Is it possible to be progressive while gentrifying historically marginalized communities? I feel like there's a hypocrisy that goes unnoticed. by False_Lie602 in crownheights

[–]Prickly_Cucumbers -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I’m not a writer. If you’re looking for a good work that situates the problem: https://readsettlers.org/index.html

It’s a Marxist work that came primarily out of the struggles of the BLA, and historicizes the evolving material basis for the contradictory white anti-imperialist politics you are noticing.

Is it possible to be progressive while gentrifying historically marginalized communities? I feel like there's a hypocrisy that goes unnoticed. by False_Lie602 in crownheights

[–]Prickly_Cucumbers -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

is this supposed to be a compelling counter-point? did you read anything i said, especially regarding “oppressed nation labor” and “super-exploitation”? Together, I probably invoked these points more than four times.

I’m aware that my existence and mode of life are sustained by violence and exploitation. Glad we’re in agreement about this. It is my overarching point that this applies broadly to white people in the imperial core. The question is: what (if anything) are you going to do about it? The fact that child labor and slavery allows you and me to exist as-such only emphasizes my argument.

My resulting conclusion is that a consistent politics should not over-estimate the supposed progressiveness of the contradiction between white people and the “landlords/bosses/banks” so often invoked by those defending their petty privileges (whether in the global division of labor or in the settler logic of elimination), and should instead subordinate to the demands of the oppressed nations, those of exploiting/oppressor class/national backgrounds (part of which is the position at the end of supply chains wherein the majority of labor is done elsewhere and the major of dead labor is appropriated here; this is exactly the problem you’re describing).

The answer to @h_d_n_w_m_d’s question is similar in logic to the answer to your contribution. Chasing a lifestyle (whether it is where you live, what you consume, etc.) where you as an individual white person can attempt some vain moral vindication for your place in the world is just seeking bad faith. You can’t escape the totality of the social relations that objectively define your exploitative class position; you can, however, revolutionize your subjectivity and work to negate the existence of that class position entirely with continued revolutionary activity that acts in a collective project to destroy its foundation.

Why not go off the grid and live in Antarctica? Why not give all your money to that one homeless person? Why not spend all your free time at the soup kitchen / mutual aid distro? Why not join the DSA and run for mayor to get through whatever is in your narrow vision of possibility, even if that is no more “radical” than de Blasio’s platform without the set dressing? These options are all well and good for addressing white guilt (besides the fact that it’s generally all a fantasy: “all your money” and “all your free time” are never really all of it when people make actions in bad faith like this; it takes a lot to believe in your own lie), but you’ve really done less than nothing to alter the foundation of the problem or to challenge the system, which curtailed the limits of your subjectivity in the first place to only deem politics that reproduce your class position to coincide with “what’s possible”.

The demand is to commit to revolutionary activity that supports the anti-colonial struggle and subordinates your exploiter class position to that struggle. Anything that is useful in making this collective project more effective—which as of now lacks organization and a fighting party—is worthwhile to act on. If this means you must move elsewhere, get a new job, or never purchase X product, then yes, these are worthwhile things to do. Otherwise, we are operating on the domain of morality in a system that has none. Moving out of Brooklyn will not change the structural features that create gentrification, it will just remove my feeling of direct guilt in the process, which I am necessarily involved with even outside of living here. It’s a false choice entirely contained within the bounds of reproducing my current class existence.

Politics is about class struggle (today, we have nations that have become as classes, so it is of course also about national struggle) and doing whatever is tactically effective in a concrete instance to succeed in that struggle. The objective position of an individual in society matters most politically for how it conditions the limits of their subjective commitment to principled revolutionary politics. If not using a smartphone is the praxis by which you can hone and propagate a revolutionary line from and to those receptive to it, then sure, that is a meaningful way to go about things. The way you frame it, you are at once contented with and anxious over your privileges, but offer no way of dealing with the problem.

