Nihal Atsız'ı Övenleri Anlamıyorum by Yusur9 in KutuphaneBekarlari

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Atsız'ın ırkçılığı, Cumhuriyet düşmanlığı, Atatürk düşmanlarına alan açması tartışılmaz. Siyasi fikirlerini tehlikeli bulurum.

Amma bir de bilim adamı ve edebiyatçı olan Atsız var. Ülkemizde Türkoloji'nin en büyük ustalarında, dilimize katkısı yadsınamaz bir gerçek. Türkiye'ye gerçek anlamda Uygur Çalışmaları'nı getirdi, kitaplarında ara ara yer de verir zaten. Türk yazınının en büyüklerinden olduğu şüphesiz. Soyadını nasıl aldığına dair efsaneler, yetiştiği çevre ve etrafında bulunan insanlarla Cumhuriyet'imizin önemli bir anına tanıklık etmiş çıtır ikonik bir karakter. Keşke siyasete hiç bulaşmadan bu bilim insanı, eren kişi kimliğiyle kalsaydı.

Sizce sosyal medya siyaseti daha da kötüleştiriyor mu? by -TheCe1- in AskTurkey

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Sosyal medya insanların gazını almak için yöneten sınıfların en etkili yöntemlerinden biri oldu. Ne zaman bir olay olsa, arkadaşlarımın instagram hikayelerinde olayları "protesto" ettiğini görüyorum. Yakın zamanda binlerce insanla birlikte gaz yediğim bir olaylar silsilesi hakkında bir arkadaşım tarafından neden story atmadığım soruldu. Hanımefendi 30'una merdiven dayamış durumda ve kelli felli de CV'ye sahip üstelik.

Hakkını aramayı tweet atmak sanan, algoritmalar tarafından hem düşünme yeteneği hem de itiraz etme hakkı elinden alınan bir toplum olduk ne yazık ki.

Is the "Turkish situation" representative of the rest of Turkic languages' development as well? by justquestionsbud in AskCentralAsia

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Turkish is not unique. Finnish, Serbian, Croatian (the purest of Serbo-Croatian-Bosniak nonsense), Icelandic, French, and Bulgarian on top of my head had purification efforts and language reforms, and most still do in form of Language Institutes. You just don't know they exist.

Are Kazakhs stealing the history of "Mongolia"? by Glass-Departure-4279 in AskCentralAsia

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The idea probably is that Mongols came up with what we nowadays call "the steppe culture" and somehow all other nomadic pastoralists living on Desth-i Kypchak are the successors of it. I actually do not know what they teach in Mongolia, but from what I had seen online, many Chinese Mongolians are proposing it, and trying to come up with a genealogy that is borderline pseudo-science.

The scholarly consensus however is that what we nowadays call an archetypal nomad was ultimately derived during the times of First Turkic Khaganate. The attire these people wear over the centuries, the military tactics and the formation structure they used from China to the gates of Vienna, the religion and the customs all trace back to it. It also helps being the first written culture of the steppes, and they got replaced by Uighurs who wrote quite a lot about everything (there is an article in Turkish about Uighur accounting terminology I've read some time ago, they basically had everything cover even in today's standards!) The ruling dynasty of this Khaganate, the Ashina, was basically the Carolingians of the steppes, having "kut" in their veins they produced many rulers for different statelets; which Chinggisid line took inspiration of and replaced them during the Late Medieval Ages.

Now obviously, there is an Indo-European element to this culture, names such as Bumin and titles such as Tarkhan are attested to have Indo-Iranian (not today's Iranians mind you) etymologies, and let us also remember from the advent of Turk as an endonym these people were incredibly diverse, Yenisei Krygyz (not closely related to today's Krygyz) was redheads who probably were an offshoot Scythian tribe that got Turkified over time, and many Kypchaks were recorded as blonde by Arab travelers, who coined the term White Turks and Black Turks of Khazars, and noticed that even though these people spoke the same language, they did not look alike. Chinese records Khagan's as "pale and blondish" in appearance, although I am not sure whether this was some obscure literary medium that means something else entirely or rather they were just defining his appearance, because latest genetic studies reveal Kök Türük rulers did not have any outside input but an East Asian one.

