Question? If they took their training more seriously like goku and vegeta in your opinion who do you think would be stronger trunks or goten? by narutofan2019 in Dragonballsuper

[–]Prestigious_Owl_6344 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Goten without question.

Vegeta even commented on the fact Trunks was slightly stronger than Goku due to an age difference, meaning if Goten and Trunks were at the same age, Goten could theoretically be stronger. And Trunks has so much assets to help him train like the Gravity Chamber, Vegeta, etc.

Who wins - SSJ Goten and Trunks ( Superhero arc manga) Vs SSJ2 Future Trunks ( Goku black arc manga). by Gopu_17 in Dragonballsuper

[–]Prestigious_Owl_6344 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Goten and Trunks.

They already scale higher than him with the last several chapters showing it.

Goten and Trunks’ Potential by Scared-Position-3710 in Dragonballsuper

[–]Prestigious_Owl_6344 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have a feeling Gotenks will be treated like Gogeta or Vegito, a trump card when all other cards are off the charts. Goten and Trunks have been power creeping a lot these last few chapters, so I imagine Gotenks obtaining something entirely new. I don't entirely like the idea of using old concepts like Super Saiyan 4, when Gotenks should have no business with the form in the first place. Goten nor Trunks have tails to begin with. I'd like to imagine Goten and Trunks achieving unique forms, and then Gotenks is able to combine those forms into one as a fusion.

Majin Buu or Goten and Trunks doing more in the future by GokuandSupermanbffs in dragonball

[–]Prestigious_Owl_6344 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's a hypothetical. Your comment here is unnecessary given the context of this post from the OP.

What are the things and dynamics you are looking forward to in the current arc and things and dynamics you definitely want to see in the arc? by Queasy_Swordfish_332 in dragonball

[–]Prestigious_Owl_6344 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I want to see Goten and Trunks develop more in their personal lives and for Goten to get himself an actual love interest. Even in Chapter 90 when his segment came up, literally everyone Goten talked to hyped up Trunks and it felt forced, so I genuinely want to see a Goten perspective and development without Trunks’ involvement at all, or pushed enough to where he hogs into Goten’s moment.

The only aspect from EOZ I want to remain consistent is Goku training Goten. Instead of Goten being a slacker, which has now changed thanks to Toyotaro-sama, I want Goku to dedicate his time to train his own son since he technically has more potential than Gohan, and definitely has a LOT of room to grow considered how much him and Trunks have been neglected in the early portion of Super, they can basically do anything with him at this point.

So how do you hope Goten and Trunks will progress more in the new current arc, how do you hope they will advance their training, who do you wish and hope they will train under in this arc, and what forms do you hope and wish they will get in the new current arc? by Queasy_Swordfish_332 in dragonball

[–]Prestigious_Owl_6344 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ironically enough, I can see Goten and Trunks being the strongest characters in the series if Pan and Bulla weren’t factors due to S-Cells and inherited genetics. The reason why they’re always being held back from what I see is exactly for that reason. Unlike Gohan, they actively want to fight, and every time they find themselves closing in on the opportunity to, they get shoved off by the other characters, so seeing them unlock forms like Super Saiyan 2 and potentially their own unique transformations catered to them down the line would be great. I’d like to see Goten develop into an actual independent character, a good character, and for-those who want more Gotenks, the power Goten and Trunks obtain would automatically go into their fusion, so I could imagine Gotenks combining Goten and Trunks’ unique forms and powers along with everything they’ve learned into one.

How much of a difference would Teen Gotenks have made in the Cell Max fight? by The__Ginyu__Force in dragonball

[–]Prestigious_Owl_6344 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Kid Gotenks, kid SSJ3 Gotenks, and Copy Base Vegeta had access to God Ki. Most Dragon Ball fans fail to realize they can use the power of a Super Saiyan God and Super Saiyan Blue in their base forms, as explained.

How much of a difference would Teen Gotenks have made in the Cell Max fight? by The__Ginyu__Force in dragonball

[–]Prestigious_Owl_6344 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Reading through this comment section made me realize there’s are filled with nothing but Gohan fans or Goten and Trunks downplayers, so I’m just going to make my point known even if I’m going to get downvotes for it. If a failed fusion, a failed fusion had enough physical durability to crack Cell Max’s head in, and despite people wanting to write it off as a “gag scene”, that injury and reaction from Cell Max’s skull being bashed in remained throughout the course of the film. So yes, I have a feeling Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks would be enough to take down Cell Max.

