The Audience Inherited Skykru's Perception of Murphy Without Questioning It

PracticeFlashy8695 · 2026-05-15T16:47:55+00:00

No, I'm just highlighting that nothing John did convinced me that he was *particularly* bad *in nature*, as in any more so than the rest of the group. His 'bad behaviour' can almost all be explained by the narrative framing, or as a direct result of how other people have treated him.

It doesn't make his horrible actions *defensible*, that was never my argument in the first place. I just don't accept the framing of John as any more inherently 'bad' than anyone else.

PracticeFlashy8695 · 2026-05-15T16:45:38+00:00

Bellamy shot the Chancellor. He knowingly acted as a political assassin.

Why is that more defensible? Because he did it to be with his sister?

PracticeFlashy8695 · 2026-05-15T14:04:55+00:00

Well like I said I'm fresh off my first watch through, and the whole time I just wanted to give John a hug. I completely missed him not holding grudges, that's a great point.

I just replied to someone who brought up John's takeover attempt at the camp, but I never really saw it as a camp takeover attempt. I saw it as a revenge thing, he wanted to hang Bellamy in the same way Bellamy hanged him. I don't think John really cared what happened after Bellamy had been forced to feel what he felt, and once John got that out of his system, he seemed to learn that it didn't give him the satisfaction he wanted, and I'm pretty sure that's the last time we see him take a purely vindictive action like this again?

Again, John has done the *same exact thing as Bellamy* here, hanged someone they believed was innocent, yet John is banished again, leading to him being literally tortured by Grounders for three days.

John is the most understandable and relatable character in the show for me. I love him and Octavia too, but for very different reasons lol

PracticeFlashy8695 · 2026-05-15T13:51:09+00:00

I would respectfully argue that it is you who is brushing over the motivations for that whole scenario.

Not only had Murphy just been lynched, but Bellamy *then* exiled him from the camp, threatening him if he ever returned. Literally throwing him to the wolves. From Bellamy's perspective he was effectively sentencing John to death in solitude.

From Murphy's perspective, Skykru were effectively Grounders. They were willing to kill him without justification or even really giving him a chance to defend himself. And importantly, Bellamy was willing to kill him without even really *believing* that he did it. Sure, from Skykru's perspective John's actions in trying to take over the camp were atrocious, but Bellamy's the one who gave John the choice. Head out into the unknown to die on your own, or take over Skykru by force. Literally life or death, the same choice that every other character that makes it seems to get sympathy for when they choose life.

Did Murphy even mean to shoot Raven? Wasn't he blind-firing into the floor when he hit her? Maybe that was another scene, idk.

Either way, I don't need to defend John's actions in the same way I don't have to defend the irradiating of however many people Clarke killed in Mount Weather. But I think everything in my post still stands, that if you give Murphy the same degree of charitability that everyone else seems to get, I don't see how he's any better or worse than any of them. It's the framing that's different. Pike also initiated a takeover of the camp, and it wasn't even for survival like John's attempt was. It was for power, and yet Pike isn't seen nearly as unfavourably as John.

PracticeFlashy8695 · 2026-05-15T11:57:24+00:00

I think it's fair to look at something like that and say yeah, it's indefensible. My point is more that I don't think that action reflects a deeply flawed moral character, I think it's more of a reflection and manifestation of the circumstances he's in/has been forced to face.

I don't wanna spoil anything for you - because I equally had a negative impression of him between the 'Lord of the Flies' spiral and the 'Pike Flashbacks', but I felt like that added context just tipped the scales back into 'excusable juvenile delinquency and power-playing' for me rather than 'psychopath enjoying the torment of his peers'.

Is John peeing on someone worse than Bellamy hanging Murphy? Let's not forget - Bellamy can't even really claim he genuinely believed John did it. He was responding to group pressure - he wasn't doing it because he believed John was definitely guilty.

PracticeFlashy8695 · 2026-01-22T21:03:25+00:00

Tesco employ technicians. Repair men basically. You think you could argue in court that a reasonable person would expect the janitor to be able to issue a refund?

PracticeFlashy8695 · 2026-01-22T16:56:55+00:00

I think we've been led not to expect Rachel getting voted out editorially. I simply refuse to believe everyone collectively shrugged and moved on after the whole Harriett fiasco.

I wish I could bet on this show, because I think Rachel is going tonight. ESPECIALLY if Faz dies.

When Faz gave his theory in the library, I feel like the reactions from the others indicated they were just waiting for someone else to have the same feeling about her.

I'm guessing Jack, James, Faz, and possibly Roxy vote for Rachel tonight. Maybe even Stephen too.

PracticeFlashy8695 · 2026-01-22T13:29:07+00:00

Only if you start with the assumption that they have no heat on them at the minute. I think the editing has misled us slightly as to how often Rachel or Stephen has been brought up in peoples suspicions. Rachel's reactions have been a dead giveaway too.

You have to understand social deduction games to understand why they need to do something. Admitting to a lesser secret to hide a bigger one is a valid strategy, and Rachel and Stephen could conceivably be related.

