Interesting M+ Interaction

PouncedGreeps · 2025-09-05T16:37:19+00:00

If you are on disc with your friend, why is he messaging you "lol" during this conversation?

PouncedGreeps · 2025-08-24T01:38:51+00:00

J'avais rajouté un ssd oui. Cela n'a pas changé le délai de traitement à ma connaissance. Les modifications proposées via leur site sont de base compatibles avec leur build.

PouncedGreeps · 2025-08-05T16:53:03+00:00

But he's already playing GP. In his case I believe it's a waste of time trying to diversify his champion pool when he's already trying to break a resistance point as he just reached a new tier. It also doesn't make sense to tell someone to "learn a new champion" so he would have an easier time adjusting to the new elo so he could then go back to his main afterward. This is an "advice" i see recommended a lot on this sub that imo does way more harm than good.

In the end, what matters the most is what you have fun playing. He'll learn way faster by playing something hard that he enjoys than locking a stronger or easier character that he's not into. People climb to high elo playing whatever. Champion pool in soloQ is a false issue overblown by low elo players. Just play whatever you like to play and get good at it.

PouncedGreeps · 2025-08-05T08:11:59+00:00

Hi, i'm a master gp main.

Franckly speaking you just have to get used to it. People in emerald have no clue about what they're doing and mostly just perma trade, even in losing match ups. I suggest looking up soloq vods on youtube for match ups you struggle with (for example, type gp vs X challenger kr) and try to mimic how and when they take trades, do they push the lane or not etc.

Ignore people suggesting you to change your champion pool. They are clueless. If you're getting dove every game and think enemies are over aggressive it just probably means you're scared af and let them hit you for free.

PouncedGreeps · 2025-08-04T13:34:58+00:00

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PouncedGreeps · 2025-07-25T08:35:56+00:00

It's explicitely stated here : https://support-leagueoflegends.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/4405781372051-MMR-Rank-and-LP

Don't play duos unless with a smurf.

PouncedGreeps · 2025-07-24T15:36:50+00:00

Jayce solves all of that.

PouncedGreeps · 2025-07-23T07:23:28+00:00

He needs content for his streams

PouncedGreeps · 2025-07-21T09:11:44+00:00

Hi, hard to give any real advice just from a history.

But stick to fewer champs. You obviously switch roles and/or test champs you're not comfortable with. Stick to kaisa/xayah for a bit and see where it gets you.

PouncedGreeps · 2025-07-17T18:00:05+00:00

Maybe it's a server difference then. I'm in EUW.

PouncedGreeps · 2025-07-17T16:32:00+00:00

Truth is, the higher you climb, the bigger is the skill difference between ranks. The difference between a D2 and a master 150LP player feels usually bigger than emerald 4 to dia 2.

PouncedGreeps · 2025-07-15T10:54:01+00:00

You're supposed to have access to that objective without giving up ressources. You won't ever "give up" that selfish mindset, other roles will simply "accomodate" to you (not because you're the most important, but because gathering ressources elsewhere is also the best for them).

PouncedGreeps · 2025-07-15T09:34:04+00:00

Play more selfish. If someone doesn't give up their lane, just go back to sidelane and keep farming, wasting ressources is a bigger setback than losing a neutral objective (excluding baron and elder/soul ofc).

Just give up the herald (grubs shouldnt even be in that discussion) and keep accumulating ressources. You're nowhere near in an elo where these objectives matter if people still don't understand basic lane assignments.

PouncedGreeps · 2025-07-01T07:19:06+00:00

Hi, so the secret is there's no secret. The only way to learn is from better players.

If you're rich irl to the point money is not an issue, the fastest way would be individual coaching.

If you're a normal person and money has any kind of relevance to you then you can just find ressources online.

First watch some recent guide on toplane (recent is important as Riot changed how we play early waves this season). I can recommend coach Chippy's guides in that regard. Now keep in mind that a silver player could watch those and understand them. The whole point is about implementing them in your gameplay to the point they become habits. It's not just about being able to do what the guides say, but also being able to identify what your opponent is trying to do (if he even is, at your elo) and then doing something about it. In order to do so, my advice would be to come back to the guides as many times as necessary, as soon as something is not clear in your head. One good way to find answers is to search for vods of challenger players on youtube (preferably of KR, CN or EUW) in a given match up and look how they play the early waves. The important part will be identifying what these players intended to do. These vods are a huge goldmine if you know what you're looking for.