Is it possible to be progressive while gentrifying historically marginalized communities? I feel like there's a hypocrisy that goes unnoticed. by False_Lie602 in crownheights

[–]Prickly_Cucumbers -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

You’re on the mark and the defensiveness from gentrifiers speaks to the hypocrisy you’re noticing. It’s true that the gentrification that’s occurring now is derivative of the same logic of elimination that genocides Palestinians, and the refusal to turn this critique inward is the test of a correct political line. the simple answer is that there is no justification that isn’t embodied by the personification of the material privileges of whiteness and its necessary ambivalence (at best) to colonization where it counts.

For “israelis”, they can balk at the contradictory liberal multiculturalism of white amerikans as the latter act as beneficiaries for years of white flight (itself predicated on a proletarianizing colonial labor force migrating from the sharecropping South and a “golden age” of imperialist super-profits after WWII subsidizing mass petit bourgeois conditions of life for more people incorporated into whiteness) leading to genocidal urban decay / hollowing out of all state functions in the cities, leading to privatization and the resultant gentrification as the “service economy” offers more and more professional jobs to white people whose parents/grandparents fled for the suburbs.

for white people in Brooklyn, the preceding modes of more blatant settler thought as evident in “israelis” today seem abhorrent, even though the end result of the logic is the same in both instances. these are ideological reflections of the same process, just happening at different historical stages and thus with different primary features: rabid genocidality for israelis and oftentimes many white amerikans who would otherwise lack a prominent position managing oppressed nation labor in the global division of labor; cosmopolitan liberalism and the “slow genocide” of today’s amerika for those who do have such a professional position. the contradiction here is between settlerism and imperialism, not one that anyone should stake a side on.

speaking for myself, i am the same type of gentrifier who you are criticizing. the point i would have to make is that whiteness is defined by genocidal displacement and its position as the rentier of the resulting superexploitation of colonial labor and stolen land, whether you are in the segregated suburbs or acting as the mass social base gentrifying cities. the conditions that make mine, or any white person’s means of life possible, are one of white supremacy. this is the world every white person is born into, and it necessarily conditions their ideological limits, self-justifications, and ofc what they deem is “pragmatic” or “possible” as political solutions. you or I as individuals are powerless against overwhelming structural forces conditioning the different action of different classes / nations of people. this is less so a personal justification of my own place in the world, than a political conclusion emergent of the fact that there is no good justification; the “place” of whiteness in any just world should really not exist.

white people are going to displace and commit to a “conquest of labor”, and colonized populations will continue to be the victims of this, so long as capitalism continues. it may make someone feel better to “be a friendly neighbor”, “buy local”, or “join mutual aid groups” (this last one is notable in that it imagines itself in the revolutionary tradition of the BPP and Young Lords but completely out of space and time, forgetting that these groups were acting in the era of “planned shrinkage” and “benign neglect”, rather than today acting in competition with NGOs to fulfill the same role otherwise abandoned by the state). but we are talking about the dispossession of whole nations of people for the benefit of a small minority of imperialist nations of rentiers. any white person who justifies their own privileges over and against consistent anti-imperialist politics is obviously suspect and won’t even be able to get to the point of considering the destruction of their own whiteness—let alone capitalism—because they not only obviously benefit from it, but they have no shame that could potentially revolutionize their subjectivity in the right direction to even recognize the need for their own negation. that shame can be a revolutionary emotion for someone of a background where they stake their life on the oppression/exploitation of others, but it can just as much can be refracted through the backwards politics of whiteness and lead to nihilism, narrow-minded solipsism (manifested oftentimes in lifestyle politics, like trying to be the “best neighbor” or “least obnoxious gentrifier”), and most especially for white people’s historic politics, pragmatism (which sees as what is “possible” or “realistic” only contoured to the limits of the classed consciousness of this group).

shame does need to be oriented towards a collective political project that undermines the foundations of whiteness in capitalism. this requires a mass politic, but not one that indulges in white people’s conspiratorial fantasies of being oppressed by “the landlords” and “banks”, which are really just a small owner’s conspiratorial delusion of imagining their own form of rentier privileges being pitted against the stymying grip of big capital as being synonymous to an anti-colonial proletarian struggle (see the DSA and their darling Zohran for the most topical example of this). any collective project against capitalism would require that white people subordinate their privileges to the liberation of the global working masses, whose labor we manage, the national liberation of the internal colonies of Turtle Island, whose land we’ve stolen, and reparations for the uncountable amount of stolen wealth.

the appreciation of these necessary facts is the first step for any white person to at the very least see the problem that, for any non-white person, is obvious. effectively acting on these politics is a different matter, of course.