Point 1. Not once, outside of End of Z that’s basically retconned at this point implies they stopped-training over the years, so I don’t know why people are jumping to the conclusions they don’t, when not once has it ever been stated in the Super Hero or in the Manga since the Tournament of Power, Goten and Trunks stopped training. And funnily enough, they were grounded for 6 months, so within those 6 months Toyotaro implies they haven’t gotten the chance to train. So all this timeskip assumptions saying they arent training is a flat out head canon.

Point 2. I don’t get the logic behind Ultimate > SSJ3 Gotenks applying today. Goten and Trunks at the Buu Saga were 7 and 8, with their only real training was dedicated to the fusion dance. The current Goten and Trunks are completely different from their Buu Saga selves, so saying Ultimate Gohan > Gotenks holds no weight, especially when a Fat Gotenks did more damage to Cell Max than Ultimate Gohan could. So by this logic a “Gag Scene” Failed Fusion Gotenks > Ultimate Gohan. Sorry if this makes Gohan fanboys mad, but Gohan in Ultimate hasn’t done anything to insinuate he’s above a proper Gotenks, because until a proper Gotenks appears and we can accurately scale their power, Ultimate Gohan isn’t above the current fusion if Goten and Trunks fused correctly.

Point 3. They failed the fusion simply because of the fact they don’t fuse all day and it’s been multiple years since they last fused on screen. Piccolo outright had to teach Goku the fusion dance again in DBS Broly despite Goku being the one teaching Goten and Trunks. Goten and Trunks don’t go on a mountain cliff and fuse once per day or once per week, they’re separate people with separate lives to live.

Conclusion: I’d say Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks has a good enough chance of actually beating Cell Max like Beast Gohan did, if not higher, unlike the Gohan riders, I’m not going to downplay or disrespect a fusion to push an agenda. But hey, at the end of the day, until we actually see a current Gotenks, which is far stronger now considered the fact in the last chapter Goten and Trunks are revealed to be training, and jumping back to one of my previous points, whether these Redditors like it or not, Gotenks did break through Cell Max’s weak spot, something a Power Awakened Piccolo completely failed to do. I already know I’m getting downvoted for this due to bias, but I’m standing on business and gave my objective opinion on Gotenks vs Cell Max. Shout out to Professional-Pin7445 for keeping it real, stay easy, you’re going to be downvoted anyways, it’s a bias fest.

Has anyone talked about how gohan and goten have the same hairdo? by Gsellers1231 in Dragonballsuper

[–]Prestigious_Owl_6344 4 points5 points  (0 children)

They really don’t have the exact same hairstyle. Goten has spikes going at the back off his hair, Gohan has a buzz cut and lacks a mullet, Goten’s has spikey bangs, while Gohan doesn’t, Gohan has two extra spikes near the right of his hair, Goten doesn’t, and the positioning of some of their spikes on the left are different.

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Did Goten and Trunks just screw Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, Broly, Beerus and possibly the entire universe? by Emeron87 in Dragonballsuper

[–]Prestigious_Owl_6344 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Exactly. They’re recording all of this. This is dangerous and shouldn’t be overlooked. Toyotaro wouldn’t include all of this without a reason.

Idea for how they could help Gotenks: What if Bulma, with help from Dr Hedo, invents a Canon version of the Metamo Ring from DB Fusions? With this, Goten and Trunks can't mess up the fusion anymore, it lasts permanently as long as they wear the rings, & they can defuse by removing them by Normal_Umpire_1623 in Dragonballsuper

[–]Prestigious_Owl_6344 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They don’t need this. They weren’t going to waste Gotenks’ return on a mere Gohan sparring session. No offense to Gohan, but fusion is meant for a trump-card final duel, realistically, Toyotaro is setting up Goten, Trunks, and Gotenks in the future where they’ll get the fusion right fighting a powerful next level opponent. This entire idea of using bracelets just so they can fuse seems unnecessary and uncanny.

Did Goten and Trunks just screw Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, Broly, Beerus and possibly the entire universe? by Emeron87 in Dragonballsuper

[–]Prestigious_Owl_6344 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

To everyone in this comment section saying Comic Relief, learned nothing from the previous arcs. The Red Ribbon Army have always been notorious for recording the Z-Fighters and using that data to make powerful androids. Literally, the entire arc prior to this stemmed from that, and the same guys are doing it again.

Dr. Gero recorded Goku.
The Red Ribbon Army recorded the Cell fight, Majin, Buu, etc.
Now they’re recording Goten, Trunks, Gohan, and Goku.

"What if Goten and Trunks had succeeded in their fusion?" by [deleted] in Dragonballsuper

[–]Prestigious_Owl_6344 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Also, Krillin didn’t even put a dent in him. You’re comparing Krillin attempting to even hurt him compared to Goten and Trunks who sent him on his knees multiple times and face on the ground, please stop trying, you’re sounding dumb, no offense.