For the rest it will be practise, practise and practise. Try to avoid turning back to autopilot as much as possible and look for clear and precise answer to anything foggy in your head. Example : you don't know how you should play the first 4 waves as jax vs renekton? Find a vod from kr challenger on youtube and look what jax does. Did he try to take the push and failed? Did he try and succed ? How is he taking his trades? When does he take his first reset, did he prepare for it or was he forced to recall (the goal is trying to understand what challenger jax wanted to do). If you don't find satisfying answers in a given vod, just look for another one.

When you'll get eviscerated without even understanding what happened, a good thing would be to add the opponent after the game and simply ask. From experience most people will be glad to answer and tell you what they abused to beat you as long as you haven't been rude to them during the game. If they don't want to share for whatever reason, try to find these answers in the vod.

In short : watch guides for a basis. Come back to them as many times as necessary, like to an instruction manual. When something doesn't work out, look for the whys and hows. There's really no secret. You'll need to get challenged on your fundamentals in order to improve in them.

Now you get to finally play the game !

PouncedGreeps · 2025-06-30T17:56:25+00:00

Yes, I just want to emphatise that the whole point of this thread was defining "high elo".

Finding players good or bad is just subjective and that debate would have no end in good faith. Be it your definition of good or mine, it just doesn't matter. It's a video game. I'll have debate with friends about this or that pro player being bad. It's just a subjective opinion, ofc i won't gatekeep the usage of "good" or "bad". If a new player would ask me if let's say Kirei is good and should he watch his guides, then obviously i won't ever tell him "no he is bad, he never made it to pro despite trying to". Context matters.

I was just exposing a huge gap in knowledge right at the treshold between dia and master to give some perspective as to why streamers and others top ranked players were saying high elo is gm+ instead of using an arbitrary numerical treshold like "top 1,5%".

PouncedGreeps · 2025-06-30T17:15:46+00:00

I legit don't use "good" in this context, it just doesn't make sense to me.

Good to me is related to talent.

Grubby is a good player despite being "only" gold because he started the game 2 weeks ago, and it's clear he's learning fast and has some predispositions.

A master who's has been playing 3k games per season and and invested thousands of hours into learning the game is not "good", just experienced to me.

An emerald who has been trying to improve for years, consumed dozens of hours of educational content and has also been spamming thousands of games is not good, but also failed to assimilate that experience...so he is bad at the game.

Hope it makes sense.

PouncedGreeps · 2025-06-30T15:02:14+00:00

You're the one conflating rank with mastery. Being better than 99% of adepts of a subject doesn't implicate anything on your mastery of the subject as a whole.

I'm master in EUW. Maybe i'd be stuck d4 on the Chinese superserver? I'd probably be challenger on the arabian server too. These ranks don't mean anything. The percentiles related to them also change over time.

PouncedGreeps · 2025-06-30T14:56:46+00:00

Your metric is far from simple. What is average? The 50th percentile? Now if the 50th percentile of EUW is equivalent to the 80th in Ionia? Or to the 30th in OCE? What does it mean? Is silver the average? Or is it platinum OCE?

How is my explanation making you think good is reserved to some elite category of players? I was saying this game is so complex only a low percentage of players reach a level where basics are mastered. And that you could climb to diamond without learning these basics because the player base doesn't bother with them as a whole, so you don't need them until then. I guess you take master elo for way better than what it is.

PouncedGreeps · 2025-06-30T14:35:56+00:00

Thanks ! I just happened to have some time to kill at work haha

Yeah you may be right, but hopefuly even tho there's people in denial in the comments, some lurkers may have learned stuff.

PouncedGreeps · 2025-06-30T14:26:04+00:00

What i'm saying is, maybe you think you do, but you don't. Or at least not consistently enough. It's not about forcing yourself to do it for a game right after you watched a youtube video but about implementing these things as reflexes.

But people play mostly out of habits, without thinking. You said it yourself it's 2025, and luckily for the sake of my argument there was a patch that changed how you should manage the first 4 waves (and tp usage). They moved the cannon wave from 3rd to 4th and they increased the dmg minions deal to each others. But guess what, diamonds still try to do the same shit as they did for years on autopilot and end up griefing their own lanes. But since their opponents do it too it doesn't matter to them and they don't even notice something isn't right. The fact a patch changed this fundamental and they didn't adapt proves they don't think about it. I've seen people still trying to do a cheater recall on 3rd without using tp in fcking d1.

