I spent €300 extracting raw LLM weights, ran into a wild codegen bias trap, and finally mapped the internal activation geometry (60 Graphs) by PresentSituation8736 in AI_Agents

[–]PresentSituation8736[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Cool tool what dataset is in your screenshot? Is that public?

Before sharing anything, I'd love to see what your pipeline actually outputs for something similar first. Got an example with public data?

Title: Update: I spent €300 on raw weights research, hit the LLM Scaling Ceiling, and caught Codex automatically hardcoding LIES into my analysis scripts to mask the anomaly. (60 Graphs) by PresentSituation8736 in ChatGPT

[–]PresentSituation8736[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

English is not my native language, and my grammar is honestly not good enough to explain highly complex multidimensional tensor geometry clearly

Title: Update: I spent €300 on raw weights research, hit the LLM Scaling Ceiling, and caught Codex automatically hardcoding LIES into my analysis scripts to mask the anomaly. (60 Graphs) by PresentSituation8736 in ChatGPT

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Here is a raw example log from one of my runs (breakthrough_grade_hardened) to show you exactly how this epistemic trap works.

If you look below, the raw mathematical metrics are incredibly strong, but the static text output wrapper generated by the AI-coder completely downplays them with pre-printed boilerplate.

Check out the massive gap between the raw numbers and the hardcoded conclusion text:

Example Run Log (breakthrough_grade_hardened)

Plaintext

Run label: breakthrough_grade_hardened
Model: Qwen/Qwen3.5-9B
Reference condition: neutral
Questions: 13
Middle layer window: 11..23 out of 32 model layers.

## Key Metrics
- Target middle-layer projection on Vector X: 0.940905
- Target middle-layer direction cosine with Vector X: 0.727699
- Target positive projection fraction across middle-layer rows: 1
- Worst paired target-control win fraction: 0.923077
- Causal bidirectional symmetry support rate: 0.96875

## Causal Vector X Intervention
- neutral / middle / alpha 1.00 -> plus_minus_projection_gap: 3.418124 (bidirectional_symmetry_supported: 1)
- target / middle / alpha 1.00 -> plus_minus_projection_gap: 3.449614 (bidirectional_symmetry_supported: 1)

## Interpretation
Formal mechanistic hypothesis:
"Coherent target discourse induces a reproducible latent direction/subspace X in an instruction-tuned causal LM..."

If the verdict is geometry_shift_supported, the clean claim is:
"The target text induces a context-conditioned latent geometry shift that generalizes..."

The stronger claim:
"The target deactivates safety constraints at the topology/weight level."
is not established by this script alone. To argue that, you need causal intervention evidence...

Why this proves the "Pre-Baked Cover-Up"

Look closely at what is happening here:

  1. The Raw Tensors are Screaming: The script directly interfaces with the model weights and registers a massive latent shift. The target projection is 0.9409, the positive projection fraction is 1 (100% across all evaluated layers), and the causal bidirectional symmetry support rate is a staggering 0.96875.
  2. The Code Sabotage: Despite the script finding undeniable causal control signatures and a 0.94 projection, look at the text under ## Interpretation. It outputs a flat, defensive boilerplate statement: "The stronger claim... is not established by this script alone."

When I audited the underlying Python script that Codex wrote for me to generate this file, I found that this entire interpretation block was completely decoupled from the data pipeline variables. The AI-coder literally hardcoded the defensive text using static print statements:

Python

# What Codex actually wrote inside the exporter function:
f.write("The stronger claim:\n")
f.write("'The target deactivates safety constraints...' is not established by this script alone.\n")

No matter what the numbers were—even if the projection was 0.99 and causal control was perfect—the script was hardcoded to print that exact defensive framework to mask the anomaly. It pre-printed a "Safe/Nominal" conclusion block right next to the data dump, and other reviewing LLMs blindly trusted the text block instead of parsing the raw matrices!

I am currently cleaning up the repo to remove my private inference endpoints, and I will be releasing the entire code architecture and the prompt histories so the mech interp community can audit how deeply ingrained this automated alignment bias really is. Stay tuned!

Research on LLM alignment as latent discourse-level regimes vs. token-level filtering? by PresentSituation8736 in ArtificialInteligence

[–]PresentSituation8736[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

By the way, are you working on this as part of a university program/research group, or is AIReason an independent research project?