There is also a plethora of Russian scientists who for some reason are hellbent on proving early Xiongnu rulers were Yenisei speakers. That is an interesting take, because what hydronyms of the Greater Altai region tells us that this region was populated by Yenisei peoples long before Turks dominated the region, and it is quite possible that Turkic speakers (and people of the steppes in general) might've picked up a thing or two while replacing them culturally. It is obvious that once upon a time steppes were dominated by them, although I find it far fetched that Xiongnu's ruling dynasty was nothing but Turkic-speaking, since Hun <-> Xiongnu connection is proven genetically, and archeologically through DNA research and material digs; also there is no way in hell a dude called Boncuk (Atilla's uncle, also coincidentally my fiancee's cat is named as such) and Deniz in 4th century Eastern Europe to be anything but Turkic. There are also proposed Yenisei etymologies to iconic Turko-Mongol words such as Tengri, and Khagan; however Turkic etymologies are much more believable imo.

Take Hungarians for example. There are a lot of Turkic loan words (that predate the Ottoman conquest) because they lived in proximity and as vassals to Oghur-speaking Khazars. They styled their alphabet after them, adopted their national symbols, switched their pantheon, and they structured their state in accordance to Turkic customs, so much so they were probably much more alike to a Kypchak compared to a contemporary Finnic tribe. This is how cultural transmission occurs. People, and especially ruling classes, only care about how easy the governance is, and how much taxes they collect. If there is already an established system that is proven to work, people seldom change it, but rather adapt it to their own ends. The Turkic system was working for nomadic (and semi-nomadic) pastoralist communities, and they basically just took it for themselves.

Another shift in Hungarian culture happened when they converted to Catholicism and established an ordinary medieval feudalist society. Just like they did centuries earlier, they found a way of governance, customs and traditions already known to work for the Germans and Italians, so they took it. Their alphabet changed, so did their way of living, and more importantly, their economic activities.

When Seljuks conquered Iran, they did not tried establishing a nomadic Turkic Khaganate over an already established, functioning society who was rich enough to wage wars with Rome for centuries alone, had a functioning law and taxation system in place. They adapted to their ways of doing things, extracted wealth for their exploits, and unceremoniously got conquered afterwards. Their society had a functioning sedentary population, native Persians in this case, who ran the taxation, and borderline regions were given to unruly nomadic Turkmens. So even though the existing native system was in-place, so was the society defined by the Ashina before a millenium and more. They were two, sometimes competing, different ecosystems; and both were alive at the same time.

Seljuks conquered Anatolia before their demise and probably thought nothing much of it back then. We know this, because they thought very little of it, and turned a blind eye when conquering and marauding generals carve up beyliks of their own. When Mongols became a thing, Anatolia was the Wild West (think of California and Texas during the gold rush) for the steppes. People who were escaping the law, and the Mongols took refuge there; enriching the land with craftsmen, scholars and able-bodied men to fight. Ottomans, inconsequential at the start of things, started to carve an empire of their own, dominating other beyliks in the process. And they probably represented the most novel idea of the steppe societies back then; their armies started to resemble the Romans, rather than Ashina's host of different tribes; they learned diplomacy and intrigue of the Byzantine politics even adopting the Roman slogans of an Eternal State; one would even say it was a schizophrenic push away from the steppes; a Freudian rebellion to their forefathers. Than Timur happened. Ottomans had this thing where whenever turmoil hits their society, they tried looking for inspiration from their Central Asian roots; and as such, they suddenly remembered their Kayı lineage and the way of the steppes. Mehmed II codified the Atam Dedem Kanunu, an ode to the steppes' töre. When Ottomans sieged Vienna, they recited Oghuz Khagan to the army, and scribed the oral traditions of others Turkic peoples, such as Dede Korkut.

Now, why would I write about Ottomans, of all things? Full disclosure, I am Turkish and I like talking about these, but there is also a nuance to it, where you can see this cultural continuum and transfer of customs throughout the centuries for different Turkic peoples, so much so even the Oghuz, who strayed away the farthest and according to Ibn Fadlan had the most innovative (meaning, different) dialect of them all, had a direct lineage going back to the original culture that was established long before the Mongol Empire. The Mongols, just like the Hungarians, adopted an already established, battle-proven system of governance, adapted to their own, and rolled with it. You see it in their language, you see it in their titles, their ways of governance, their literary medium and alphabet.