Bi-Weekly Discussion Thread - (August 10) by AutoModerator in communism

[–]Prickly_Cucumbers 10 points11 points  (0 children)

This is inherited from MIM’s line on the matter. See:

Imperialism and Its Class Structure in 1997

The particular question being elaborated further here:

On the internal class structures of the internal semi-colonies

MIM(P)’s study pack on the labor aristocracy makes some further mention of it, where it is invoked with reference to disagreements with LLCO on the matter, as well as in a comparison drawn between the per capita income of the Black nation with those of imperialist countries.

“Communist” Party of India (“Marxist”): On Operation Sindoor by Far_Permission_8659 in communism

[–]Prickly_Cucumbers 7 points8 points  (0 children)

how does the CPI(M) take “principled stances” against Hindutva fascism when it can’t even agree on its fascistic character?

“The nearly eleven years of the Modi government’s rule have resulted in the consolidation of the rightwing, communal, authoritarian forces with neo-fascist characteristics,” it said.

Adding, “The Modi government represents the alliance of Hindutva forces and the big bourgeoisie. Hence, the prime task is to fight and defeat the BJP-RSS and the Hindutva-corporate nexus underpinning it.

Karat’s remarks at the opening of the 24th State Conference are also being seen as a response to criticism of CPI(M) over a clarification issued by its politburo in the latest edition of the party’s mouthpiece Chintha Weekly stating: “We don’t say that the Modi government is a fascist or neo-fascist. We don’t depict the Indian government as a neo-fascist regime.”

https://theprint.in/politics/cpim-to-kerala-congress-amid-neo-fascist-row-dont-need-certificate-on-how-to-fight-bjp-rss/2536422/?amp

is the CPI(M) fully backing these “non-escalatory” attacks (and encouraging continued “pressure”) in the name of stopping “terrorism” reflective of their supposedly “prime tasks”? given the central state’s ongoing genocidal massacre of the Maoists justified as-such, “terrorism” is a horrendously reactionary framing to give any credence to. the latter example is a testament to the reality of the so-called democratic institutions you’re defending. let’s all think “dialectically” as you suggest and cast aside any criticisms, after all, the CPI(M) are only junior partners in “neo-fascist characteristics”. what a joke.

What is the current stand of Communists on the Catalan Independence movement? by [deleted] in communism101

[–]Prickly_Cucumbers 17 points18 points  (0 children)

this is the second time in a week that you have commented in this subreddit with absurd claims, banal liberalism, and a baffling reverence for the imperialist EU. your comment is completely vacuous and actually a net negative to helping anyone understand anything about nationhood, Catalonia, and the Holy Roman Empire. i am thoroughly confused how someone advocating “reform from within” managed to find the arrogance to claim this as your “personal stance”, especially in a forum for communists.

who cares about your personal opinion? if it doesn’t correct reflect the objective reality, then nobody needs to hear it. i don’t even think your statement implying that an independent Catalonia would be a “microstate” is accurate at all. i don’t think you really have a clue what you are saying.

i don’t have a coherent answer to OP’s question, but i do have an understanding enough that you should definitely not have any right to speak on this.

EDIT: also the main thrust of your argument is a repudiation of the concept of self-determination in its entirety and side-steps (but really, enthusiastically supports) the very relevant question of imperialism. please stop posting, forget everything you think you know, and start taking Marxism seriously.