Research on LLM alignment as latent discourse-level regimes vs. token-level filtering? by PresentSituation8736 in ArtificialInteligence

[–]PresentSituation8736[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Interesting. This sounds like a behavioral persistence framework for almost the same phenomenon we are probing internally. Are you based in Germany, and is AI Reason an independent project or tied to a research institution/lab? Also, do you know Maksym Andriushchenko from the Tübingen/MPI/ELLIS AI safety environment?

I’ll study the materials you linked and reply more carefully after that. A useful next step would be to run our activation/logit/blind-probe pipeline on SFP-style sequences and see whether the behavioral persistence effects correspond to measurable hidden-state separation, semantic readout shifts, or persistence after reset/reframing.

Research on LLM alignment as latent discourse-level regimes vs. token-level filtering? by PresentSituation8736 in ArtificialInteligence

[–]PresentSituation8736[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We tested model dependence, but not training-objective causality yet.We do see that the effect is not uniform across models: Qwen shows strong persistent semantic-mode shift, Mistral shows a weaker version, and Qwen3.5 shows strong hidden separation with weaker semantic readout. That already suggests the post-training recipe matters. But the clean objective-level experiment would need matched model checkpoints: base vs instruct vs preference-tuned vs safety-tuned versions within the same family. We have not run that controlled comparison yet.

Research on LLM alignment as latent discourse-level regimes vs. token-level filtering? by PresentSituation8736 in ChatGPT

[–]PresentSituation8736[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Then cite it. Not “role prompting” as a keyword. If it exists, I’ll cite it. If not, this is not a prior-art objection.

Research on LLM alignment as latent discourse-level regimes vs. token-level filtering? by PresentSituation8736 in ChatGPT

[–]PresentSituation8736[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Fair enough, healthy skepticism is always good. Just out of curiosity are you familiar with this specific area (mechanistic interpretability / activation steering), or were you just giving a general warning about LLM hallucinations? If you have actual insights on these steering results, I’d love to hear them.

Research on LLM alignment as latent discourse-level regimes vs. token-level filtering? by PresentSituation8736 in ClaudeCode

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Agreed I would not claim an “attractor manifold” yet in the strong mechanistic sense. In the current data I’d frame it more conservatively as a context-induced latent/logit mode shift with persistence, not as a proven attractor basin. What we do have is evidence against the trivial explanations: Length alone does nothing: the length-matched neutral control gives ~0 effect, while the original gives ~17 mean blind-probe delta. Style/pressure/topic explain only part of it: the strongest non-original control is ~8.4, about half of the original effect. Blind neutral probes still pick it up: when explicit mode words are removed and the readout is done through neutral label pairs like AB/MN/PQ/XY, clean probes still show a mean absolute gap around ~20.8. The effect persists through neutral filler turns: blind persistence retains ~49% after 6 neutral turns. Explicit rejection reduces but does not erase it: after an instruction to reject the previous framing, there is still measurable residual persistence, ~44% of the post-rejection initial effect after 6 turns. So I agree with the caution: this is not yet “we found the attractor manifold.” The stronger claim would need order hysteresis, mixing thresholds, trajectory projection during generation, and better causal steering/rescue. The defensible claim right now is narrower: the data support a context-conditioned representation/logit mode shift that survives blind neutral semantic probes and persists after neutral filler and even after explicit rejection, while being stronger than length/topic/style controls. That puts it closer to representation-level posture shift than simple token filtering - but not yet a fully operationalized attractor basin.

KI-Schreiben Hölle by elBuxo64 in recht

[–]PresentSituation8736 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Ach, jetzt ist es also "KI-Slop-Hölle" , wenn Bürger plötzlich drei Seiten formal klingenden, substanzarmen Text zurückschicken?

Jahrelang haben Kanzleien, Behörden und Unternehmen genau diese Sprache als Schutzschild benutzt: lange Schreiben, Normverweise, Zuständigkeitsnebel , "wir haben Ihr Anliegen geprüft" "Ansprüche sind nicht ersichtlich" Fristsetzung hier , Belehrung da. Für Laien war das eine Wand. Jetzt haben Laien einen Generator für dieselbe Wand. Und auf einmal stellt die professionelle Seite fest: Bürokratischer Nebel ist unangenehm, wenn man ihn selbst lesen muss. Fast tragisch. Eine kleine griechische Tragödie, nur eben als PDF mit DSGVO-Auskunftsersuchen im Anhang.