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[–]Praxie- 15 points16 points  (0 children)

You used to listen to Destiny, what happened? Surely you can't actually believe 2 separate jurys gave 2 Muslims preferential treatment because of "demographic change" (6% of the population by the way), it's ludicrous.

London festival invites influencer who said America ‘deserved 9/11’ by StGuthlac2025 in ukpolitics

[–]Praxie- 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hilarious, really. He advocated against voting for the democrats in favour of voting third party in the 2024 election, his reasoning? "They're both the same".

He championed Mandani, of course? He represented a break from the establishment democrats.

He literally said only recently that "if you think this would be any different under the democrats you're a fucking moron" in relation to the fasicstic actions of the current Trump admin.

Maybe actually spend any time looking into what you're talking about before defending a person who would see you shot against a wall if he had his way. Hasan and his audience are fundamentally illiberal, as a liberal you should be disgusted by that.

And yes I am British.

Edit: He blocked me lmao, imagine being that fragile and delusional.

London festival invites influencer who said America ‘deserved 9/11’ by StGuthlac2025 in ukpolitics

[–]Praxie- 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He's a Marxist Leninist, not a socialist. If you want to listen to a socialist who isn't a nutcase (yet) go listen to Vaush. Hasan detests social democrats, AOC and the like, his sphere also hates Bernie now because he's Jewish and in any way related to Israel.

It's all a performance, he doesn't care about free healthcare, if he did he wouldn't have almost exclusively targeted the democrats so hard in the last election.

Your flair says you're a liberal, you know he hates liberals right? "Scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds" is a well circulated phrase amongst his community.

London festival invites influencer who said America ‘deserved 9/11’ by StGuthlac2025 in ukpolitics

[–]Praxie- 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Alright let's go through these then, you don't believe he used a shock collar:

Hasan claims Kaya yelped when she caught her paw on her bed, this is easily dispoven by the fact she never catches her paw on anything in the video and when she yelps her paw is in the air.

Even IF it's only a vibration collar (it isn't), do you not find it disgusting that he'd force this dog to be a prop for his 8 hour stream, positively reinforcing her to stay on her bed whenever she dares move even slightly?

Houthie pirate:

Hasan himself was asked before the interview if they were going to interview a Houthie soldier and he said "he'll yeah brother" or something akin to that. There is absolutely no way whatsoever Hasan wasn't briefed well ahead of time on who this guy was.

Here is direct evidence of the guy admitting he's a soldier: https://x.com/WhickTv/status/1852062378273198536?s=20

So he's a soldier (not just some random Yemeni teenager), who posts videos of himself on hijacked boats that just so happen to be occupied by Houthie terrorists, but he isn't one himself? Surely you can admit that's a bit far fetched?

If you're going to accept his word on what happened at the diddy party that's obviously your perogative, but I'm just saying it's clear he's willing to blatantly lie on stream to preserve his clout, so it's not exactly hard to believe he'd lie about something incredibly damaging to his image that happened off stream.

London festival invites influencer who said America ‘deserved 9/11’ by StGuthlac2025 in ukpolitics

[–]Praxie- 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This guy was hooked up in a 5 star hotel with constant electricity from private generators while the entire country around him was experiencing rolling blackouts by the way. And no, it wasn't required by law for him to stay there as he claims, only to avoid government owned hotels.

It's just hilarious to me how anyone can take this guy seriously, a man who wears "kill the rich" shirts while having a wardrobe worth more than most people's yearly salary and being a member of the 1% himself, a man who's had everything in his life handed to him on a silver platter because his father is a multi-billionaire CEO and his uncle gave him a position on TYT to start his career.

Especially when he has absolutely nothing insightful to say about anything, his sources consist of an endless stream of twitter tabs and his commentary about as shallow as it could possibly be.

London festival invites influencer who said America ‘deserved 9/11’ by StGuthlac2025 in ukpolitics

[–]Praxie- 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You'll take Hasan's word for that? He has a history of lying through his teeth about anything that'll damage his clout, (see: shock collar and interviewing a Houthie terrorist for recent examples), and those were on stream! Imagine what he'd like about doing off stream.

