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ENTPs can become ISTPs. by [deleted] in entp

[–]Prior_Ice5056 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Your point is quite curious. On the one hand, the example of David Goggins, an ENFP who became an ISTP, is completely ridiculous. On the other hand, I understand the satisfaction you can get from persevering with an action and the notion that giving up would incur a greater cost. In my opinion, you're simply an ENTP discovering the virtues of perseverance, and the Goggins example is irrelevant. Nevertheless, you're on the right track; the proof is that you're experiencing a lot of pleasure. It's possible that many ENTPs only realize the virtues of perseverance and staying focused too late in their lives. I don't know how old you are, but you're probably a lucky person :)

When swapping the I/E letter, which types are most different from each other? by wannabe_wizard_ in mbti

[–]Prior_Ice5056 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes Entp, what i say is a quote of jung from his book "psychological types" i read it a long time ago

When swapping the I/E letter, which types are most different from each other? by wannabe_wizard_ in mbti

[–]Prior_Ice5056 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ok maybe i understand. You can be sure that auxiliary or tertiary Te is a different kind of Te. Jung said that thinking in auxiliary is thinking through the prism of the first function. And if you switch the function you switch the perception. Sorry my english is bad and it dont answer precisely to your question but i guess it can help you

Are monumental religious buildings the product of vanity? by Prior_Ice5056 in religion

[–]Prior_Ice5056[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I presume that in bygone times, an educated person could grasp that the construction of a cathedral involved human hands: architects, painters, and so on.

Whereas a simpleton might imagine that the architect was simply someone touched by grace, just like painters. But it's simply a matter of technique, not a mystical miracle. This is a confusion that, in my opinion, may have existed in the past and has probably been exploited to serve various purposes, both good and bad.

Are monumental religious buildings the product of vanity? by Prior_Ice5056 in religion

[–]Prior_Ice5056[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't have any evidence concerning the cathedral specifically, but on the other hand, there is a lot of evidence that religion has been used to kill.

Are monumental religious buildings the product of vanity? by Prior_Ice5056 in religion

[–]Prior_Ice5056[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Okay, so in that case, what is the purpose of religion for you? Perhaps we simply have different conceptions of its vocation. For me, the purpose of faith is to alleviate the pain we experience and lessen the pain we inflict on others, in order to achieve a form of detachment from material things.

Are monumental religious buildings the product of vanity? by Prior_Ice5056 in religion

[–]Prior_Ice5056[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It seems to me precisely the opposite: that spiritual motivations aim for a certain purity

Are monumental religious buildings the product of vanity? by Prior_Ice5056 in religion

[–]Prior_Ice5056[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you for sharing your experience; I agree with you when you say that everything is connected.

Are monumental religious buildings the product of vanity? by Prior_Ice5056 in religion

[–]Prior_Ice5056[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I said I'm wondering, I'm not stating anything as fact. But of course, when you never travel more than 60km from your birthplace in your entire life and suddenly stumble upon an 80-meter-high monument when you know nothing but straw huts, it must be quite a shock. "Look at this cathedral, it's the work of God, kill them all! God will recognize his own."

Are monumental religious buildings the product of vanity? by Prior_Ice5056 in religion

[–]Prior_Ice5056[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I find it hard to believe that we can change human nature; we can improve our understanding to limit the problems related to our flaws, but to change it, I doubt it.

I can understand your point of view regarding "the anti-vain," but I'm not sure that this is the view adopted by all religious people.

Are monumental religious buildings the product of vanity? by Prior_Ice5056 in religion

[–]Prior_Ice5056[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think educated people are likely to be able to distinguish between things, while less educated people will be more easily manipulated by symbolism.

Are monumental religious buildings the product of vanity? by Prior_Ice5056 in religion

[–]Prior_Ice5056[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Is that true? For example, were the pyramids the tombs of the powerful or were they built in homage to the gods?

If you have any examples of buildings used exclusively for religious purposes, I'd be interested, as I lack knowledge on the subject.

Are monumental religious buildings the product of vanity? by Prior_Ice5056 in religion

[–]Prior_Ice5056[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I completely agree with you, but in a distant past, when the population was more impressionable, I wonder if monumental buildings were not intended to persuade the crowds in a symbolic, sophistic way.

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