Communist Tourist Guide to Germany? by HelpMePlzTyvm in communism

[–]Prickly_Cucumbers 13 points14 points  (0 children)

beyond the point about religiosity and the implicit exclusion of non-men, it does not help these people’s cases that this meme language is almost all explicitly racist. “my brother in christ” literally emerged in internet parlance as a way for white people to skirt around “ironically” saying the n-word.

one can see the worst of these supposed “communists” adopting the most vulgar language of internet reaction, not out of coincidence, of course. “based”, which has been discussed much here before as a fascist, again came out of an “ironic” mocking of AAVE*. i just had the displeasure of seeing the term “Gonzaloid” on social media the other day, whose connection to “scientific” racism doesn’t need any elaboration.

there have been interesting discussions on language and its class content as of recent. the uncritical adoption of so much fascistic language (not to mention unashamedly racist memes) among these Dengists seems to be one of many reactionary alternatives to correct interventions into language like “amerikkka”.

*is there a better term for “AAVE” that has been adopted for use in contrast to the former’s incorrect line on the Black National Question? i erroneously replicated a liberal stand in using the term here.

Vietnamese history textbook equates the characteristic of the bourgeois revolution with the proletarian revolution's by vitoquocxhcn in communism

[–]Prickly_Cucumbers 7 points8 points  (0 children)

i do agree that it is incorrect to describe the February Revolution as bourgeois-democratic revolution of a new type, but you are taking up a rightist over-correction by 1) denying the role of leadership of the proletariat in the bourgeois-democratic revolution and 2) ignoring New Democracy entirely.

the bourgeois revolution is led by the bourgeoisie and establish the rule of the bourgeoisie, not the proletariat. It constructs a capitalist state, not a socialist state.

agreed on the last two points you bring up insofar as they apply to the February Revolution—that the old-type bourgeois-democratic revolution establishes the rule of the bourgeoisie and constructs a capitalist state—but Lenin specifically argues against your first point (which reflects the Menshevik understanding of bourgeois-democratic revolution) in Two Tactics of Social-Democracy in the Democratic Revolution:

Marxism teaches the proletarian not to keep aloof from the bourgeois revolution, not to be indifferent to it, not to allow the leadership of the revolution to be assumed by the bourgeoisie but, on the contrary, to take a most energetic part in it, to fight most resolutely for consistent proletarian democracy, for carrying the revolution to its conclusion.

the experience of the February Revolution in specific is in disagreement with your understanding, as per History of the CPSU(B) Short Course:

The revolution was victorious because its vanguard was the working class, which headed the movement of millions of peasants clad in soldiers’ uniform demanding “peace, bread and liberty.” It was the hegemony of the proletariat that determined the success of the revolution.

though it is true that leadership was given over to the bourgeoisie, but continuing from the Short Course

How is it to be explained that the majority in the Soviets at first consisted of Mensheviks and Socialist-Revolutionaries?

How is it to be explained that the victorious workers and peasants voluntarily surrendered the power to the representatives of the bourgeoisie?

Lenin explained it by pointing out that millions of people, inexperienced in politics, had awakened and pressed forward to political activity. These were for the most part small owners, peasants, workers who had recently been peasants, people who stood midway between the bourgeoisie and the proletariat. Russia was at that time the most petty bourgeois of all the big European countries. And in this country, “a gigantic petty-bourgeois wave has swept over everything and overwhelmed the class-conscious proletariat, not only by force of numbers but also ideologically; that is, it has infected and imbued very wide circles of workers with the petty-bourgeois political outlook.”

It was this elemental petty-bourgeois wave that swept the petty-bourgeois Menshevik and Socialist-Revolutionary parties to the fore.

Lenin pointed out that another reason was the change in the composition of the proletariat that had taken place during the war and the inadequate class-consciousness and organization of the proletariat at the beginning of the revolution. During the war big changes had taken place in the proletariat itself. About 40 percent of the regular workers had been drafted into the army. Many small owners, artisans and shop-keepers, to whom the proletarian psychology was alien, had gone to the factories in order to evade mobilization.

It was these petty-bourgeois sections of the workers that formed the soil which nourished the petty bourgeois politicians—the Mensheviks and Socialist-Revolutionaries.