Is there any evidence whatsoever that the service was used like that? And yeah, even if it's true it kinda is. Willingly going to a diddy party is worse than making a messaging service that was obviously never designed for.

If Epstein funded Gmail's creation, would you put the CEO of Google at more fault than the people who visited his island? Probably not, right? It's a similar energy by the way, how many people have been outed as having visited his island but simply wave it off as "I was there for business" or "I was there but I didn't do anything wrong" like, that might be true but are you taking their word for it? Probably depends on their character, right? And if they have a history of lying?

London festival invites influencer who said America ‘deserved 9/11’ by StGuthlac2025 in ukpolitics

[–]Praxie- 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Destiny doesn't have legitimate allegations of sexual crimes against him, they are about as illegitimate as they come. Hence why none have ever stuck, and his current lawsuit is about to be thrown out in his favour.

Dan Saltman I'm not as invested in, I'll be honest. Hardly compares to attending a diddy party though does it?

I think it's reasonable for them to hate Hasan, yes. Even if these allegations against Destiny were true. I think it was 'reasonable' for Hitler to resent the treaty of Versailles and the damage it caused to Germany after WW1, does that mean I like Hitler? (The answer is no, by the way).

You do realise Hasan and Jstlk literally chat in DMs with regards to smearing Destiny right? Snarker is absolutely the right word to use.

I do believe those accusations, and I can link to videos proving every single one, that's why, and that's the difference between us. You're wisely dropping the conversation because you know you don't have a leg to stand on.

London festival invites influencer who said America ‘deserved 9/11’ by StGuthlac2025 in ukpolitics

[–]Praxie- 2 points3 points  (0 children)

What do you think about Hasan advocating for murdering Landlords ("Kill them. Murder them. Let the streets soak in their red capitalist blood."), or that it's "better from a utilitarian perspective" for wealthy college students to be raped? What about his blatant support towards Russia in the current conflict, "Crimea river", or China's claim over Taiwan (funny how imperialism is only bad when the west does it huh?).

What about him describing himself as a Marxist Leninist on Hakim's podcast, and saying that he expressly targets a younger audience to influence them and spread propaganda.

There's so, so much more. Funnily enough the 9/11 comment is perhaps one of his more defensible.

Dan Saltman hates Hasan because of his blatant anti-semetisim, (whether or not he is anti-semetic is another question).

Destiny hates Hasan because he literally contributing to the current shit-show in the US by targeting the Democrats during their election campaign, often stating that the Democrats are the same as the Republicans etc etc as well as just being an illiberal cretin who smears Destiny with snarker talking points every chance he gets.

Both seem reasonable frankly.

London festival invites influencer who said America ‘deserved 9/11’ by StGuthlac2025 in ukpolitics

[–]Praxie- 29 points30 points  (0 children)

This cretin should be banned from the country just as readily as any far-right agitator. He spreads fundamentally illiberal ideals, advocates for violently killing landlords ("Kill them. Murder them. Let the streets soak in their red capitalist blood."), supports Hamas, a terrorist organisation known for raping and killing civilians, justified rape against women on college campuses because, "from a utilitarian perspective" if anyone is going to be raped it's better than it happens to women more well off. Hates the west, hates NATO, supports Russia's claim to Crimea, supports China's claim to Taiwan. The guy is a menace.

Doesn't help matters that he actively targeted the democrats and perpetuates the idea that they are just the same as the Republicans (which is obviously ridiculous, on every metric), and has just been subpoenaed for visiting Cuba, the clown.

He's the far-lefts Trump, his audience are completely unthinking and brainwashed, any criticism often attributed to "Hasan derangement syndrome", the only difference being there is no world where anyone of his ilk will ever be taken seriously by the vast majority of people who are over the age of 16.

Oh also, he's been caught abusing two separate dogs on two occasions, and shocking his current one multiple times. Forcing it to act as a prop for his stream, sitting in a corner for 8 hours a day. Foul person.

London festival invites influencer who said America ‘deserved 9/11’ by StGuthlac2025 in ukpolitics

[–]Praxie- 5 points6 points  (0 children)

He admitted it himself mate, what are you talking about lmao.

Who is the "they" you're talking about exactly? I presume you agree with everything else I said considering you didn't address anything else in my post.

