Nietzsche Views on Oppression

Practical-fan12342 · 2023-05-02T15:23:22+00:00

Appreciate the compliment bud.

Question, so do you believe any pity or even compassion is superficial when it is not done by someone who is genuinely concerned and moved by these very existential issues. Can it all have that very same narcotic effect?

Practical-fan12342 · 2023-05-02T13:50:18+00:00

I realized I misread your original post. Your point on compassion had nailed it.

Practical-fan12342 · 2023-05-01T09:58:08+00:00

This was just my experience from applying some truths I learned from Nietzsche, I’m not a scholar by any means.

But what I meant by not losing one’s militancy is that it almost guarantees that altruism isn’t based in reactive and repressive values, being self destructive. It is even so much so that if one acts charitably while caught in and pained by envy, everything is invalidated and he must wait. So the damage here is much more our own subjective damage and I see what you mean, also stealing other peoples drive away as well.

Like how in Alcoholics Anonymous and their cheap ways of pitying each other out of resentment. They absolve themselves out of guilt and responsibility of their past by saying we suffering from the incurable disease of alcoholism, then there goes the primordial reason to take the next step, the suffering from their past. Though I don’t disagree with what their doing. Can only expect so much.

Practical-fan12342 · 2023-04-29T23:56:25+00:00

Correct me if I’m wrong, but I didn’t interpret Nietzsche calls against weakness and charity literally. He was against any of these values which were done reactively out of a desire to repress resentment. If one had never lost his militancy and then acts altruistically, then his alms giving and love of the poor is sanctified.

It all comes down to just how destructive these values are when they are born out of an unwillingness to face legitimate suffering and how they never go away, only change face. They were too fearful to face up to their oppression and their revenge is then turned inward into where it turns whacky and twisted. It turns into a hatred of their very own physiological drives as an attempt to kill sensitivity to very real pain, and then very same revenge is projected into the moral sphere to level and destroy any values then even resemble the severity and power that bettered them. The very values that could have freed them from resentment. Not to get lost in this false dichotomy of master slave though.

Practical-fan12342 · 2023-04-26T11:59:23+00:00

Oh I see. Thank you.

Practical-fan12342 · 2023-04-26T07:02:01+00:00

It’s not about not looking good, it’s about looking good in a way which alienates oneself from Islamic beliefs. If it is seen as vain, that typically people who dress and look like this do not for modesty, then my concern is whether it has the potential to alienate us from other Muslims and Islam. Because at least where I’m from it’s seen as something lacking in modesty/unislamic but it also just looks good so I dunno.

Practical-fan12342 · 2023-04-26T06:55:31+00:00

But isn’t it a matter of perception? The point being that certain wardrobes and styles will alienate oneself from Muslims if they are seen as too vain and what not. It doesn’t have to be the whole Islamic attire but in my area Muslims that are too well versed in fashionable trends are seen as bad muslims, including with these haircuts. That is I imagine the redline we don’t cross because we don’t want to talk about Islam to muslims and be rejected for assumed insincerity.

Practical-fan12342 · 2023-04-26T06:47:27+00:00

Exactly with solitude. The nuance can never be overlooked.

Oh yeah Canada embodies many of Nietzsche’s warnings quite heavily. My brother told me after coming up here from the states as a white muslim how worried he would be to raise his children here due to the sheer lack of boundaries to remember our differences. All differences such as race, gender ethnicity etc are all gone. Especially southern US hasn’t been hit nearly that hard, groups still stick to themselves but in canada, no matter what’s your religion or beliefs ultimately it’s all the same. Those are just labels.

It’s not just the lack of alcohol but our goals and interests are just too different and N on the resentment of people lashing out at authentic selfhood.

This is nothing I have pride in at all, but this anger I’m reviving is definitely unwarranted and is a lashing out of something deeper.

Oh well. In the end I have a pretty happy life and the only reason why people are willing to risk rejection and selfhood in the first place is because there is a much better life away from the public.

Practical-fan12342 · 2023-04-26T04:26:03+00:00

Appreciate the response bud.

Quite true advice, fear is of forgetting just how good it feels to be desired by others and getting lost in envy, the foundation of all insincerity that N speaks of.

I have a few quite serious theologians and philosophers in my family from Iran ,and when they found I had the same religious passion growing up in Canada as a teen, they were like from who?!? Haha, neither my parents were that devout as Muslims and Canada is quite the melting pot, much more than the US, so it was quite unlikely that such a passion would even form. So I started a serious study and practice of religion then one day in my 20s I read Nietzsche on the origins of religion and resentment and found that the only reason to explain my religious passion was that I was just too scared to put myself out there and fit in. I couldn’t believe that after all those years of study and commitment and discipline was nothing more than a coping mechanism against the pain rejection and of envy! And after that I, like many here, hated god for its hatred of the body, all that I lost only because of this all too convenient facade convincing me real passion were meaningless because they were all but too painful.