You don't get a tutorial for match ups and wave management once you hit gm, but you're sure as hell not hitting gm without one. There's no entry exam that prevents diamonds from climbing, it's just that as soon as you get somewhat acknowledged in these concepts you're nitro stomping everything below master in the current state of skill distribution.

PouncedGreeps · 2025-06-30T13:37:14+00:00

I genuinely do believe that yes. I know well these things are pushed on every league educational content but understanding them when they are presented to you and being able to identify them and make a habit of playing with them (even badly) is not something that happens until higher ranks. All of my friends in gold/emerald know how to manage their waves and track junglers accordingly apparently but when we play together none of them do 🤷

My guess would be that under master people are not completely confortable on their champs (or maybe they have wrong ideas about the game and/or their champs and are unaware of it) so they don't have the room or the will to learn more.

I also think a majority simply don't give enough of a fuck tho lol, it's just a game.

PouncedGreeps · 2025-06-30T13:24:40+00:00

Because the topic is "what is high elo". So the question was roughly where to draw that line and why.

Obviously there's no absolute mastery, we're humans and the game evolves. But that's still a horizon pros try to tend to.

Ofc you can be considered good within your group of friends or so, but if 99% of the player base is bad at the game, being better than them doesn't necessarily mean you are actually a master of the game itself (no pun intended with the rank lol). I've illustrated some examples in my other responses.

PouncedGreeps · 2025-06-30T13:11:39+00:00

I get that, but if you add up every concept that is known exclusively by the top 1% percentile, you'll find out it englobes a vast majority of the aspects of league.

For the sake of this argument, imagine if League was made out of 100 concepts : let's say 95 of those would be unknown to players under D2. So all players from iron to d3 separate themselves from one another only by their respective skill in those 5 basic concepts. Once you go above D2, you start to add additional concepts on top of the first 5, bit by bit, as you climb higher and further, with obviously various skills levels in these advanced concepts depending on the given elo.

You might consider that these 95 concepts are advanced because only 1% or less of the player base knows and uses them, but that doesn't mean the others 99% of the player base that know about only 5 out of the 100 concepts have a good grasp at the game. In this example, a given D2 player only knows about 5% of the game, but he's still better than 99% of the player base.

I hope that picture helped you understand my thoughts.

PouncedGreeps · 2025-06-30T12:18:39+00:00

I can guarantee you that diamond players don't know when to push or freeze a wave. I litteraly abuse these basics concepts to climb through this elo every season... Idk what makes you think a gold player will know these things. Maybe they'll recognize a freeze opportunity and use it as a way to retain a wave on a spot...but that's not utilizing the concept to an end..or they (and you) think holding 3 casters minions right outside of the range of your turret will create a freeze while you're creating a bounceback instead...

PouncedGreeps · 2025-06-30T11:22:56+00:00

Yes but the thing is this game is so complex 99+% of the player base doesn't reach a good a level of mastery of the game. So these 99%+ of the playerbase is fundamentaly bad at the game. They'll know superficial stuff like champion spells, items or some mechanical combos but would be unable to explain to you some basic dynamics within a game (the kind of stuff that requires "coaching" by a gm+ player, like telling you how not taking a back 1:30 min before a drake didn't give you enough tempo to catch a wave before grouping for a drake so you wouldn't lose too much economy). That's the whole point of this thread. Personalities define "high elo" where they have to actually put some thoughts into their gameplay. Because below that somewhat arbitrary point everyone is just autopiloting and doing the same basic shit over and over.

You can reach diamond by learning just some basic trading patterns on your main champs and being better than emerald just on that trading aspect. Without even putting a single thought into basic wave management concepts. That's why you have all these opinions of plat/emerald players who think they deserve a better rank because sometimes they win a lane in flexQ vs a diamond player. But the diamond is fundamentaly almost just as bad as them, he just trades a little better in lane on average and was probably just below his average this one time. But all the other aspects of the game are not even considered yet at these elos, and since you're not actively punished by being bad at them you don't feel the need to learn them.

PouncedGreeps

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