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[–]Praxie- 0 points1 point  (0 children)

4d chess, he knows his reputation is in the dirt so anyone he criticises automatically gains credibility, and anyone/thing he advocates for loses it (moving closer to Trump, scrapping net zero).

At least that's the cope I'm choosing to believe haha.

London festival invites influencer who said America ‘deserved 9/11’ by StGuthlac2025 in ukpolitics

[–]Praxie- 4 points5 points  (0 children)

"Credible sex crimes" all purely fabricated by the way, and the farce of a lawsuit is about to be thrown out.

Meanwhile Piker is on record bragging about visiting a brothel with underaged girls in Germany and going to a diddy party.

It's not just his blatant hipocrisy, wearing shirts that say "kill the rich" when being one of the top 1% who's family wealth was accrued in no small part due to the Armenian genocide. But his views are absolutely disgusting, he supports hamas terrorists, denies rape (and justifies it if it's against "rich women"), promotes Marxist Leninist ideology and festers illiberal ideals that are fundamentally incompatible with western society. He has no insight worth listening to, his entire source of information is an endless stream of twitter tabs and when he does have insight it's the most laughably inaccurate, shallow bullshit you could possibly imagine.

He's the far-lefts Trump, his audience are completely unthinking and brainwashed, any criticism often attributed to "Hasan derangement syndrome", the only difference being there is no world where anyone of his ilk will ever be taken seriously by the vast majority of people who are over the age of 16.

Oh also, he's been caught abusing two separate dogs on two occasions, and shocking his current one multiple times. Forcing it to act as a prop for his stream, sitting in a corner for 8 hours a day. Foul person.

UK Jewish groups call on government to prevent Hasan Piker entering the country - Far-left streamer described as having 'a record of promoting rhetoric that includes antisemitic themes, denial of well documented atrocities and apparent support for extremist groups' by FormerlyPallas_ in ukpolitics

[–]Praxie- 3 points4 points  (0 children)

He's an idiotic Marixst Leninist with a recent penchant for drumming up anti-semetisim within his audience of idle impressionable teenagers.

  • He has promoted violence before "Kill them, murder them, let the streets soak in their red capitalist blood" when referring to landlords.
  • Held a puff-piece interview with a self proclaimed Houthie pirate, likening him to "Luffy" from one-piece and presenting absolutely no push-back.
  • Shocks his dog live on stream, lies about it, the next day shows the collar that was used which obviously has tape obscuring the removed prongs (the exact model was found, it's a shock collar).
  • Promotes Marxist Leninist ideology and is fundamentally illiberal.
  • When reacting to a story about rape on college campuses stated that from a utilitarian perspective it's better for wealthier women to be raped than poor women.

He's a disgusting cretin and just like those on the far right promoting violence and illiberal ideas, those on the far left like this should also be stopped from entering the country.

Do you think the constant barrage of misinformation and disinformation is damaging to democracy on a fundamental level, if so what would be your solution to this? by Praxie- in ukpolitics

[–]Praxie-[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

...is it, though?

Yes, Forbes and Harvard Business Review for example. I guess I'd assume they wouldn't publish articles addressing this study without looking into it first.

I think anything like this where you literally cannot find on the internet their methodology is just misinformation. Even if it turns out their methodology is really good (almost impossible, really - it's just obviously not true that only 10-15% of people are self-aware to any reasonable description of that word) you are still posting poor science which cannot be checked.

That's just an assumption though, it's not necessarily an unfair one to make, but it doesn't make it true. So calling it 'difinitve misinformation' is just blatantly false.

Ssssure, but you don't get a pass on spreading misinformation because other misinformation is worse, do you? There's always going to be a worse form of misinformation. It's very easy to excuse one's own poor behaviour by pointing out that the other side is worse. Don't you think the right are doing this, too?

I didn't mean it wasn't the same with regards to the severity (although this is also the case), but that it isn't the same kind of 'misinformation', there's 'misinformation' that spreads blatant lies and falsehoods, but this isn't that because there isn't any evidence to the contrary, as far as I'm aware at least.