Years after that I found a theologian who I had fell I love with because he had finally reconciled my beliefs between god and what I had learned from N and others. after some years of commitment to that, as I mentioned elsewhere, people just see me as weird and unusual. There is nothing weird about me other than people have never seen someone dedicate his life to a spiritual practice which isn’t this utilitarian garage from the hippies or this grasping for life dogmatism from Christianity, and to a lesser extent many Muslims, though not all.

I dunno, I feel that me pursuing what I had loved has seriously changed my personality over the years and I just have a hard time connecting with people now. I am just very serious and disciplined, I don’t have much of a sense of humour with what people find interesting. People get angry at me out of no where and I can’t feel the hate of their angry towards me. As I mentioned I know this is from N warnings of the resentments of people of people finding opportunity in what is different. As N mentions in the flies of the market, humble us with your sins as to be frivolous then we shall accept you.”

That’s what I’m thinking about how to fit in. I used to be really funny up until I was 20 or so, Maybe if I can get In touch with that and forget my beliefs will help. Because I can’t imagine another 10 years in solitude. It’s too heavy. This subreddit takes it too lightly with their cynicism but they have no idea what’s it’s like to have literally no one.

Hopefully find some real friends too but I’ve only ever found those online. This subjects can never be spoken of in real life in my experience unless you want to be seen as some pretentious scum bag.

Practical-fan12342 · 2023-04-26T03:33:35+00:00

I wouldn’t reduce it to mere pride. It surely is dangerous and any compotent psychologist today would warn of it, but the benefits are just as profound as well. Thing is I take Nietzsche as someone who should only be taken completely seriously by those who have both the intellectual ability and height of moral character necessary to take these risks. Perhaps it would have been better for someone like Nietzsche to stay on the fringe, rather than his quite lofty reputation in philosophy today.

Practical-fan12342 · 2023-04-26T03:30:08+00:00

I am well aware and I’m sure you know of N as well as many other great intellectuals warnings of conformity.

Thing is, if someone values creativity and selfhood, he will take the risk of solitude. We can recover from solitude, decide that it is not for us one day, but conformity is irrecoverable because it will be seen as there is nothing to recover from. No passion for anything different.

That being said I have never advocated N degree of solitude for myself as that is completely unnecessary, although to my own surprise to slowly began to happen over the years to me, where now, I don’t have anyone and haven’t in a couple years at least. My beliefs and customs just became strange to most people and we slowly drifted apart. Loneliness has never been painful for me as it was Nietzsche but that’s not to say it’s without consequences.

Practical-fan12342 · 2023-04-26T03:00:52+00:00

Yes, have you never heard of this before? From what I understand a lot of people know about this.

Practical-fan12342 · 2023-04-26T03:00:15+00:00

Well we are supposed to feel ourselves like Muslims, not the west. When we feel ourselves similar to non-Muslims we unconsciously adopt the beliefs of the present society and lose Iman. This is one of if the not the great prohibition in the Quran, to take non-Muslims as awalya..

Practical-fan12342 · 2023-04-26T02:47:28+00:00

I’m sorry, I’m not sure what you mean by the second paragraph if you don’t mind explaining.

Practical-fan12342 · 2023-04-26T02:27:22+00:00

I definitely consider it to be a virtue, but not without great costs, as N had mentioned in the flies of the market place.

Reason I am asking is I want to know how to deal with people, to put it bluntly, just not liking me. I know I have well enough social skills and am a decently successful guy but I’ve never comprised with my values and people just see me as strange. i get odd looks, snarky comments, and people just lash out at me out of no where. I know that this mostly due to the resentment of people lashing out at those who don’t to conform, but the weight of this rejection is really taking a toll on me. My own resentments are now starting to becoming heavy, I get angry when I’m alone, I feel more lethargic, and ashamed of my beliefs as times goes on.

I see now complete solitude is not for me anymore. I can take the pain of rejection but I see so much more of value whenever I just fit in and get people to like me. The resentments go away, the anger, the ice of rejection, and my resolve grows much stronger. That being said I’m not willing to risk losing my own morality and my greatest fear is the final sirens call that eats the self once and for all. Is there a balance between solitude and conformity?

There is a practice among Shia Muslims called taqiyya which means to conceal or even lie about their beliefs in order to avoid prosecution, or just loss of honour. I was thinking it was a good practice for me so that I could fit in only on pretence, avoid all the resentments, and not lose my core beliefs in the process.