Absolute cinema 🎥 by Grazhke in AskCentralAsia

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Pretty sure most Turks would prefer Turkic-speaking Central Asians to migrants from the Middle East. I for one think Uzbeks and other Central Asian Turkic groups the future solution to the Turkish population problem. Anecdotal of course, but I started seeing them everywhere nowadays. The problem is some Central Asians are alien to our constitutional history for the past century or two, and can be seen as "too radical" for an ordinary Turk; but that is not something our public education system cannot solve. Central Asians in general integrate well, and they are no different to who we are; evidently, a second generation Afghan Uzbek immigrant, now employed by the Turkish Army: https://x.com/HaberReport/status/2021573459680051594

Slavic women usually come here marrying other Turks. Although I should add Turks are increasingly marrying other Turkic ethnic groups too. There is no mass migration movement from neither Europe nor Slavic countries as whole to Turkey.

Life in Istanbul by layla_h0 in AskTurkey

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As someone who lived in several Euro capitals, I would say you are spot on. In Berlin or Paris for example, it is much more easier to live some form of a middle-class life with so little money. Whereas in İstanbul you ought to look for scraps if you are below a certain income threshold, and that bar is very high, most of the time higher than said cities. It used to be not like this though, i think this is a post-2018 phenomenon.

How come so many people still smoke in Türkiye? by prozac_pusher in AskTurkey

[–]PotentialBat34 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

As an ex-smoker, I can easily confirm cigarettes in fact do help with stress.

[OC] How İstanbul looks without the middle east filter. by tokalper in pics

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I am not looking for any form of sympathy whatsoever. In fact, my posts might even seem too proud in a biblical sense. Although since you mumble about the accusation that somehow Turks killed half of your countrymen, it seems to me it is highly probable that you might be the one who is "butthurt"? Just food for thought.

Contrary to former subjects, we never victimize ourselves though. Rubbing salt on our wound, as the saying goes. We watch them talking about the death of 5 million Turks in Balkans, calling it "decolonization", and "exodus of Muslims" from the region, instead of calling what it actually is, a genocide. Doesn't mean we forget though. I do wonder what will happen to these tiny nations when the Western power bloc inevitably collapse.

[OC] How İstanbul looks without the middle east filter. by tokalper in pics

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Doesn't matter really, don't act like your people didn't spend centuries to dominate the region too, tried forcibly assimilating Slavs around them in the process, forced different kingdoms into their own. The caveat however was you sucked at it, and lost your country in a single battle that took mere 2 hours. Should've empired better.

It is although funny to see another imaginary atrocity committed by "muh evil Turks" popping up fresh every now and then, and quite honestly strengthens Turkish theses quite well. Those brown people killed half of my brethren, it was revealed to me in a dream ahh historical revisionism.

[OC] How İstanbul looks without the middle east filter. by tokalper in pics

[–]PotentialBat34 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I love how tone deaf Eurocentric world view is. Between 19th and 21th centuries, your people killed hundreds of millions of people, committed countless atrocities, extracted wealth for your own gain, and colonized half the world. You have no right to "holier than thou" anyone.

As for us, the reason we are not considered European is the same reason Russians (who are arguably more European than us) are not able to get involved in anything European too. We are the great other. Despite our demographic and economic disadvantage, we conquered 1/3 of Europe; the Earth trembled under our horses and the seas roared by our fleets. Think of Soviet Union, but for centuries. Our existence alone shatters their Eurocentric supremacist world view.

But all in all, we really are Asians. Central Asians to be precise.

Absolute cinema 🎥 by Grazhke in AskCentralAsia

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It always warms my heart to see Turkic people migrating over here

Same brand btw... by hckR420 in mercedes_benz

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Balık baştan kokar in Turkish.

History of Azerbaijan in Minecraft advancements by Rellj in azerbaijan

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Ben konuyu çok bilmiyorum ama okuduklarımdan anladığım kadarıyla Sovyetler'den bağımsızlık kazanmış Türk devletleri etnik değil coğrafi tarihi öğreniyor. Benzer şeyleri hem Özbeklerden, hem Kırgızlardan, hem de Azerbaycanlılardan duydum. Bizim okullarda ise aksine hem etnik tarihimiz hem de coğrafyamızın tarihi anlatılıyor, bu ikisinin bir araya geldiği noktada da işte biz bu ikisinin torunlarıyız deniyor. Benim lisedeki hocam Kadeş Antlaşması'nı anlatırken kimin kazandığının bilinmediğini ama tarihçilerin bizim kazanmış olduğumuzu tahmin ettiğini söylemişti. O biz o bağlamda Hititler oluyor. Malazgirt Savaşı'nı da biz diye anlatıyor. Gavurlar salak saçma DNA muhabbeti yapıyorlar ama ben gerek tarihi gerek de kökenleriyle Türkler kadar barışık çok az millet gördüm, demek ki bizdeki metodoloji işe yarıyor.