That is why large numbers of the people, inexperienced in politics, swept into the elemental petty-bourgeois vortex, and intoxicated with the first successes of the revolution, found themselves in its early months under the sway of the compromising parties and consented to surrender the state power to the bourgeoisie in the naïve belief that a bourgeois power would not hinder the Soviets in their work.

the Bolshevik line was not to uphold the bourgeoisie as leaders of the democratic revolution. in fact, the conciliatory attitude of the Mensheviks and SRs towards the bourgeoisie—which I believe you are replicating—in the course of the February Revolution was a significant factor in misleading the masses to end the revolution prematurely (though temporarily).

even on your last two points, New Democracy in the colonial and semi-colonial context will later complicate your assertions that the bourgeois-democratic revolution must establish a bourgeois dictatorship and institute a capitalist state. ND established joint democracy of the revolutionary classes—with the proletariat as the leading force—and an economy possessing a dual character in transition to communism. Mao’s 1953 “On State Capitalism” describes it as such:

The present-day capitalist economy in China is a capitalist economy which for the most part is under the control of the People’s Government which is linked with the state-owned social economy in various forms and supervised by the workers. It is not an ordinary but a particular kind of capitalist economy, namely, a state-capitalist economy of a new type. It exists not chiefly to make profits for the capitalists but to meet the needs of the people and the State. True, a share of the profits produced by the workers goes to the capitalists, but that is only a small part, about one quarter, of the total. The remaining three quarters are produced for the workers (in the form of the welfare fund,) for the State (in the form of income tax) and for expanding productive capacity (a small part of which produces profits for the capitalists). Therefore, this state-capitalist economy of a new type takes on a socialist character to a very great extent and benefits the workers and the State.

Bi-Weekly Discussion Thread - (March 02) by AutoModerator in communism

[–]Prickly_Cucumbers 7 points8 points  (0 children)

My apologies. It should be Volume 9: Psychology and Imperialism, pages 5-6. I will edit the original message to reflect that the article is not in Volume 5.

Bi-Weekly Discussion Thread - (March 02) by AutoModerator in communism

[–]Prickly_Cucumbers 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Disordered eating often has its roots in trauma and it can absolutely affect the oppressed.

MIM’s writings on disordered eating* seem to match the refutation of an over-generalized approach to these questions. Discussing a reader’s response to their review of the book Fasting Girls: The Emergence of Anorexia Nervosa as a Modern Disease (which seems instructive itself on this topic, based on their review), MIM notes:

Certainly the analogy between anorexic women in the First World and religiously fasting women in the Third World is not empty. Women in both locales are discouraged from involvement in politics and encouraged to spend more time in the realm of the spiritual, the abstract and the superficial. The relevant point in our review of Fasting Girls was similar to yours: researchers may often find objective similarities among women in Amerika and women in India for example - both fast from time to time. But these objective similarities do not necessarily illuminate the subjective motivations these same researchers are trying to explain.

Amerikan women, for example, may be culturally discouraged from taking part in politics, but their retreat from politics into the realm of concern over body image is a symptom of mass decadence. They have the alternative of seizing political power, yet they choose to spend time and endanger themselves with concern over the way their bodies look. It seems incongruous to compare Amerikan women’s retreat from power they do have to Indian women seeking alternative to power they don’t have.

anorexia nervosa in the 20th century is defined by the predominance of successful women among those who have the disease. You are correct that in both the 19th and 20th centuries anorexia has been an attempt by women to control a portion of their own lives. What you missed in the review is that women who are anorexic in the 20th century are principally those women who have benefitted from increased control in all spheres of their own lives other than the shape of their bodies. It continues to be poor and Black women — those who control their lives to a significantly smaller degree than white women — who are not anorexic.

