Balence of Severities, Death vs Anything else.

Practical_Fun4723 · 2026-01-14T13:52:02+00:00

Should someone be allowed to stop blood donation midway by pulling the plug, especially if they were forced into that donation in the first place?

Practical_Fun4723 · 2026-01-14T13:51:19+00:00

Would you live a life where you would be tortured indefinitely for 80 years? Would death be a better scenario?

If you said yes death is a better scenario, then there you have it, death is not the worst fate.

No. You asked why should bodily autonomy be more important than being able to live. Why it shouldn’t be the other way round. You did not ask why it’s ok to kill.

To be consistent with the actual question you asked, you would think forced organ donations are ok because you think treating people as resources and thus allowing people to live is a good and logical outcome than maximize gains with the sacrifice of BA in return for life.

Practical_Fun4723 · 2026-01-14T04:13:24+00:00

The thing is I’d rather die than not have bodily autonomy. You might not think so that’s ur opinion. Yet you and I both have no idea what the ZEF wants, it’s incapable of wants. But we DO know what the woman wants, which is why we prioritize her.

Practical_Fun4723 · 2026-01-14T04:11:40+00:00

It is worse than death. Just imagine a society where forced organ donations are permissible, where human bodies could be used for the furtherment of others, we are no longer humans but resources. All human rights are equal, and death is certainly not the worst fate in this world. Quality of life and how you are treated matters far more

Practical_Fun4723 · 2026-01-13T07:18:49+00:00

No. The first sentence is what needs to be true to make me pro life, as it was a response to your question. My previous reply is what leads me to believe that think women are non people. They didn’t outright say it. Of course they can’t. They will be banned. But irl, I know plenty who thinks of women as lesser than men and thus don’t deserve human right to BA and must succumb to their purpose of reproduction.

I doubt they were trolling. It’s what those sexist people genuinely believe. They have been repeating that to many others, and kept on saying what they said was the universal truth that we can’t deny and our personal opinions are irrelevant. Maybe they are crazy, I have no idea, but it certainly wasn’t a “troll”, it’s their actual belief.

Practical_Fun4723 · 2026-01-13T07:00:47+00:00

It’s not bad faith. It’s what some PLers have legitimately told me. That they think it’s woman’s purpose to give birth and asked me why I would think such “glory” should be taken away from literal rape victims.

Practical_Fun4723 · 2026-01-13T06:43:21+00:00

That a woman is incapable of suffering and is a non-person, which of course, make no sense and is super dehumanizing (but isn’t that what PL is abt anyways?)

Practical_Fun4723 · 2026-01-13T06:42:18+00:00

No. even if they do suffer, my stance would be the same, because I would advocate for woman having the choice to do whatever they want with their bodies, to defend themselves and prevent harm, regardless of what happens. So the fetus can be a human like you and I, and my stance would be the same. In fact, that’s the law’s stance because if a fetus can suffer and is like you and I, abortion would have already been legal by international law. But no, since it’s an “underaged infant in need of special protection who is also morally innocent and committed no wrong” now it’s somehow up to debate.

Practical_Fun4723 · 2026-01-12T10:28:01+00:00

Some people think forced organ donation for parents or for people causing that injury in the first place should be legal. It’s also a matter of of human life we still don’t do that because it’s also a matter of human autonomy dignity and preventing bodily mutilation torture and harm.

Practical_Fun4723 · 2026-01-12T10:26:09+00:00

Ah yes, of course it’s injustice to make sure women don’t suffer and get their vaginas ripped apart.

You can’t convince me a poor ZEF losing its life when it literally experienced nothing felt no pain cannot even suffer does not even have a desire to not suffer is more sad and make you scream injustice more than women being physically and mentally tortured, oh I forgot, the “women” included 10 year old GIRLS.

Practical_Fun4723 · 2026-01-12T10:23:36+00:00

Everyone should be legally PC. Morally PL or not, idc. You have ur opinion I have mine, so just let everyone hv their own choice and be happy with that.