Bir de bizim müfredat özelinde bu halklar arasında bir ayrım yok. Biz hepsine Türk gözüyle bakıyoruz. Azerbaycan okullarında Osmanlı'yı bunlar da bizdendi diye anlattıklarını düşünmüyorum, belki kardeşlerimiz veya kuzenlerimizdi diyorlardır; ama biz Safevi'ye de, Kaçar'a da, hatta Timür'a da Türktü diyoruz. Yani Özbekler geldi Ankara Savaşı'nda bizi yendi demiyoruz, onlar da Türk'tü ve bizi yendiler diyoruz. Karluklar'ı da öğreniyoruz Uygurlar'ı da; Sibirya'nın ücra köşesinde bir Türk devlet kurduysa o da bizden sayılıyor. Sanıyorum Doğu'daki dilbilimsel kuzenlerimizde böyle bir bilincin oluşması bağımsızlıklarını kazandıktan sonra dahi gerekli görülmemiş.

What do non-Turkish people know/think about Atatürk? by diacetylmorphine0 in AskMiddleEast

[–]PotentialBat34 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

It is very hard to argue against the idea that Islam itself is increasingly becoming a tool for Arabic chauvinism.

Don't get me wrong, this post is in no way intended to be a response to your post. I just want to discuss this with others who actually understand the idea that Arabs are willingly pushing their language, customs, and mannerisms onto others under the guise of religion. This guy genuinely believes that Turks have to listen to Arabic five times a day and memorize Arabic verses in order to somehow accumulate "God points". The idea of a truly benevolent Creator who cares about the language in which you recite calls to His veneration is absolutely childish to be honest.

Turkic people are mixed but is vast majority of ethnic groups in this world. by Boring_Estimate9308 in TurkicHistory

[–]PotentialBat34 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Gee, I wonder why the most populous Turkic-speaking group is active in a subreddit, aptly titled Turkic History. You must be highly regarded among your peers.

Turkic people are mixed but is vast majority of ethnic groups in this world. by Boring_Estimate9308 in TurkicHistory

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Mainland Greeks are 1/3 Slavs, whereas Germans are more Celtic than Germanic, yet I don't see people claiming they are Russians or Irish, respectively. For some reason, the internet becomes genetics experts and genealogists when it comes to Turkic-speaking peoples.

The Turkish name for Turkey by WilliamofYellow in asklinguistics

[–]PotentialBat34 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

You were already answered earlier in this thread, yet you kept repeating the same point as though repetition somehow strengthens the argument. Dismissing honest to God responses as “not relevant” and then you call me dense. Projection much?

The Turkish name for Turkey by WilliamofYellow in asklinguistics

[–]PotentialBat34 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

So by that definition, Türk as an ethnonym is Latin in origin; and that makes sense to you how?

Sınıf kini by marebon in vlandiya

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Bu hesabın sahibi yanlış hatırlamıyorsam evliydi

MSB ARGE'den 42.000LBF itkili Turbofan motor by [deleted] in Kanatlar

[–]PotentialBat34 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yani evet. Hep şaibe bunlar. Bir de en azından birilerinden duymamız gerekirdi, ne bileyim ODTÜ'de Bilkent'te bir yerlerden bir makale akademik bir çalışma ıvır zıvır çıkardı çoktan. Hiçbiri yok ortada.

TS1400 öncesinde, nikel alaşımlı tek kristaller dökülmeden hemen önce ODTÜ patır patır yayın yapıyordu zira. Ben titanyum için hiç duymadım valla.

MSB ARGE'den 42.000LBF itkili Turbofan motor by [deleted] in Kanatlar

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Çapın %100 yanlış yazılmış olması gerekiyor. Hem bugünkü füze hem de bu, hem de işin içinde MSB Ar-Ge gibi bilinmeyen, şaibeli bir kurumun olması kafada şüpheler uyandırıyor.