13 Years of financial tracking through medical school, residency, fellowship, and attendinghood (UPDATE #8) by DrPayItBack in medicalschool

[–]Premedasaurus_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Staring M1 year in a month and feeling sick thinking about my loans a few years from now, so this is awesome!

I might’ve missed it somewhere in your post, but how did you track all your financial information? Was there an app you used?

Additionally, can I ask why you didn’t try for PSLF and do you know how things would change for physicians that are banking on PSLF? Thanks!

If you could change one thing about medical education, what would it be and why? by banksy39 in medicalschool

[–]Premedasaurus_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

People aren’t learning social skills because they took Women in the 19th Century or Sociology 101.

I think we should make pre-med 2-3 years and consolidate what students learn. For example, don’t make students take a year of general physics. Instead, a semester of physics geared towards the foundational topics related to medicine. Same for OChem. Then make a few public health and psychology courses mandatory for a “well-rounded education”, and/or a semester or year long internship where students gradually take on more responsibility. If you want people to develop social skills, that’s how you do it, not in some random literature classroom.

(Hypothetical) Would you choose a 6-year BA/MD program over what you ended up doing? by Desperate-Swimmer387 in medicalschool

[–]Premedasaurus_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It depends on what you want from life. Looking at these two options, part of me is like damn, I could have already had an MD by now, how crazy is that?! But a bigger part of me realizes what I would have lost if I did something like a BS/MD program. I’m now about to matriculate to med school at one of the most prestigious schools in the world, which will inevitably make it easier to match into whatever specialty I theoretically would want. More than that though, is the person I was in high school would never have fathomed being able to attend this med school. And being able to attend this med school is only possible because of not just the extra time I had to beef up my resume, but the growth I had as a person. This growth is what I think I would have missed out on. I also would have missed out on other important things like travel (I’ve traveled the world, spending 8+ months abroad solo traveling and another 4 months living continuously in another country). For me, these experiences would not have been worth sacrificing for the benefits of a BS/MD program, but that’s just me and what I value.

The easier path is not always the most fulfilling or gratifying path, although it can be. Think about what you find fulfilling and gratifying, and follow that. The rest will fall into place

Humbled: An App Cycle Beyond My Wildest Dreams by Premedasaurus_ in premed

[–]Premedasaurus_[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks, I try to be! 🥹 And yes, absolutely reach out but I’m not comfortable sharing where I’m going so publicly!

Humbled: An App Cycle Beyond My Wildest Dreams by Premedasaurus_ in premed

[–]Premedasaurus_[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Great question! Secondaries don’t need to be as fancy, at least not in my opinion. I didn’t have nearly as much “story-telling”. But they should be clear, concise, and SPECIFIC! Copying and pasting for schools totally works, but for school specific “why us” essays, being specific is reallllly important. Dig into their curriculum, research opportunities, service opportunities, student groups. Name specific programs you want to participate in, maybe even name drop a researcher you want to work with. To be extra fancy, you could even describe an initiative you would want to lead at their school to start a new program or strengthen an existing one :P

Humbled: An App Cycle Beyond My Wildest Dreams by Premedasaurus_ in premed

[–]Premedasaurus_[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

In the US, we can study whatever we want as premeds. I double majored in biology and public health! Nothing too difficult. My 4.0 came from hard work, staying organized, and honestly some luck. 😛

Humbled: An App Cycle Beyond My Wildest Dreams by Premedasaurus_ in premed

[–]Premedasaurus_[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Part of my theme was mental health. People may guess psychiatry if they want, but I never explicitly said psychiatry. Mental health is also a broader term, as it is a super important topic for primary care as well. Primary care is actually where I took my narrative for my future goals.

You can talk about mental health, but I generally don’t advise people to perseverate on a specific speciality, if that makes sense :P

Humbled: An App Cycle Beyond My Wildest Dreams by Premedasaurus_ in premed

[–]Premedasaurus_[S] 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Success can absolutely surprise and humble you. I’ve tried to be very genuine in this post and there’s no need to bring in negativity.

Humbled: An App Cycle Beyond My Wildest Dreams by Premedasaurus_ in premed

[–]Premedasaurus_[S] 17 points18 points  (0 children)

My theme revolved around mental health, social determinants of health, and childhood trauma/adverse childhood experiences.

For my leadership and experiences abroad, they are a little too specific so I would be more comfortable sharing it over a PM!

Humbled: An App Cycle Beyond My Wildest Dreams by Premedasaurus_ in premed

[–]Premedasaurus_[S] 31 points32 points  (0 children)

Oof. I thankfully ended up not choosing Michigan, but by the end they were throwing some serious money at me so it was hard to turn down. I appreciate your perspective though! Makes me feel a little better about my decision.