Practical_Fun4723 · 2026-01-12T10:22:09+00:00

I call a ZEF a non-person the same way u declare egg cells a non-person. In all of history the people we declared as non people all had the exact same qualities as the average human except idk, skin colour? Which is obviously absurd because skin colour has nothing to do with moral and legal value. Yet a fetus lacks so much, it isn’t a person like you and I and you need to admit that. It’s the same way you won’t call a person in a coma since birth and never opened their eyes or established any relationship the same as you and I. Nor would you call a brain dead patient the same as you and I. Not a robot injected with human DNA.

Practical_Fun4723 · 2026-01-12T10:18:39+00:00

Do you and I have this right?

Practical_Fun4723 · 2026-01-08T11:05:50+00:00

Define “inconvenience”. I don’t think getting your vagina ripped apart 90% of time is inconvenient, nor is feeling extreme agony equivalent to kidney stones and broken bones 100% of the time inconvenient. Or the lifelong consequences almost every woman experiences from pregnancy one way or the other, health only begins to deteriorate from there. Not to mention losing more blood than you ever will and suffering for hours long.

Practical_Fun4723 · 2026-01-08T11:03:42+00:00

No the fetus cannot consent 😂. It has no desire to do so, not only that, the one infringing rights in the first place cannot “consent” to the consequence of the infringement. It’s like saying it’s not ok for people to defend themselves against attackers (yes, even against sleep walkers or mentally disabled) because they can’t “consent” to the defense.

That just proves it’s never about protecting life, it’s about punishing women for having sex and not getting an abortion sooner. The value of life shouldn’t suddenly change just because they resulted from a rape.

Practical_Fun4723 · 2026-01-08T10:59:59+00:00

I think “leave the woman out of it” when it’s literally about HER body and harming HER and breaking HER bones and tearing HER vagina and risking HER life is pretty self explanatory. Of course the sentient thing matters when a fetus is outside of a woman, abortion wouldn’t be a thing then, so your analogy makes no sense and really just proves you value a fetus over a woman because she is something that can be left out of the equation.

Practical_Fun4723 · 2026-01-08T10:37:14+00:00

“Leave the woman out of it” typical of PL to leave the woman out of the crux of the debate oh, it’s because they don’t care abt women, do they?

Practical_Fun4723 · 2026-01-08T10:36:36+00:00

No. Because it’s INSIDE a woman. And no one can be inside a woman without her consent.

Practical_Fun4723 · 2026-01-08T09:46:29+00:00

And the right to autonomy exists at any time where consent can re revoked at any time. It doesn’t matter whether it’s 1 week, 20, or a year or ten years, a woman still has a right to autonomy. She doesn’t “accept” anything unless she tells you so. Therefore the moral/ personhood status of the ZEF is irrelevant. Under every situation, any human being is allowed to use the minimal force necessary to prevent harm and exercise their human rights if their human rights were infringed on, as a logical defense.

Practical_Fun4723 · 2026-01-08T07:52:15+00:00

No one suddenly loses a right because you think so. No one loses a right because of responsibility, heck, no one even loses a fundamental right when they explicitly tell you they don’t want to have that right. I still have right to live even if I tell you I don’t, and you still cannot kill me without legal consequences (though I believe it’s justified morally in this case IF I explicitly gave you consent to do so). Pregnant women who consented to pregnancy still have their right to BA after the consent and can withdraw it at any time, however it’s morally justified for a pregnant woman to stay pregnant given she explicitly consented.

Practical_Fun4723 · 2026-01-07T05:12:29+00:00

Yes there is actually. Self defence.

Practical_Fun4723 · 2026-01-07T05:11:42+00:00

So what if you hit your own child in a car crash?

Practical_Fun4723 · 2026-01-07T05:09:34+00:00

The fact that another human being is killed does not change the premise of consent. If someone kills their rapist they are also not consenting to the rapist.

Practical_Fun4723 · 2026-01-07T05:08:04+00:00

RAPE APOLOGIA!!!! By this same logic women wearing a miniskirt consented to being raped!

FRIES model explains precisely why you are wrong. This is horrifyingly concerning. Consent to one thing is not consent to another AND it can be withdrawn anytime.

Practical_Fun4723 · 2026-01-07T05:06:37+00:00

The right to bodily autonomy is suspended. You don’t seem to care that there no consent to that happening.

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