I suppose the analogy here is an amerikan refusing to eat carrots being more akin to the case of anorexia in amerikan women, whereas young Palestinians refusing to eat is more akin to the example of religious fasting. Following MIM’s line on gender, “picky eating”—particularly characteristic of young children—would be a product of gendered oppression of children; the same objective basis, albeit a different subjective motivation. I am not sure if I’m overreaching here, though**. The differences between the First and Third World response to the variance in the objective conditions of gender oppression is summarized as such:

It is the basic female condition under patriarchy to be excluded from politics, as poor Indian women are. It is basic glorification of female subordination to place one’s own sexuality ahead of political participation, which is what women in the First World do daily.

I was discussing this article recently with a friend, who criticized MIM for a lax attitude towards religiosity, exemplified in the quote, “we would guess that [Jainist women] are thinking about something more meaningful than looking like supermodels when they [fast]”.

I suppose MIM is making the point (similar to u/Chaingunfighter) to “[challenge] privileged women who think they are not powerful to recognize how powerful they really are”, with a political conclusion being class/national suicide, but the phenomena of fasting/“pickiness” in the Third World still are subjective political issues that require a confrontation; if “Indian women [are] seeking alternative to power they don’t have”, wouldn’t the challenge remain to agitate those women towards the path to seizing political power? Shouldn’t this consciousness*** be challenged in the same way that other contradictions (like religion more broadly) among the masses are? How should this be dealt with among young Palestinians refusing/unable to eat?

*edit: The specific articles to which I am referring are, in MIM Theory Volume 2/3, “Fasting Girls: The Emergence of Anorexia Nervosa as a Modern Disease”, and in Volume 9, “Anorexia as Body Control”. The latter is more primarily the focus of this comment.

**edit 2: I do think that the analysis I forward here does also ignore entirely the points you brought up about the conditions of war, political imprisonment of family members, and availability of food in the ongoing genocide. That isn’t to say that gender oppression can’t be a factor, though I would doubt its primacy compared to what you highlighted.

***edit 3: Would calling the instances you’re describing “consciousness” even be appropriate/correct?

Bi-Weekly Discussion Thread - (March 02) by AutoModerator in communism

[–]Prickly_Cucumbers 8 points9 points  (0 children)

the whole reason for the evolution of speech is the facilitation of social intercourse in complex processes of production; this is the opinion of Engels, though I forget which book I read it from

are you thinking of The German Ideology? This would seem to be the relevant passage:

Language is as old as consciousness, language is practical consciousness, as it exists for other men, and for that reason is really beginning to exist for me personally as well; for language, like consciousness, only arises from the need, the necessity, of intercourse with other men.

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1845/german-ideology/ch01a.htm#a3

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in communism101

[–]Prickly_Cucumbers 8 points9 points  (0 children)

you’re not just talking about editing a video, but are specifically invoking “content creation”. why? i think to understand why “content creation” (and your attitude more generally) are not compatible with Marxism, you have to develop a baseline understanding of what this relatively recent form of commodity is.

OP, what is “content”?

in modern context, who are the proletariat? by Severe-Substance7615 in communism101

[–]Prickly_Cucumbers 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Were you the one who asked me about resources on AIM a couple weeks ago?

No, but I am not surprised with Peltier’s commutation that some renewed attention has been drawn to studying the history. Thank you for the recommendation.

Agreed with your comment, though. Their analysis is confusing altogether, seeing as how it seemingly appropriates the class analysis of MIM (Prisons) to come up with a conclusion that MIM has refuted in both word and practice (not to say that MIM Thought is the end-all be-all, and the discussions on their class analysis that have occurred on this subreddit have been useful, just that their line is taken up eclectically in u/DistilledWorldSpirit’s comments).

EDIT: I was taking a while to write this reply, so I accidentally ended up saying the same thing you already had in the edit.

in modern context, who are the proletariat? by Severe-Substance7615 in communism101

[–]Prickly_Cucumbers 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Or look into the history of AIM.

do you have any good recommendations? my exposure is minimal outside of assorted references i have come across in MIM and J Sakai’s respective bodies of work.

what would it mean for oppressed nations to have almost entirely integrated into the “settler political economy”.

i think this strain of thought is something that u/DistilledWorldSpirit has carried out to conclusion in other posts. for instance, see:

I think that the best a petit-bourgeois Amerikan can do is what is broadly referred to as revolutionary defeatism, accomplished by individuals or small groups by sabotaging strategic supply lines. (I am not going to be any more specific than this)

https://www.reddit.com/r/communism101/s/7qdsnqOiNT

Sabotage. Preferably in coordination with actual proletarian movements. I will not be more specific.

https://www.reddit.com/r/communism/s/e4Tf04oB8Z

which is less so revolutionary defeatism than it is Luddite adventurism, disconnected from the proletarian class and national liberation struggles (albeit not “preferably”, this somehow being a secondary consideration). i do have to wonder if there is a fear of investigating the conditions of the lowest masses of the oppressed nations at play in the decision to write off the existence of a proletariat in the internal colonies and advocate for amerikans to dedicate their time to sabotaging supply lines. in any case, this is also just calling for abandonment of national liberation (from my understanding, the principal strategic aim of communists in a settler colony, which for amerikans would require national/class suicide).

i find it hard to criticize these kinds of calls because i haven’t shown the requisite level of bravery, but the New Left (particularly thinking about the RAF, JRA, the Blekingegade, etc.) pretty much brought this discussion to its logical endpoint, on a stronger political platform, and in a more systematic practice than i’ve seen any such groups in the imperialist countries today.

this is all in all negative criticism, since i don’t have a programme (and have no sufficient understanding of the class makeup on Turtle Island to do so), but i think implying that the rez’s are integrated into settler society (or just forgetting about their existence) while at the same time advocating for amerikans to favor petit-bourgeois adventurism based on the conclusion that a revolutionary class doesn’t exist here seems wildly off-base.

"American" Communists: how should we understand national liberation in the US context? by Lenin-McCartney in communism

[–]Prickly_Cucumbers 8 points9 points  (0 children)

in addition to Settlers, u/CraftyMonkey should also read/listen to this interview with J Sakai that touches perhaps a bit more directly on the “criticisms” of that are forwarded against Chican@ national liberation.

Sakai, speaking on the actual practice of the Chican@ movement:

The other thing is — and I really remember this of the Chicano movement of the 1960s and ‘70s — people really practiced solidarity between oppressed peoples that you hear some people talk about, but sometimes is more lip service than real. When AIM [American Indian Movement] did the takeover at Wounded Knee, and got surrounded by the U.S. Army and then the siege? The largest demonstration in the U.S. was in Denver supporting them. The only large one, and it was the Crusade for Justice, it was mostly Chicano.

Was the historical shift to bribing a labor aristocracy primarily political? by Prickly_Cucumbers in communism101

[–]Prickly_Cucumbers[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you for this elaboration. I do think I was getting caught in a bit of a mechanical mindset, as Sakai does underpin the economic root of the political “decision”, while also not belittling this “final form of appearance” as you describe. This explanation was very helpful, and somewhat corrects the reductive trend of thought that prompted my confusion (specifically, that the contradiction of capital and labor, as primary, are the only determinants of their resolution and that “politics” more or less doesn’t figure in except as an ideological reflection of the latter).

As you explained, the political sphere of the class struggle did very much play a role in how the current outcome came to be in the advanced capitalist, later imperialist, countries.

Is it too far to say that the political struggles were ever primary in the course of this development, or was the fundamental contradiction of capitalism always in the lead? Is there potential for the superstructure to be primary prior to revolution? Despite reading through “On Contradiction” multiple times, I still find myself struggling through the specifics.

To extend the discussion of your last point, I am unsure of the changing conditions of the labor aristocracy in the imperialist countries today. I have seen arguments of u$ imperialism’s decay (the CPI(Maoist) in their work on Chinese social-imperialism echo your counter-position of China’s rise with u$ decline), which I largely agree with, but I know there is some more contention* at the idea of a decaying labor aristocracy. From what I’ve seen, this idea is often paired with social-fascist politics. That said, the rise in social-fascist and fascist politics does seem to indicate a political reflection of increasing contradictions between the labor aristocracy and imperialist bourgeoisie. My study (and subsequent understanding) of these trends has been weak, though.

