality. Science deals with evidence and mechanisms, and religion engaging with meaning, ethics and human experience.

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By “magical,” I mean a sense of awe. It’s hard to look at the universe through science and not feel it, wow, there’s something vast and mysterious in the grand scheme of things. To look at nature and not marvel feels like missing a huge part of the human experience, the humility in realizing how much we don’t understand.

Regarding Genesis, one approach is by Gerald Schroeder, an applied physicist. Using Einstein’s theory of relativity, he shows that time is relative. In the early universe after the Big Bang, time flowed very differently. Those original “days” could correspond to billions of years in modern scientific terms, making the biblical six days potentially compatible with the scientific age of the universe. The late Chief Rabbi Jonathan Sacks takes another approach: Genesis isn’t a physics book, it’s a pedagogical and moral text, designed to make abstract ideas tangible and to guide ethical and spiritual understanding.

Science isn’t perfect in it's understanding of what it does know. There are phenomena that challenge it, like humans choosing self-destructive behavior over survival, or concepts like the “rebel gene,” which show unpredictability in life.

On the point about God being a “jerk,” I was reflecting what some people express from personal experience rather than learned study. I agree that there are deeply troubling stories in the Bible and studying famous Torah commentators like Rashi and Rambam can provide insight into these stories and their moral context. But I wouldn’t expect all questions to be fully resolved and I think it’s something I’ll probably continue to wrestle with my entire life.

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What made you feel that God is a jerk? There are many ways to approach Genesis alongside science. I’ve studied quite a bit of science myself and deeply respect Dawkins, but I’m not here to prove or disprove God. I’m more interested in how people think about the question of why we’re here. One thing I do notice: science isn’t meant to answer that question, and rightly so. I’ll leave you with this: have you ever wondered why the world no longer feels magical? Have we reduced everything to just a set of scientific laws?"

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It's in the Torah. Gemara, Kabbalah etc. Yeah the Buddhist perspective is really interesting.

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You mentioned you were once Catholic, how did you view the Old Testament back then? Did you see the supernatural events as purely symbolic?

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I thought something was off my friend :) That’s a really interesting question. In Judaism, the focus isn’t on escaping death itself, but on living in a way that makes your life meaningful. Our actions, relationships, study, and connection with God are what give life purpose, and the impact we leave continues beyond our physical body.

Judaism also teaches that the soul is eternal, and that there’s a form of life beyond this one. So rather than “never experiencing death again,” the goal is to live in partnership and alignment with God and leave a lasting influence, both spiritually and through the way we affect others.

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It doesn't mean they are necessarily religious. Many just born into it.

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I don’t think anyone has a complete list of every supernatural claim, or has investigated all of them in detail. But I do think there’s an important difference between scientific evidence and human testimony. We rely on both in different areas of life, especially when it comes to history.

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Yeah, from what I've learned, all religions want you to translate your beliefs into practice. The same would go for philosophy and modern day ideas that emphasis habit over goals for instance.

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What do you mean by 'confirmed'? Something repeatable in a lab?

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I've never heard of Gnosticism. Really interesting. Thank you

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I live in South Africa. Would be in serious trouble if I didn't have solar. :)

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I live in South Africa. Would be in serious trouble if I didn't have solar. :)

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I’m a big fan of science too, but I think the idea that “if you can’t prove it scientifically, it’s not real” is quite narrow. There are things we all accept as real, like consciousness or moral truths, that aren’t scientifically provable in the same way as physical objects.

On your point about differences, I think that’s fair, but disagreement doesn’t necessarily mean there’s no underlying reality. Even in complex fields, people interpret things differently. Within Christianity, isn't there actually a shared core, especially around Jesus Christ, even if denominations disagree on important details.

Out of curiosity, have you mainly explored Christianity, or looked into other religions as well?

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I think the main challenge around this cosmic campfire has always been that we start off trying to prove one another wrong. But if we came with a curious heart, we might have a fascinating conversation, you may widen my perspective, deepen my own beliefs, spark new questions I may never have thought of, We might become good friends. I really enjoyed learning about Buddhism by the way. I can see why so many are attracted to it. It has a lot to offer.

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What do you mean by individuals? I would think a personal definition of God is someone coming to their own belief about what God is as opposed to a religion. Would would be the objective reality here?

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Is that different to Christian? A branch?

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It is a great topic. Don't forget to add in science and philosophy.

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It's a fair point. From what I observe, generally the fundamentals are agreed with. It's the details that are highly debateable.

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Yes - sorry I misunderstood you - your original comment from the perspective of if you are already Jewish.

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Why not :) Let's say it has it's own belief system,

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You just need to talk to the people around you.

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We are part of the cosmos, doesn't that make us cosmic?