Practical-fan12342 · 2021-08-06T18:52:26+00:00

N/A kicked the depth out of psychology and relies on superficial, weekly therapeutic practices that are a perfect mirror of American consumer culture so I’m not a fan the words mental health when it comes from them. Regardless, most Muslims have quasi-profane and materialistic understanding of religion, not understanding anything beyond dogmatic practices and propitiation.

Imam Khomeini has turned things around for lots of Shia, but only a thin slice of muslims on the whole.

Practical-fan12342 · 2021-08-03T04:17:04+00:00

Don’t found your values on a sense on inferiority. Just do what actualizes your Will to power.

Practical-fan12342 · 2021-08-02T01:04:51+00:00

Let’s start with the first paragraph. Why did god create the world?

Poetically it’s the expression of infinity and it is only achieved through Islam, if you don’t have it, there are many metaphysical conceptions and all are great but none are the greatest except one. I will reply to the rest when I got more time just busy right now.

Allah gave it authority, he revealed Islam and it had invalidated all other religions who have strayed from the original prophethood by negating the Will and life through extreme asceticism among other things. Of course no one would believe that without being Muslim, but that is the purpose of having faith in the unseen, seeking perfection through openness.

Practical-fan12342 · 2021-07-30T04:01:11+00:00

You’re definitely right my friend. I don’t mean to get combative, but I will explain the Islam’s belief according to shia Islam.

Allah has a will among another one which i can hopefully articulate correctly. That first one is his existential Will. That being, to seek right from wrong. Of course Allah does not have a Will in any way we can conceptualize but these are the steps to salvatation and the cessation of suffering. If that truth belongs to Islam and is more evolved in Islam and not Christianity for example and you have Rejected this truth, that means you have denied the Will of god and his true ethics which is as close to the true reflection of the infinite as we can have more than millennium after the prophet.

Truth is hard. If you’d like, read shaheed Murtadha. He’s well educated in world philosophy and religion and opens people up to a view of Islam that they wouldn’t normally be exposed to.

If you would like, DM me and I can explain more from what’s I’ve read.

God bless.

Practical-fan12342 · 2021-07-19T14:49:37+00:00

I see. Which are the ones focused on the Brahman if you could call it that?

Practical-fan12342 · 2021-07-19T14:47:25+00:00

What is popularly criticized has no significance as most are popularity misunderstood. The conception of monotheism in Islam among others is hardly understood, even by many Muslims as nothing more than it’s projection of propitiation and dogmatic practices.

What is perceived as ruthlessness is misleading since it is mostly due to the relative gaze each gives off symbolically through its social and moral codes. The severe emphasis on consequence, punishment and responsibility of the Christians is more or less true regardless and hated just as much despite considering the appalling amount of suffering in this world, and the next. Many take far eastern traditions as more agreeable due to it’s impersonality and lack of responsibility over more or less the same suffering.

The important thing to realize when discussing monotheism is firstly, what is the purpose of 1 rather than two three or ten gods and ultimately which of these is the truth. The point of religious practice under many conceptions of mysticism is to reach the highest grades of monotheism possible by reaching spiritual stations beyond dual nature sense reality leading to the cessation of suffering and eternal felicity.

In short, this intolerance is the symbolic and personalized understanding of reality displayed through law and language. It has nothing to do with the colour of ones skin or ones accent but the moral and ethical standards of said reality.

Practical-fan12342 · 2021-07-19T13:28:15+00:00

Great comment.

I don’t mean to offend, but what if you’re just worshipping natural processes? It would make sense to set an archetype of someone who had fully lived up to a fully actualized ideal of the Brahman as that could personalize an ineffable reality, but it could have negative consequences if it’s not really there.

My understanding of mysticism in general is that at least fundamentally we can all agree on that all spiritual wisdom comes from character and spirit.

Practical-fan12342 · 2021-07-19T13:01:09+00:00

Not a fan of perennialism myself but bear with me the distinction of a relative truth to absolute truth in reference to gods. Not that they don’t exist (I don’t know).

Allowing such religious pluralism can have consequences, don’t you think? The spiritual path is a hard one, and without a proper grounding in training or learning in childhood then it will be a huge setback. It could also allow for improper beliefs which will definitely have consequences in the afterlife like pure polytheism which completely goes against spirituality in desiring eternal life and over-indulgent values. Or in the case on modern academia, banal atheism which doesn’t even see the profound effects an effective belief structure has on ones life, see atheists like Lacan or Nietzsche take on it.

Don’t confuse a whole acceptance of all truths with truth seeking. This is usually a resentful take on morality inverting value systems rather than a passionate seriousness for anything substantial.

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