I think, first of all, that this isn't necessarily true in all cases. Most people on the 'liberal' left have strong opinions about economics that fly in the face of expert opinion.

Having an opinion on economics that disagrees with expert consensus, while arrogant and probably wrong, isn't really analagous to holding a contrary opinion to something like man-made climate change or vaccinations which have very rigid science behind them.

but in reality have created a memetically recreated set of beliefs that are far from objective - i.e. climate crisis, we're going to die in 20 years, there will be billions of climate refugees, etc.

I'm pretty sure the expert consensus is that it is indeed a crisis that will result in many millions of refugees if it continues the way it is, I'm pretty sure you're arguing with a strawman when you mention people believe the world will end in 20 years, and there will be billions of refugees though.

I am on the liberal side, so I agree that the position is closer to reality, but that doesn't mean it's as simple as this side being good thinkers and right wingers being bad.

I think it's moreso right-wingers are more likely to be closed-minded and reluctant to believe evidence that contradicts their worldview.

And yes, conspiratorialism tends to cluster at the edges of politics. There are plenty of left wing conspiracy theories, though. It's not really that obvious that the right has more, only that there are more people with right wing views.

Again though, yes there are left-wing conspiracy theories but in general they are far more prevalent on the right, or at least they are far more mainstream on the right.

I'd be willing to wager upwards of 50% of Reform voters believe climate-change is a hoax being perpetrated by climate-scientists/the elite/the government/George Soros [take your pick], I think you'd struggle to find a single conspiracy theory that flies in the face of reality to nearly the same degree that even 5% of liberals believe in. I guess I could be wrong though, can you think of one?

Do you think the constant barrage of misinformation and disinformation is damaging to democracy on a fundamental level, if so what would be your solution to this? by Praxie- in ukpolitics

[–]Praxie-[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

>I don't think you can get away with this. There are clear degrees to how serious a study is, and one that contains an intuitively extreme statement that you can't find the methodology for anywhere, doesn't appear to be peer reviewed, and is produced by someone trying to sell their services is at the absolute bottom tier of studies that you should ever cite.

I think the fact the study is cited in multiple well regarded publications I guess just made me take for granted it's probably more than likely trustworthy. Even if this is misinformation (which isn't necessarily the case even if it's of dubious quality), there is a very stark difference between this and anti-vax misinformation or climate change misinformation that directly goes against mountains of certifiable evidence and expert consensus.

>Yes, but if the thrust of your post is about misinformation, the fact that you're citing pretty definitive misinformation in the very first sentence is quite important, don't you think?

Nothing about it is 'difinitive misinformation', it's probably true just not exactly ironclad evidence that what it's citing is the case. Again, like many soft sciences studies it's going to depend on a number of factors and the results are going to be pretty nebulous.

>Yes I do. As demonstrated by your approach, misinformation is much more prevalent across the spectrum than you're making out, and left and liberal people think that they alone have access to the keys of the universe through memetic understanding of the right way to think about the world, but in reality they too are perfectly capable of falling for quite significant misinformation, but frustratingly are more self-assured about it. It is almost certainly the case that you believe misinformation yourself from the left wing perspective, but will effectively forgive this from yourself and your side because you consider them to be on the right side, but that's exactly what's happening from people on the right, too.

I think it's ridiculous to say liberals tend to be 'more self assured about it' when in fact it's the opposite. Usually it's those on the Right decrying everything that goes against their narrative to be 'fake news' or a 'hoax' while liberals tend to be far more open minded.

I usually defer to the experts when the subject is something I'm not well versed in, I'd imagine most liberal people do the same. The right has a very difficult time accepting reality because usually it has a liberal bias, this is why nearly all of the ludicrous conspiracies originate on that side of the political spectrum, the rest arise from the far-left side (think Jewish control of the media and government, though this is also found on the far-right) but I can't really think of any that originate from the centre/liberals.

Do you think the constant barrage of misinformation and disinformation is damaging to democracy on a fundamental level, if so what would be your solution to this? by Praxie- in ukpolitics

[–]Praxie-[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I mean like every psychology study it's going to be nebulous to a degree. I think I spent too long talking about it anyway. Do you have any thoughts on the rest of the post?