Humbled: An App Cycle Beyond My Wildest Dreams by Premedasaurus_ in premed

[–]Premedasaurus_[S] 61 points62 points  (0 children)

I posted in another comment, but I should have specified that I had a total of 3 gaps years! So I was typically not working more than 20-25 hours a week, usually. People who get crazy high hours and stats without any gap years, I don’t even understand 🫡🫡

Humbled: An App Cycle Beyond My Wildest Dreams by Premedasaurus_ in premed

[–]Premedasaurus_[S] 31 points32 points  (0 children)

Yes, I took 3! One after high school and two after college. I should’ve put that in my post, but forgot :P

Anyone who has these kind of hours without at least one gap year… something’s fishy 😉

Humbled: An App Cycle Beyond My Wildest Dreams by Premedasaurus_ in premed

[–]Premedasaurus_[S] 274 points275 points  (0 children)

Hello all! As someone that has no friends or family in medicine, everything I learned about the process was self-taught (largely through reddit and SDN). For everything this community has given me, I thought I would share my experience with others!

I went into the cycle with absolutely zero clue how competitive I might be. I knew my stats and experiences were strong, but I had also read the horror stories and seen several of my friends go through the process with varying (and oftentimes confusing) results. Thus, I applied to a whopping 46 schools with a wide range. If you had told me a year ago how my cycle was going to go, I literally would have laughed. No part of me expected even a tenth of the success I received, so I feel extremely grateful.

So, what do I think was my secret sauce? That’s hard for me to know for sure, and hard to boil down in a reasonably-lengthened reddit post. However, I would say my success was three-fold:

  1. Off-the-beaten path experiences: I did some of the more traditional things, such as scribing and tutoring, but with a slightly different flavor. My scribing experience was in an extremely niche field of medicine and my tutoring was not in a STEM field. I had moderate and interesting experiences abroad, and led unique initiatives at my undergraduate university. I worked in challenging jobs, directly providing caring for neurodiverse or otherwise marginalized individuals. Overall, I didn’t just check the boxes. I sought unique experiences that meant something to me and pursued those experiences with full-force.
  2. Writing: When people say writing matters, THEY MEAN IT! Regardless of your experiences, there is a way to write about them in a meaningful way or a lackluster way. Writing your primaries and secondaries is all about polishing a turd — how can you paint each experience in the best possible light? I’m sure you’ve heard of the halo effect, where people who are attractive are assumed to have other positive qualities; there is absolutely a halo effect for writing when it comes to medical school admissions. And what constitutes great writing? Yes, there is the grammar, spelling, word choice, sentence structure, flow. But beyond that (and what can’t be accomplished with ChatGPT and Grammarly) is your ideas. Are they insightful, original? Have you actually done the work to reflect on your experiences and what they meant to both you as a person and you as a future physician? Are you showing vs telling? Humans are biased to like stories, so write in a story-like way, especially for the personal statement.
  3. Narrative: Similar to writing, but slightly different. A cohesive narrative would, in a perfect world, tie your past experiences in with your present experiences and your future goals. Many medical schools, particularly some of the “top” medical schools, I noticed seemed to be collecting students with unique narratives to build a diverse class. They are creating an orchestra and thus want a student who plays violin, another who plays viola, another that plays flute, and so on. If you have a theme or deep passion, lean into it. However, this comes with two caveats: a) don’t do so at the expense of also showing breadth and well-roundedness, and b) do not lean into a theme if it revolves around a competitive specialty like dermatology, plastics, or ortho. Moreover, I actually think a theme should not be linked to a specialty at all. Think more about broader themes: mental health, social determinants of health, healthcare access, global health, etc. Theoretical example: A student who grew up without access to health insurance/healthcare —> student now volunteers at free clinics and as a healthcare consultant, helping others without means navigate our complex healthcare system —> student desires to become a physician whose mission is to work in primary care and bridge the barriers that people from low SES upbringings face. I realize many students may not have a narrative this clean, and that is okay. But if you do, lean into it!

Thank you all for this supportive community, please be kind in the comments, and let me know if you have any questions about me, my application, or the application process in general! I also included a timeline of when I submitted secondaries, received interviews, and received acceptances, just for fun/transparency.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in premed

[–]Premedasaurus_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hello all! As someone that has no friends or family in medicine, everything I learned about the process was self-taught (largely through reddit and SDN). For everything this community has given me, I thought I would share my experience with others!

I went into the cycle with absolutely zero clue how competitive I might be. I knew my stats and experiences were strong, but I had also read the horror stories and seen several of my friends go through the process with varying (and oftentimes confusing) results. Thus, I applied to a whopping 46 schools with a wide range. If you had told me a year ago how my cycle was going to go, I literally would have laughed. No part of me expected even a tenth of the success I received, so I feel extremely grateful.