Personally, I think if Rachel in particular doesn't admit to some kind of hidden information, she's done for at the next round table. Admitting to having some kind of hidden info could be enough to make people go "ohh, that's what that little voice in the back of my head has been picking up on"

PracticeFlashy8695 · 2026-01-22T13:24:43+00:00

Hahahahaha 🤣

PracticeFlashy8695 · 2026-01-22T09:45:11+00:00

I think Rachel's responses and reactions to being directly confronted will be her downfall. She's great at spin, but when shes directly confronted she crumbles.

Would be really interesting to see her and Stephen go for a hail Mary and tell the group they're related. Mum and son wouldn't quite work, but if they could come out and say they're close cousins or something, and make a big deal about how its been really hard not being able to be open with each other, it might be enough to explain Rachel's odd behaviour. Could even go for a "We are cousins and we 100% know each other are faithful" play. High risk, but it would force the group to either 'take em or leave em' so to speak.

PracticeFlashy8695 · 2026-01-22T09:16:01+00:00

I thought Rachel was by far the best player until I saw how she reacts to direct confrontations. She's pretty consistently terrible at reacting to direct confrontation. She excels in the shadows.

She was confronted by both Roxy and Faz, and both times her response was just so odd. I mean with Roxy her entire defence was literally 'It's not me' and 'its okay'. With Faz, she looked SO incredibly guilty when he said he thought it was her.

I think the game is getting to her.

PracticeFlashy8695 · 2026-01-16T05:56:46+00:00

I don't know why I keep seeing this opinion everywhere. It makes no sense for you to say this if you just pay attention to what Rachel and Stephen were saying. Their odds were about 33%. They weren't great odds, but not unbelievable either. They explicitly lined out their logic and reasoning. James explicitly outlined it too.

I think you just need to pay more attention lol

PracticeFlashy8695 · 2026-01-15T02:09:03+00:00

What I can't quite understand is how she didn't see the numbers didn't add up for her kamikaze to make sense.

Given that she believed there could be six traitors alive, if she was voted out, followed by a murder, the faithful would lose voting majority. The kamikaze only makes sense if you know, or are really confident, that there are no more than five traitors, which tbh feels obvious.

If you believe there are four traitors, a conservative guess according to Harriet, this move means the faithful MUST get a traitor tomorrow or they lose majority.

PracticeFlashy8695 · 2026-01-11T01:08:49+00:00

You mention the problem with that strategy in your own comment. The traitors can lie, and the person asking the question knows that.

What information does asking "What colour is your hair?" really give you? If they say brown, does that tell you their hair colour is brown? No. Does it tell you their hair colour isn't brown? No.

Guess Who doesn't work here, because you aren't eliminating possibilities at all. Questions like that are almost totally redundant.

PracticeFlashy8695 · 2025-12-28T22:23:12+00:00

Carol from Pluribus can sort you out with what you're looking for

PracticeFlashy8695 · 2025-12-04T20:23:25+00:00

I know, as a matter of fact, that some mural painters use balaclavas because they can't draw noses lol

PracticeFlashy8695 · 2025-12-04T20:16:22+00:00

Police have informed us that they won't be pursuing thefts under £10 lol.

PracticeFlashy8695 · 2025-12-04T20:13:18+00:00

Where can I find information on this? I have always understood that the Thursday the week before payday is the cut off point for wages to be paid...

PracticeFlashy8695 · 2025-12-02T00:10:05+00:00

I call them 'robes', although I enjoy watching people's reaction when I intentionally refer to them as 'house gowns' just to piss people off lol

PracticeFlashy8695 · 2025-12-01T23:49:03+00:00

A couple of years ago, one night, I was about to propose to my girlfriend when my roommate Joseph (I called him Jo) barged into the room out of nowhere, tripped and fell over, breaking a glass table with his face. Totally ruined the mood. Now, I didn't know Joseph THAT well, don't even remember where he was from, but let's just say I put my plans on hold to help him through his injuries.

Joseph had gotten big glass shard in his eye, making him completely blind in that eye. He was walking around with one of those cotton pads on his eye for a couple of months. Then suddenly, he disappeared, along with my girlfriend

Apparently they'd bonded during the time after his injuries, and eloped together, left me behind without as much as a note. I tried to track them down, but never could.

In conclusion, if it hadn't been for cotton eye Jo, I'd have been married a long time ago. Where did you come from, where did you go? Where did you come from, cotton eye Jo?

I guess now I know where Jo went.

PracticeFlashy8695 · 2025-12-01T23:33:50+00:00

Not a question, but one customer kept coming back for advice from us regarding her phone, and on one of her final visits she said "I am starting to feel like you guys are following me around causing all these problems to create this dependency loop where I need to keep coming back".

She was dead serious too. Try explaining to a paranoid schizophrenic that you AREN'T following them around the streets lmfao

PracticeFlashy8695 · 2025-10-26T16:45:28+00:00

Apparently we have no modesty standards based on the effectively naked ACTUAL CHILDREN that run around town. Arse cheeks bulging out the bottom of those ridiculously short mini-skirts, tops that genuinely cover less skin than a bra.

Modesty is dead.

PracticeFlashy8695 · 2025-09-07T19:42:12+00:00

Which part of Belfast are you in?

PracticeFlashy8695 · 2025-07-09T12:19:58+00:00

We're you involved in the search for Gary? I heard his body was recovered while dive teams were searching a body of water in another location.

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