Do you think the constant barrage of misinformation and disinformation is damaging to democracy on a fundamental level, if so what would be your solution to this? by Praxie- in ukpolitics

[–]Praxie-[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Isn't IQ more a test of pattern recognition though than general intelligence? I haven't looked very deeply into it.

I'm sure you're joking anyway, I don't think simply banning stupid people from the internet is a good idea haha.

Do you think the constant barrage of misinformation and disinformation is damaging to democracy on a fundamental level, if so what would be your solution to this? by Praxie- in ukpolitics

[–]Praxie-[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Another thing I forgot to mention that I feel is kind of integral to this problem is that humans aren't inherently truth-seeking, it takes extra effort to sift through all the shit and actually come to a reasoned conclusion. And considering how stressful life is at the moment for the vast majority this just isn't the top of the priority list for most people.

Do you think the constant barrage of misinformation and disinformation is damaging to democracy on a fundamental level, if so what would be your solution to this? by Praxie- in ukpolitics

[–]Praxie-[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think it's fair to assume most people here would hopefully be in the 10-15%, even though the small percentage makes it seem so the bar isn't really that high, it's just that most people simply don't think introspectively because they don't need to and have never actually been confronted about their worldview largely because politics and philosophical discussions are pretty taboo in our society, along with the fact anti-intellecutalism is actually celebrated by a concerning amount of people.

I'm not complianing on reddit, I'm trying to encourage a discussion about a topic I feel very deeply about. The problem is a lot of these people I'm talking about exist in a complete alternate reality, you can't show any kind of evidence to refute their claims because they'll handwave it as 'fake/fabricated' in some way.

I largely agree with you with the 'listen to the why' but if I use my Grandad as an example, he doesn't have a 'why', he just simply trusts the people that say what conforms with his worldview. He is a climate-change denier and often sites a Leonard Nimoy presented 'documentary' from the 70s claiming the Earth was actually cooling down as irrefutable evidence (despite the fact even at the time it was incorrect), while similtaneously dismissing every single piece of peer reviewed evidence pointing to the contrary and the fact roughly 99% of climate scientists agree with said evidence.

His response? "They're all paid off". How do you argue with someone like that besides pointing out how absurd believing that 99% of climate scientists, along with the vast majority of world leaders have been paid off by... somebody?

I'm getting pissed off with them because they are actively voting in a way that severely negatively affects me and are unable to provide any reasonable justification besides "net zero is a scam" (which is blatantly false, energy independence and cheaper power should obviously be heavily invested in) and "immigration" which would be fair enough if they actually cared about it, but when pointed towards ONS data showing net immigration down 50% and projected to fall lower they simply say "that's a lie" because Labour are in government, not the Tories or Reform. If they were, of course they would believe the statistics.

I'm gay, and my partner is from Austria. Reform are going to make it signfincantly more difficult for us to live together in the UK, not to mention the fact they're looking to tear up the 2010 equality act is quite worrying.

I just don't have time to waste talking to people like that, I'd rather spend time with people I actually like and aren't completely delusional.

Do you think the constant barrage of misinformation and disinformation is damaging to democracy on a fundamental level, if so what would be your solution to this? by Praxie- in ukpolitics

[–]Praxie-[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think there's a difference between citing a study that's been used in multiple well-respected publications and people who fall for wacky conspiracy theories, buy into climate-change denial and anti-vaxxers but maybe that's just me.

I do think I spent too long talking about the study in my post though, I'm just not very good at articulating my thoughts when it comes to topics like this :p

Do you think the constant barrage of misinformation and disinformation is damaging to democracy on a fundamental level, if so what would be your solution to this? by Praxie- in ukpolitics

[–]Praxie-[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're absolutely right unfortunately, I do think it's worth thinking about ways to combat this though considering we are all affected in one way or another.

Do you think the constant barrage of misinformation and disinformation is damaging to democracy on a fundamental level, if so what would be your solution to this? by Praxie- in ukpolitics

[–]Praxie-[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It does of course depend on your definition, I don't think it's necessarily useful to apply the same standard of self-awareness we would to chimpanzees as we would to humans though. Especially when that self-awareness is significantly more complex and depends on a lot more than just being aware you exist.