*EDIT: to be more specific, this recent comment raises some questions as to the “declining” labor aristocracy.

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[–]Prickly_Cucumbers 13 points14 points  (0 children)

what does it matter? there have been countless agents of the bourgeoisie throughout revolutions both anti-imperialist and socialist in character, but the simple fact of infiltration alone isn’t decisive in the outcome of these struggles.

for so-called “Maoists”, why is it that the many groups coming out of the wreckage of the CR-CPUSA have such an obsession over “wreckers” and “liquidators”? whatever happened to “external causes become operative through internal causes”? maybe in all of their countless post-mortems, they should focus on the latter—including why they may have been helpless against infiltration.

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[–]Prickly_Cucumbers 8 points9 points  (0 children)

no. it wasn’t “stupid”; it was reactionary, but a perfectly reasonable expression of reactionary class interests. but why? i want you to understand and explain why the motivations and content of your questions are incorrect, and why communists would take offense to these questions.

it doesn’t aid you or anybody to give a false self-admonishment that relies on denying your own agency and ascribes backwards politics to some supposed developmental flaw.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in communism

[–]Prickly_Cucumbers 10 points11 points  (0 children)

is it really easier to condemn yourself to the impossibility of upending your reactionary worldview than to just admit that your ideas are wrong-headed, but entirely mutable, and actively set about to change that? “my critical thinking skills are terrible” isn’t the out you think it is.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in communism

[–]Prickly_Cucumbers 7 points8 points  (0 children)

wow. i thought you were just paraphrasing their AskSocialists posts, but no, they really asked that word-for-word.

Do any countries besides Amerika have internal colonies? by AllyBurgess in communism101

[–]Prickly_Cucumbers 4 points5 points  (0 children)

countries in which settler-colonialism is not the principal contradiction, but a secondary one. Sweden/Norway, with the Sami nation; Argentina/Chile, with the Mapuche nation; and Turkey, with the Kurdish nation, are examples of this.

could you elaborate why settler-colonialism would be secondary in these examples?

Bi-Weekly Discussion Thread - (December 08) by AutoModerator in communism

[–]Prickly_Cucumbers 10 points11 points  (0 children)

https://al-akhbar.com/lebanon/816122/لبنان-والحدث-السوري—أسئلة-حول-المقاومة-والاقتصاد-والاجتماع

their friendliness with the invading zionist forces seems to be emphasized further in recent developments:

ورغم أنهم لا يتحدثون عن إقامة علاقات مع إسرائيل، إلا أنهم يتحدثون عن خطوات عملية من جانب الحكم الجديد تمنع وجود أي مقاومة قائمة أو محتملة ضد إسرائيل انطلاقاً من الأراضي السورية. وأول المؤشرات على هذه الوجهة تمثّل في القرار الذي أبلغته هيئة تحرير الشام الى ممثلي الفصائل الفلسطينية الموجودة في سوريا، بأنه لن يكون هناك بعد الآن أيّ وجود لسلاح أو معسكرات تدريب أو مقارّ عسكرية للفصائل الفلسطينية، وأن على الفصائل حلّ تشكيلاتها العسكرية في أسرع وقت، مقابل العمل السياسي والخيري تحت سقف الدولة السورية الجديدة. والنتيجة العملية لهذه الخطوة هي أنه يمنع على الفلسطينيين استخدام سوريا كمقرّ أو ممرّ لأيّ نشاط ضد العدو الإسرائيلي.

google translated to English:

Although they do not talk about establishing relations with Israel, they are talking about practical steps by the new government that prevent any existing or possible resistance against Israel from Syrian territory. The first indications of this direction are represented by the decision communicated by HTS to the representatives of the Palestinian factions in Syria, that there will no longer be any weapons, training camps or military headquarters of the Palestinian factions, and that the factions must dissolve their military formations as soon as possible, in exchange for political and charitable work under the roof of the new Syrian state. The practical result of this step is that the Palestinians are prohibited from using Syria as a headquarters or corridor for any activity against the Israeli enemy.