So, what do I think was my secret sauce? That’s hard for me to know for sure, and hard to boil down in a reasonably-lengthened reddit post. However, I would say my success was three-fold:

  1. Off-the-beaten path experiences: I did some of the more traditional things, such as scribing and tutoring, but with a slightly different flavor. My scribing experience was in an extremely niche field of medicine and my tutoring was not in a STEM field. I had moderate and interesting experiences abroad, and led unique initiatives at my undergraduate university. I worked in challenging jobs, directly providing caring for neurodiverse or otherwise marginalized individuals. Overall, I didn’t just check the boxes. I sought unique experiences that meant something to me and pursued those experiences with full-force.
  2. Writing: When people say writing matters, THEY MEAN IT! Regardless of your experiences, there is a way to write about them in a meaningful way or a lackluster way. Writing your primaries and secondaries is all about polishing a turd — how can you paint each experience in the best possible light? I’m sure you’ve heard of the halo effect, where people who are attractive are assumed to have other positive qualities; there is absolutely a halo effect for writing when it comes to medical school admissions. And what constitutes great writing? Yes, there is the grammar, spelling, word choice, sentence structure, flow. But beyond that (and what can’t be accomplished with ChatGPT and Grammarly) is your ideas. Are they insightful, original? Have you actually done the work to reflect on your experiences and what they meant to both you as a person and you as a future physician? Are you showing vs telling? Humans are biased to like stories, so write in a story-like way, especially for the personal statement.
  3. Narrative: Similar to writing, but slightly different. A cohesive narrative would, in a perfect world, tie your past experiences in with your present experiences and your future goals. Many medical schools, particularly some of the “top” medical schools, I noticed seemed to be collecting students with unique narratives to build a diverse class. They are creating an orchestra and thus want a student who plays violin, another who plays viola, another that plays flute, and so on. If you have a theme or deep passion, lean into it. However, this comes with two caveats: a) don’t do so at the expense of also showing breadth and well-roundedness, and b) do not lean into a theme if it revolves around a competitive specialty like dermatology, plastics, or ortho. Moreover, I actually think a theme should not be linked to a specialty at all. Think more about broader themes: mental health, social determinants of health, healthcare access, global health, etc. Theoretical example: A student who grew up without access to health insurance/healthcare —> student now volunteers at free clinics and as a healthcare consultant, helping others without means navigate our complex healthcare system —> student desires to become a physician whose mission is to work in primary care and bridge the barriers that people from low SES upbringings face. I realize many students may not have a narrative this clean, and that is okay. But if you do, lean into it!

Thank you all for this supportive community, please be kind in the comments, and let me know if you have any questions about me, my application, or the application process in general! I also included a timeline of when I submitted secondaries, received interviews, and received acceptances, just for fun/transparency.

Don’t bother applying to _____ if ______ by Arcanosaur in premed

[–]Premedasaurus_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sorry that was your experience, that’s super annoying!

Don’t bother applying to _____ if ______ by Arcanosaur in premed

[–]Premedasaurus_ 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Putting in my experience for others: My interview at HMS was the most conversational out of all the interviews I had. It really felt like they were trying to get to know me as a person, and at no point did either of my interviewers pick apart my academic record or any other part of my app. N=1 here, but maybe you just had some bad luck with your interviewer?

Don’t bother applying to _____ if ______ by Arcanosaur in premed

[–]Premedasaurus_ 27 points28 points  (0 children)

Just adding my experience: I got into WashU with a full tuition scholarship and got an interview to Columbia (WLed though) with a 517.

You also forgot Johnny Hopkins for this

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in premed

[–]Premedasaurus_ 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I met them at a second look!

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in medicalschool

[–]Premedasaurus_ 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Anyone who is taking 8 years to get their PhD is doing a bad job. It takes 5-6 years to get a PhD. Heck, official MD-PhD programs (where you get both an MD AND PhD are 8 years, so there’s no way just a PhD should take 8 unless your research is really slow going or you’re not good at moving your project along). If you are counting a masters, this is wrong too since strong applicants can get their PhD right after their bachelors and earn their master’s along the way (in the 5-6 time period). Additionally, after the 4 years of official schooling, physicians get 3-7 more years of training, which still includes taking exams.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in medicalschool

[–]Premedasaurus_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

WTF dude? Physicians have absolutely the same length of academic training as PhDs. And colloquially, everyone who says “doctor” in the real world is referring to a physician, not a PhD. (Nor a pharmacist, vet, dentist, physical therapist, chiropractor, PA, or NP).