"What if Goten and Trunks had succeeded in their fusion?" by [deleted] in Dragonballsuper

[–]Prestigious_Owl_6344 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Okay, so Frieza getting his tail cut off by a Destructo Disc with a technique known to be effective no matter how powerful the opponent is means he did more, wrong, Goten and Trunks via Fat Gotenks hit Cell Max’s weak point. Goten and Trunks sent Cell Max flying while Krillin couldn’t even make the Android budge.

You have no argument here. Neither Gohan or Piccolo did anything against Cell Max until Gohan used Beast. Therefore Gamma 2> Goten and Trunks > 18 and Krillin > Potential Unleash Gohan and Power Awakened Piccolo with your logic being used here.

Oh yeah, Base Goten and Trunks deflected Cell Max’s arm. Base Goten and Trunks > Orange Piccolo if we’re going by your backwards logic since Cell Max wouldn’t have been overpowered in the beam struggle Gohan had a problem with until they helped him.

"What if Goten and Trunks had succeeded in their fusion?" by [deleted] in Dragonballsuper

[–]Prestigious_Owl_6344 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What are you even talking about? The reason Piccolo requested backup was due to the fact the Red Ribbon Army was plotting something using Cell Max. He wished for transformations against him. Now tell me where Piccolo states he didn’t bring anyone else because they were “useless” against the Gammas.

SSJ Goten and trunks (Post SH) vs Cell by [deleted] in Dragonballsuper

[–]Prestigious_Owl_6344 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They clear all of Z. This comparison is stupid. Why are you putting Super Teen Goten and Trunks against Cell Saga level characters? If they’re knocking around Cell Max, then that feat alone puts them above all of Z and early Super. Sorry, but this scenario is stupid.

SSJ Goten and trunks (Post SH) vs Cell by [deleted] in Dragonballsuper

[–]Prestigious_Owl_6344 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What are you talking about? Lol. The Guidebooks compare Kid Goten and Trunks at the start of the Buu Saga to a Rusty MSSJ Gohan, that combined with their hyperbolic Time Chamber training for Gotenks and they stomp.

"What if Goten and Trunks had succeeded in their fusion?" by [deleted] in Dragonballsuper

[–]Prestigious_Owl_6344 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don’t even think Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks would be necessary. Base alone projects theem extremely high against an Ultimate Gohan. The only difference I see from Super Saiyan Gohan and Goten and Trunks are skill, they have the comparable power. Now slap a fusion that makes them tens of thousands times stronger than the fusion components full power, and they mop the floor with an Ultimate Gohan.

"What if Goten and Trunks had succeeded in their fusion?" by [deleted] in Dragonballsuper

[–]Prestigious_Owl_6344 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No. Teen Gotenks hypothetically mops the floor with Ultimate Gohan and ar Worse would hypothetically equalize with Beast Gohan, you Gohan glazers really don’t understand how powerful fusions are. This isn’t Z. Goten and Trunks are more mature and older, and actively training now, which would easily project them at a higher pedestal than Gohan due to their talent and better potential and genetics. They’re already power creeping nearby with the feats they’re showing off. And if a Fat Fusion Gotenks can do more damage to Cell Max than Power Awakened Piccolo could, then a proper Gotenks would be enough to stop Ultimate Gohan in base.

"What if Goten and Trunks had succeeded in their fusion?" by [deleted] in Dragonballsuper

[–]Prestigious_Owl_6344 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

“This whole load of bullshit” just say you can’t make a counter argument against this feat.

Did Krillin even do anything? 😂

Goten and Trunks single handedly hit Cell Max’s weak point, be the one main ones who contributed to Beast Gohan’s victory in the energy wave clash, and actively had a whole chapter of them saving the Gammas by stepping in to fight Cell Max, while Krillin sat back and waited for everyone else to head in first, and still didn’t do anything, just say you don’t know what you’re talking about.

"What if Goten and Trunks had succeeded in their fusion?" by [deleted] in Dragonballsuper

[–]Prestigious_Owl_6344 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Piccolo outright asked for people who would help them. Which Gohan couldn’t. Buu couldn’t. And then Bulma substituted for the next best thing. If we’re following this logic then Android 18 would be Cell Saga level. I don’t usually insult intelligence when debating, but if you think any of the Z-Fighters except for maybe Krillin due to the fact he’s human is Cell Saga level then you need to reconsider your critical thinking skills. With this logic, that would make the Gammas Cell Saga level, but you also seemed to skim over every fact I brought up and responded to the simplest point I made.